We have moved way off topic here, but I see an interesting thread. We cannot win the flag with the same team, it must have some new faces somehow (injuries, form etc), and survive our 'handicap' which is our match committee performing badly in finals. I think it needs new faces with pace. I think the Jenkins/Krueger discussion is a bit moot, as both will probably play due to normal wear and tear, Hawkins suspensions, etc, and if they step up will stay in. The issue we face is having enough new faces step up to a high sustained level of performance ( like the Tigers have had in their flag years). If Clarke's elbow is OK, then he should be an automatic addition versus the finals last year. On top of that, who knows ? It just seems to me that the same group are not quite good enough to get over the top, so Clarke plus a few more need to come through. Add a few more injuries this pre-season compared to last year, and the next in line in our pipeline will be tested, which is good. How they go is critical, and lets hope our player development has done its job the last few years. We probably need a bit of luck with one getting through without too much VFL time - maybe Cooper ?