Analysis 2019 List Management Discussion II

[Mezzoculo]

Still think we should look at punting our 2019 1st for someone else's 2020 1st. Would sync with the Club's messaging that we need mature top end talent rather than *more* quality kids.

 

[BigBreakfast]

Still a little surprised we moved on Kerr, given Lobbe left and Phillips was setting himself to go.
I know Kerr isn't a ruckman, but without too many talls sat up forward in the NB's, his role becomes a little more pronounced.

So at this stage, we don't have a genuine, CFC-listed, developing KPF, to front up at the Northern Blues......which is odd and leads me to think, we have someone in mind. Wylie Buzza maybe?

De Koning will have plenty of time developing his ruck craft next year with only three ruck-men on the books. This is a good thing.....but we must have some talls in play unless we've deemed BSilvagni to play a forward role in 2020 and onwards. We'll see.

Nah. Kreuz will play all games, Pittonet will ruck all games in the reggies and won the List on and TDK will thrive as the primary target and kick 60 goals.

Cas will support TDK because Charlie and Harry will kick 60 goals each as they run riot in 22 games and finals in 2020.

 

[Bamboo Harvester]

Nah. Kreuz will play all games, Pittonet will ruck all games in the reggies and won the List on and TDK will thrive as the primary target and kick 60 goals.

Cas will support TDK because Charlie and Harry will kick 60 goals each as they run riot in 22 games and finals in 2020.

pfffft....you sound very pessimistic about our prospects

You've raised a good point though....post Krooz, Pittonet may become our bash and crash ruckman in the mould of Nankervis....TDK becomes the ruck/forward option.

 

[BigBreakfast]

Everything works out in the end.

 

[NewDarkNavyBlues]

not sure we need a club court jester...........

One of the more ludicrous BogFooty suggestions I've seen. While we're at it, let's sign Fev back up because he loves a beer and a night out.

 

[murphster]

Just for the sake of the situation with Jack Newnes, I reckon if you guys give him the chance to play at Half back rotating onto the wing he can be really valuable for you. Up until the last two years Jack was probably one of our most consistant performers constantly getting over 20 disposals per game quite comfortably. Unfortunately in his wisdom Allan Richardson decidedi that as his form dropped a little bit instead of dropping him back and allowing him to get some form he continued to play him, but as a forward. Whilst there were games where he played ok he never really found form as a forward. unfortunately for him he was never sent back to HB where he played his best football. Richo persisted with the stupid wing/HF rotation. Its no surprise that his form continued to slump and he was never able to get back to his 2017 form. So in short if you play him at half back he will give you some serious gut running and penetration inaddition he is a great example to the younger guys

Yeah your not wrong his stats for 16-17 are really good and then get patchy in 18 & 19 good to know thanks for the heads up.

 

[Doro]

I'm interested in how many purely inside mids people see us needing in the best 22. For mine it's just Cripps with a balance of support from inside/out and outside mids for balance. Grunt has become less important than speed on current trends.

 

[JustaBattler]

I'm interested in how many purely inside mids people see us needing in the best 22. For mine it's just Cripps with a balance of support from inside/out and outside mids for balance. Grunt has become less important than speed on current trends.

How many A grade extractors do you think we need? How many weeks lost to injury or soreness per year from each - what does this mean in terms of depth? How do you match up against sides who have 2-3 strong bodied mids as on ballers? etc etc etc

 

[swuzzlebubble]

Number of 30+ players on list:

Hawthorn	10​
Collingwood	8​
Adelaide	7​
Sydney	7​
Carlton	5​
West Coast	5​
Western Bulldogs	5​
Brisbane	4​
Essendon	4​
Geelong	4​
GWS Giants	4​
North Melbourne	4​
Port Adelaide	4​
Richmond	4​
St Kilda	4​
Fremantle	3​
Gold Coast	3​
Melbourne	3​
	​

Number of 26-29 year olds

Geelong	15​
North Melbourne	15​
Richmond	14​
Collingwood	13​
West Coast	13​
Essendon	13​
Port Adelaide	13​
Fremantle	13​
Adelaide	12​
GWS Giants	12​
Hawthorn	10​
St Kilda	10​
Gold Coast	10​
Melbourne	10​
Sydney	9​
Brisbane	9​
Western Bulldogs	8​
Carlton	7​

18-21 year old bracket.

