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Because Polec isn't training near Wingard either
Doctor Feel
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90% of our squad ran PBs at the start of the pre-season. This comes off the back of 80% running PBs last pre-season. This means way less than you think it does.
Personally I can take only so much froth n bubble.
It rings alarm bells to me coz it says either your not doing your prep/homework for member presentations
or your not working hard enough at your actual job.
The 3rd option is...... your out of your depth.
I'd be more impressed with 90% of squad putting on a decent amount muscle or increasing their lifts so we don't look like boys pushed aside by men every bloody season, multiple times a season.
Macca19
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The amount of times we clear the ball is the main issue. The way we clear it is also a bit of an issue.
Our inability to get our hands on the ball at key times is a major problem. Almost all the devastating losses we've had over the last few years has been due to us either not being able to win the critical clearance at key moments in games, or our midfield just not being in the game at all (first half of the WC final).
Our clearance numbers are skewed because we have more stoppages than any other side
I disagree.
I think our clearances have been fine. Our ability to convert a clearance to a score has been abysmal.
Yes the other team have gotten clearances at crucial times and scored which has made it stand out.
I would bet that we have gotten just as many crucial clearances but just not converted them into scores so they dont stand out.
So many of those close games we had ample clearances and ample opportunities to score wasted and ample time in forward half for no benefit before the crucial oppo clearance and score.
Yes our quality of movement from clearance can improve but I think that will be less crucial with 6-6-6 anyway as more teams look to quick kick to the even numbers.
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Over the last 2 seasons we've had a positive centre clearance differential to our opponents over the course of the season. Last year we were second only to Melbourne in this area.
Most of our inside mids hoof the ball 30m straight up in the air though, so I guess it doesn't really matter.
It would be great to see a breakdown of our scores from centre clearances somewhere, but I don't know if those stats are freely available online anywhere.
Most of our inside mids hoof the ball 30m straight up in the air though, so I guess it doesn't really matter.
It would be great to see a breakdown of our scores from centre clearances somewhere, but I don't know if those stats are freely available online anywhere.
We have always run hardery for longery with no impactery.
Doctor Feel
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Now we will kickery longery.
Nah, our clearances have sucked. Hopefully two rucks helps with that. I agree our clearances have been shit as well (that has been alluded to of trying to have us doing less hack kicks out of the middle). Hopefully that entails more than saying 'don't do this', as I doubt our midfielders planned to bang it on the boot and pray and hope. We have a combination of poor kickers and a midfield group that functions (hopefully functioned in the past sense) with the whole as less than the sum of it's parts, with ensuring whoever won the ball had time and space to hit up an option cleanly.
I think the midfielders who are there can improve (Ebert's out to the forward line, new ruck combo, Boak back maybe, SPP firing, Drew? and surely Rockliff can be better than 2018) but that's alot of if, buts and maybes and even if everyone pulls their finger out we're still going to be reasonably far off the best midfields in the competition.
I think (and hope) Rozee and Butters should go some way to addressing poise and class in clearances over the course of their career.
This year though - we need a strategy that maximises our team strengths (team defence & positioning, now with more ball movement) and covers our weaknesses (midfield, scoring efficiency). From what has been reported from the members convention it sounds like we'll be focusing on creating turnovers through our more agressive positioning. I hope that doesn't mean conceding the midfield battle, but hopefully an understanding that we're probably not going to match it with the midfield heavy sides of the competition in 2019 and we set up accordingly.
Hopefully our draftees come along quickly and we have a good to great midfield in the next few years.
I think (and hope) Rozee and Butters should go some way to addressing poise and class in clearances over the course of their career.
This year though - we need a strategy that maximises our team strengths (team defence & positioning, now with more ball movement) and covers our weaknesses (midfield, scoring efficiency). From what has been reported from the members convention it sounds like we'll be focusing on creating turnovers through our more agressive positioning. I hope that doesn't mean conceding the midfield battle, but hopefully an understanding that we're probably not going to match it with the midfield heavy sides of the competition in 2019 and we set up accordingly.
Hopefully our draftees come along quickly and we have a good to great midfield in the next few years.
Having listened to Monty, I wondered whether he's a student of Guardiola's philosophies? While Soccer is clearly not Australian Rules Football, they are both invasion games and have become more closely aligned in their philosophies since both games have become more professional.
Guardiola talks significantly about front-half football, intercepting the ball as high up the pitch as possible and uses how little his players run as an indicator of success. For him, it's about smart running, or running to the right position as his team attacks to be both an attacking option AND in the best possible defensive position if the ball is turned over. He also mentions that if the running is done right, meaning to the right positions at the right times, his teams will be fresher late in games and run over the opposition because they've done less work.
I know, for a fact, our crosstown rivals work on the concept of "holding their lane" as they run offensively, so if a turnover occurs, they are already well-spaced to counter a turnover.
I will be watching with interest, because Monty is right, the modern game now has 18 attackers when you have the ball and 18 defenders when you don't.
Macca19
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People forget we were an outstanding defensive unit in 2017. We were a front half football team that year. Our ability to keep the ball in our forward 75m was probably unrivaled across the AFL. Ever. For some reason we seemed to move away from those structures that made us so defensively tight for so much of 2017.
So going back to being a front half football team, or looking to turn it over as high up the ground as possible is nothing new for us, it would be a welcome return.
So going back to being a front half football team, or looking to turn it over as high up the ground as possible is nothing new for us, it would be a welcome return.
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Last year at the convention they said that we were a front half football team. It was Lade’s shit coaching that was the problem. We’ve always done better with a defensive coach in the forward line.
