2019 Members Convention

[Janus]

You do know Liverpool haven't won anything with that game plan?

Don’t care about Liverpool. It’s more about Klopp - who won the Bundesliga with Borussia Dortmund in 2010/11 with the youngest squad to do so, then went back to back in 2011/12, winning 81 points...the greatest in Bundesliga history. Finshed 2012/13 and 2013/14 in second.

He’s a great coach.

 

[manureid]

Don’t care about Liverpool.

Just leave it at that in future.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

Don’t care about Liverpool. It’s more about Klopp - who won the Bundesliga with Borussia Dortmund in 2010/11 with the youngest squad to do so, then went back to back in 2011/12, winning 81 points...the greatest in Bundesliga history. Finshed 2012/13 and 2013/14 in second.

He’s a great coach.

I could win the Bundesliga.

Old bacon face won multiple titles in the toughest league in the world with kids in the 90’s. Should we copy him too?

 

[Janus]

I could win the Bundesliga.

Old bacon face won multiple titles in the toughest league in the world with kids in the 90’s. Should we copy him too?

You know Klopp’s style is pretty similar to Guardiola’s, right? It’s just that Guardiola advocates possession of the football as a priority and uses counter-pressing to disrupt opposition attacks and get the ball back while still in attacking formation, whereas Klopp advocates counter-pressing to generate the attack. One advocates structure, the other advocates fluidity.

We don’t have the skills to play the Guardiola way yet, so in the meantime, we play Klopp’s way. There’s a reason why Manchester City and Liverpool are first and second in the Premier League.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

You know Klopp’s style is pretty similar to Guardiola’s, right? It’s just that Guardiola advocates possession of the football as a priority and uses counter-pressing to disrupt opposition attacks and get the ball back while still in attacking formation, whereas Klopp advocates counter-pressing to generate the attack. One advocates structure, the other advocates fluidity.

We don’t have the skills to play the Guardiola way yet, so in the meantime, we play Klopp’s way. There’s a reason why Manchester City and Liverpool are first and second in the Premier League.

Klopp’s Liverpool play beautiful football.

Can you show me where it has stood up under intense pressure say like an AFL final.

The FA Cup and League Cup knock out systems would be good examples.

 

[ExpectToWin]

Last year at the convention they said that we were a front half football team. It was Lade’s shit coaching that was the problem. We’ve always done better with a defensive coach in the forward line.

And we aren’t replicating Guardiola. His teams are based around retaining possession and limiting the amount of time a team is in the defensive phase. Bassett was reading about Guardiola last year - that’s why we played that slow and boring style. That’s why we’d have players standing around doing nothing in attacking phases because they wanted to keep their spacing. To play that style you need technically adapt players who can pass with precision. I said that it was like someone read his book but didn’t understand why it was done.

No, there was a distinct reason why we ripped off Liverpool’s ad. We are replicating Jürgen Klopp. I said awhile ago - back at the end of 2017 - that Klopp’s BVB was the style to replicate, not Guardiola’s Barcelona. Klopp is an advocate of gengenpressing (counter-pressing)...all his teams have done it.

"[This style of football is] based on everybody pushing forward with or without the ball and exerting aggressive high pressure after ball losses and, in the process, making it difficult for opponents to counterattack with clarity," reads the UEFA report.

"Liverpool’s modus operandi is taking all of Southampton's top players"

"Also, on the counterattack, they’re extremely fast – they have fast individual dribblers. They’re all happy to run in behind without the ball and not always receive it to feet. I think Liverpool summed up a lot of modern-day trends."

His philosophy is also that the defenders have to provide options (like Guardiola), and he hates boring football.

Now, doesn’t that sound more like what we are trying to do with the emphasis on speed and running? That’s why I know guys like Duursma will be getting games early and often. We need those fast players to keep defenders on their heels and create space for our defenders. But we also want a few tall targets that we can kick long to if our opponents drop back, and then rush forward to create pressure if the tall doesn’t mark it.

This is Anfield Alberton

fixed that for you

 

[Janus]

Klopp’s Liverpool play beautiful football.

Can you show me where it has stood up under intense pressure say like an AFL final.