Carlton	20​
Gold Coast	19​
Sydney	19​
Geelong	18​
Port Adelaide	18​
Fremantle	18​
Brisbane	18​
Hawthorn	17​
North Melbourne	16​
GWS Giants	16​
Richmond	15​
West Coast	15​
Collingwood	13​
Western Bulldogs	13​
Essendon	12​
Adelaide	12​
St Kilda	10​
Melbourne	10​

22 to 25 year olds

St Kilda	24​
Melbourne	24​
Western Bulldogs	19​
Essendon	18​
Gold Coast	16​
Carlton	15​
Brisbane	15​
Sydney	14​
GWS Giants	14​
Collingwood	13​
Adelaide	13​
Richmond	13​
West Coast	12​
Port Adelaide	12​
Fremantle	12​
North Melbourne	11​
Hawthorn	10​
Geelong	9​

Source: thread on Geelong bf board

 

[crippamagic33]

I believe we clean up if we get wild as just a cat b rookie.


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[Doro]

How many A grade extractors do you think we need? How many weeks lost to injury or soreness per year from each - what does this mean in terms of depth? How do you match up against sides who have 2-3 strong bodied mids as on ballers? etc etc etc

You can have a strong bodied extractor with leg speed. When 50% of a match is spent with the opposition having the footy it's important to minimise the hurt factor. One purely inside mid is enough.

 

[thylacine60]

Nah. Kreuz will play all games, Pittonet will ruck all games in the reggies and won the List on and TDK will thrive as the primary target and kick 60 goals.

Cas will support TDK because Charlie and Harry will kick 60 goals each as they run riot in 22 games and finals in 2020.

sticky

 

[Foucault1989]

Number of 30+ players on list:

Hawthorn	10​
Collingwood	8​
Adelaide	7​
Sydney	7​
Carlton	5​
West Coast	5​
Western Bulldogs	5​
Brisbane	4​
Essendon	4​
Geelong	4​
GWS Giants	4​
North Melbourne	4​
Port Adelaide	4​
Richmond	4​
St Kilda	4​
Fremantle	3​
Gold Coast	3​
Melbourne	3​
	​

Number of 26-29 year olds

Geelong	15​
North Melbourne	15​
Richmond	14​
Collingwood	13​
West Coast	13​
Essendon	13​
Port Adelaide	13​
Fremantle	13​
Adelaide	12​
GWS Giants	12​
Hawthorn	10​
St Kilda	10​
Gold Coast	10​
Melbourne	10​
Sydney	9​
Brisbane	9​
Western Bulldogs	8​
Carlton	7​

18-21 year old bracket.

Carlton	20​
Gold Coast	19​
Sydney	19​
Geelong	18​
Port Adelaide	18​
Fremantle	18​
Brisbane	18​
Hawthorn	17​
North Melbourne	16​
GWS Giants	16​
Richmond	15​
West Coast	15​
Collingwood	13​
Western Bulldogs	13​
Essendon	12​
Adelaide	12​
St Kilda	10​
Melbourne	10​

22 to 25 year olds

St Kilda	24​
Melbourne	24​
Western Bulldogs	19​
Essendon	18​
Gold Coast	16​
Carlton	15​
Brisbane	15​
Sydney	14​
GWS Giants	14​
Collingwood	13​
Adelaide	13​
Richmond	13​
West Coast	12​
Port Adelaide	12​
Fremantle	12​
North Melbourne	11​
Hawthorn	10​
Geelong	9​

Source: thread on Geelong bf board

This provides great context. Our list is 2-3 years away from being at the beginning of our period where we SHOULD experience sustained success. If you can get 15 - 20 best 22 players in that 24-28 range which we will have you are setup. Then it becomes a matter of topping up with clever trades for role players and the occasional big fish while getting in 2-3 talented kids per year through the draft. This is why those so critical of SOS should sit down and wait until we actually mature. We won't be able to judge SOS until 2023.

 

[swuzzlebubble]

This provides great context. Our list is 2-3 years away from being at the beginning of our period where we SHOULD experience sustained success. If you can get 15 - 20 best 22 players in that 24-28 range which we will have you are setup. Then it becomes a matter of topping up with clever trades for role players and the occasional big fish while getting in 2-3 talented kids per year through the draft. This is why those so critical of SOS should sit down and wait until we actually mature. We won't be able to judge SOS until 2023.

Olly Wines 26 next year. Just saying.