And we aren’t replicating Guardiola. His teams are based around retaining possession and limiting the amount of time a team is in the defensive phase. Bassett was reading about Guardiola last year - that’s why we played that slow and boring style. That’s why we’d have players standing around doing nothing in attacking phases because they wanted to keep their spacing. To play that style you need technically adapt players who can pass with precision. I said that it was like someone read his book but didn’t understand why it was done.
No, there was a distinct reason why we ripped off Liverpool’s ad. We are replicating Jürgen Klopp. I said awhile ago - back at the end of 2017 - that Klopp’s BVB was the style to replicate, not Guardiola’s Barcelona. Klopp is an advocate of gengenpressing (counter-pressing)...all his teams have done it.
"[This style of football is] based on everybody pushing forward with or without the ball and exerting aggressive high pressure after ball losses and, in the process, making it difficult for opponents to counterattack with clarity," reads the UEFA report.
"Liverpool’s modus operandi provided a prime example of effective, high-intensity, collective pressing by a compact block."
"Also, on the counterattack, they’re extremely fast – they have fast individual dribblers. They’re all happy to run in behind without the ball and not always receive it to feet. I think Liverpool summed up a lot of modern-day trends."
His philosophy is also that the defenders have to provide options (like Guardiola), and he hates boring football.
Now, doesn’t that sound more like what we are trying to do with the emphasis on speed and running? That’s why I know guys like Duursma will be getting games early and often. We need those fast players to keep defenders on their heels and create space for our defenders. But we also want a few tall targets that we can kick long to if our opponents drop back, and then rush forward to create pressure if the tall doesn’t mark it.
This isAnfield Alberton 
And we aren’t replicating Guardiola. His teams are based around retaining possession and limiting the amount of time a team is in the defensive phase. Bassett was reading about Guardiola last year - that’s why we played that slow and boring style. That’s why we’d have players standing around doing nothing in attacking phases because they wanted to keep their spacing. To play that style you need technically adapt players who can pass with precision. I said that it was like someone read his book but didn’t understand why it was done.
No, there was a distinct reason why we ripped off Liverpool’s ad. We are replicating Jürgen Klopp. I said awhile ago - back at the end of 2017 - that Klopp’s BVB was the style to replicate, not Guardiola’s Barcelona. Klopp is an advocate of gengenpressing (counter-pressing)...all his teams have done it.
"[This style of football is] based on everybody pushing forward with or without the ball and exerting aggressive high pressure after ball losses and, in the process, making it difficult for opponents to counterattack with clarity," reads the UEFA report.
"Liverpool’s modus operandi provided a prime example of effective, high-intensity, collective pressing by a compact block."
"Also, on the counterattack, they’re extremely fast – they have fast individual dribblers. They’re all happy to run in behind without the ball and not always receive it to feet. I think Liverpool summed up a lot of modern-day trends."
His philosophy is also that the defenders have to provide options (like Guardiola), and he hates boring football.
Now, doesn’t that sound more like what we are trying to do with the emphasis on speed and running? That’s why I know guys like Duursma will be getting games early and often. We need those fast players to keep defenders on their heels and create space for our defenders. But we also want a few tall targets that we can kick long to if our opponents drop back, and then rush forward to create pressure if the tall doesn’t mark it.
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TheBrownDog
Careful Janus, are you trying to get chiwigi, Eddie Dingle and manureid to cancel their memberships?
manureid
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So we are aiming for a whinging, thieving, choking bastards gamestyle?
Eddie Dingle
Moving chairs
I have just been put on hold by the PAFC.
I am demanding answers to the lunacy posted above.
Eddie Dingle
Moving chairs
Last year at the convention they said that we were a front half football team. It was Lade’s shit coaching that was the problem. We’ve always done better with a defensive coach in the forward line.
And we aren’t replicating Guardiola. His teams are based around retaining possession and limiting the amount of time a team is in the defensive phase. Bassett was reading about Guardiola last year - that’s why we played that slow and boring style. That’s why we’d have players standing around doing nothing in attacking phases because they wanted to keep their spacing. To play that style you need technically adapt players who can pass with precision. I said that it was like someone read his book but didn’t understand why it was done.
No, there was a distinct reason why we ripped off Liverpool’s ad. We are replicating Jürgen Klopp. I said awhile ago - back at the end of 2017 - that Klopp’s BVB was the style to replicate, not Guardiola’s Barcelona. Klopp is an advocate of gengenpressing (counter-pressing)...all his teams have done it.
"[This style of football is] based on everybody pushing forward with or without the ball and exerting aggressive high pressure after ball losses and, in the process, making it difficult for opponents to counterattack with clarity," reads the UEFA report.
"Liverpool’s modus operandi provided a prime example of effective, high-intensity, collective pressing by a compact block."
"Also, on the counterattack, they’re extremely fast – they have fast individual dribblers. They’re all happy to run in behind without the ball and not always receive it to feet. I think Liverpool summed up a lot of modern-day trends."
His philosophy is also that the defenders have to provide options (like Guardiola), and he hates boring football.
Now, doesn’t that sound more like what we are trying to do with the emphasis on speed and running? That’s why I know guys like Duursma will be getting games early and often. We need those fast players to keep defenders on their heels and create space for our defenders. But we also want a few tall targets that we can kick long to if our opponents drop back, and then rush forward to create pressure if the tall doesn’t mark it.
This isAnfieldAlberton
You do know Liverpool haven't won anything with that game plan?