The FA Cup and League Cup knock out systems would be good examples.

The reason it would work here is because the pressure in a football match is relentless, whereas a mark or a free kick in AFL relieves the pressure.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

The reason it would work here is because the pressure in a football match is relentless, whereas a mark or a free kick in AFL relieves the pressure.

A throw in or free kick in soccer doesn’t relieve pressure?

 

[Janus]

A throw in or free kick in soccer doesn’t relieve pressure?

Not without compromising defence, since it results in either a shot on goal in an attacking situation or a change of possession.

 

[Arsene Wenger]

Arsene Wenger is lost in this soccer tactical discussion. I just tell my French boys to play

 

[chiwigi]

The reason it would work here is because the pressure in a football match is relentless, whereas a mark or a free kick in AFL relieves the pressure.

No it's not, it's far from it.
AFL is far more relentless physically and mentally.

 

[Eddie Dingle]

No it's not, it's far from it.
AFL is far more relentless physically and mentally.

A stoppage in Aussie Rules relieves pressure but in soccer it doesn’t.

I gave up then.

I’m too tired for #januslogic

 

[Eddie Dingle]

Arsene Wenger is lost in this soccer tactical discussion. I just tell my French boys to play

Are you doing the third person thing or referring to the actual Arsene?

I’m confused.

 

[chiwigi]

A stoppage in Aussie Rules relieves pressure but in soccer it doesn’t.

I gave up then.

I’m too tired for #januslogic

Liverpool fans and their messiah complexes!

Is Brendon Rogers a football genius still?

 

[Eddie Dingle]

Liverpool fans and their messiah complexes!

Is Brendon Rogers a football genius still?

Not sure but Rafa is because Newcastle beat City.

 

[manureid]

Do Liverpool have a netball team? I bet they are good as well. Lets see what they are up to.

 

[Janus]

A stoppage in Aussie Rules relieves pressure but in soccer it doesn’t.

I gave up then.

I’m too tired for #januslogic

It's that sort of thinking that led to Bassett wanting to get the ball out of bounds and reset in defence. It doesn't work. It relieves pressure for team that doesn't have control of the ball by creating a neutral situation.

What's better - getting the ball back and finding space to an open teammate, thereby immediately returning to an attacking phase...or kicking the ball out of bounds/conceding a free kick and allowing both sides to reset, with the opposition being able to push their defenders up or back depending on where the ball is on the field?

There's only one time when you would actively want to create a stoppage - the Guardiola tactic of conceding a professional foul to stop teams attacking on the counter. And in that instance it works just fine.

 

[Arsene Wenger]

Are you doing the third person thing or referring to the actual Arsene?

I’m confused.

Lol - the real Arsene....

 

[PhoenixPower]

i must be lost - can someone direct me to where we are discussing AFL?

 

[Eddie Dingle]

i must be lost - can someone direct me to where we are discussing AFL?

Oh we’re discusssing AFL alright.

My dear friend Janus is trying to convince me that if we play footy like Liverpool play soccer we will win.

 

[Janus]

Oh we’re discusssing AFL alright.

My dear friend Janus is trying to convince me that if we play footy like Liverpool play soccer we will win.

Give it a chance before you say it won't work, okay?

 

[manureid]

I am a firm believer we should soccer the ball more.

 

[tribey]

Wingard hasn’t been a reliable match winner for 3 years. The real loss was 2015 Wingard. 2018 Wingard isn’t as big a loss as it looks.

Except when he saved the boffins’ arses against mighty Carlton, on a day when they held us scoreless for a quarter and genuinely looked like winning at 3QT in that fixture for the third time in a row.

And then was BOG with a 30-burger in the guts against the Saints the following week.

Alas, luck then got us as the fixture computer sent us to Perth to face peak-Pavlich 20 scrubs in fuschia.

 

[Steve Dore]

I always find posts about association football so relevant to Aussie Rules.

 

[Steve Dore]

Ford Fairlane mentioned in the intra club trial thread about the amount of classroom learning the players are subjected to. It was also mentioned at the Members' Convention that the club employs a part-time Learning Analyst to monitor and improve the way football learning is delivered.