 

[Coona Blues]

Number of 30+ players on list:

Hawthorn	10​
Collingwood	8​
Adelaide	7​
Sydney	7​
Carlton	5​
West Coast	5​
Western Bulldogs	5​
Brisbane	4​
Essendon	4​
Geelong	4​
GWS Giants	4​
North Melbourne	4​
Port Adelaide	4​
Richmond	4​
St Kilda	4​
Fremantle	3​
Gold Coast	3​
Melbourne	3​
	​

Number of 26-29 year olds

Geelong	15​
North Melbourne	15​
Richmond	14​
Collingwood	13​
West Coast	13​
Essendon	13​
Port Adelaide	13​
Fremantle	13​
Adelaide	12​
GWS Giants	12​
Hawthorn	10​
St Kilda	10​
Gold Coast	10​
Melbourne	10​
Sydney	9​
Brisbane	9​
Western Bulldogs	8​
Carlton	7​

18-21 year old bracket.

Carlton	20​
Gold Coast	19​
Sydney	19​
Geelong	18​
Port Adelaide	18​
Fremantle	18​
Brisbane	18​
Hawthorn	17​
North Melbourne	16​
GWS Giants	16​
Richmond	15​
West Coast	15​
Collingwood	13​
Western Bulldogs	13​
Essendon	12​
Adelaide	12​
St Kilda	10​
Melbourne	10​

22 to 25 year olds

St Kilda	24​
Melbourne	24​
Western Bulldogs	19​
Essendon	18​
Gold Coast	16​
Carlton	15​
Brisbane	15​
Sydney	14​
GWS Giants	14​
Collingwood	13​
Adelaide	13​
Richmond	13​
West Coast	12​
Port Adelaide	12​
Fremantle	12​
North Melbourne	11​
Hawthorn	10​
Geelong	9​

Source: thread on Geelong bf board

Tell them to check their figures. Quick calculation shows 47 players. Clearly taken on last year inclusive of Bugg and Pickett. Has been a few changes and more to come.

 

[JustaBattler]

You can have a strong bodied extractor with leg speed. When 50% of a match is spent with the opposition having the footy it's important to minimise the hurt factor. One purely inside mid is enough.

Cripps doesn't miss tackles - a lot of so called faster players at Carlton make a profession out of it - poor argument anyway. I asked you how many weeks of injury to the lone genuine A grade mid we have are you prepared to risk? How many years off his playing days are you prepared to write off because he has done all the work? How much risk are you prepared to take regarding him leaving because he is tired of doing all the heavy lifting?

 

[AFLEXPERT]

I believe we clean up if we get wild as just a cat b rookie.


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I rated cameron wild one of the best kids in nab league earlier in the season. If we manage to pick up him as Cat B. It would be a steal. Would provide the mongrel we need to compliment Cripps/Murphy etc. hopefully the attention stays off him and we manage to rookie him.

 

[AFLEXPERT]

If we manage to grab Martin. Then add newnes. 3 good draft selections. Add wild Cat B rookie. Going to be scary what this side can be in the next few seasons.

 

[ferrisb]

not sure we need a club court jester...........

*ferrisb walks away, deflated.....*

 

[Doro]

Cripps doesn't miss tackles - a lot of so called faster players at Carlton make a profession out of it - poor argument anyway. I asked you how many weeks of injury to the lone genuine A grade mid we have are you prepared to risk? How many years off his playing days are you prepared to write off because he has done all the work? How much risk are you prepared to take regarding him leaving because he is tired of doing all the heavy lifting?

I'm not saying we don't get Cripps help, we get him help with players possessing enough leg speed to spread and run defensively as well. You worry too much about Cripps, he'll be happiest in a winning team - can't protect him from himself.

 

[JustaBattler]

I'm not saying we don't get Cripps help, we get him help with players possessing enough leg speed to spread and run defensively as well. You worry too much about Cripps, he'll be happiest in a winning team - can't protect him from himself.

I'm not worried about Cripps at all - I'm worried about the abundance of skinny runts who are so below AFL grade as far as midfield play goes that they were all shown up as incompetents by a first year player last year.

 

[Doro]

I'm not worried about Cripps at all - I'm worried about the abundance of skinny runts who are so below AFL grade as far as midfield play goes that they were all shown up as incompetents by a first year player last year.

Walsh was actually the skinniest runt, just knows how to football. Leg speed and ability to win contested footy don't need to be separate things was the point I was making.

 

[JustaBattler]

Walsh was actually the skinniest runt, just knows how to football. Leg speed and ability to win contested footy don't need to be separate things was the point I was making.

Thanks for clearing it all up for me - we don't need on ballers we need fast runners who can win contested ball - I'm cool with that - bring 'em on.

 

[Doro]

Thanks for clearing it all up for me - we don't need on ballers we need fast runners who can win contested ball - I'm cool with that - bring 'em on.

No worries, glad you got there in the end.

 

[Benaly28]

We can talk about as many players from this years upcoming draft however THE most important player next year will be Doc and hopefully his successful come back.