Opinion 2020 Draft picks 1/9/22/23/40/56/66/80 (2021 + Melb 2nd, 4th, Haw 4th)

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KEY DATES

Oct 30 – Nov 6: AFL Free Agency Period
November 4 – 12: AFL Trade Period
November 20: List Lodgment 1
November 27: List Lodgment 2
November 30: AFL Draft Nominations close
w/c December 7: NAB AFL Draft and Rookie Draft (exact date to be confirmed in due course)
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As God is my witness, finding anything useful on the AFL.com.au site is practically impossible, may whoever designed it burn in hell.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

And yet I think it’s odds on we take him


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Thilthorpe is simply not best available at Pick 1 or 2


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[Mego Red]

rubbish.
Kruezer was much stronger than Thilthorpe ever will be.
Kruezer was a warrior.

You can't be serious.

Thilthorpe is bigger NOW than Kreuzer was at any stage in his career.

I'm confused by who you've actually been watching.

 

[BunjiMac]

The thing about Thilthorpe that probably impresses me most is how quickly his mind works.

He always on the move and looking to play on quickly and bring others into play.

Very rare for a big man.

 

[Chase13]

The thing about Thilthorpe that probably impresses me most is how quickly his mind works.

He always on the move and looking to play on quickly and bring others into play.

Very rare for a big man.

I think we r hoping with groin issue RT may slide to 9. I think Hollands is our guy. Even cal doesn’t know who Adelaide will take with all his intel.

 

[fuic08]

My uninformed preference is ordered as:
Hollands
Thilthorpe
McDonald

I'm sure we'll be happy with any of the 3 though

 

[mattymac]

That’s because a club requires more than one good player....

And he plays a role that's has little impact in the modern game.

Same draft we took Dangerfield...

 

[Chase13]

My uninformed preference is ordered as:
Hollands
Thilthorpe
McDonald

I'm sure we'll be happy with any of the 3 though

Cal said Hollands best mid in draft and at 189 cm can still impact in forward line as well,

 

[Disco Fox]

Also listened to Kinnear on RTTD. He doubled down the Thilthorpe line too with an assertion that ruck options are rare throughout the AFL, both in the system and outside. He also stated that we are open to trading pick 1. He rates Tanner Bruhn as a top six pick. Kinnear speaks so well as well and you can see why he is in the upper echelon of what he does.

I am a glass half full human, but when I step back, everything I hear tells me we make things too easy for the other clubs as we constantly telegraph our position/strategy. This empties my Crows glass.

Yes, interesting that he didn't mention Will Phillips at all as an option. Also, he did say that for either Crows or North to trade their picks 1 & 2 it would have to be an exceptional deal. He also stated that they wouldn't trade their Pick 3, but then said "never say never", but once again , it would have to be a sensational offer - in other words the other club would have to be mugs(my interpretation!!).

 

[FAITH]

You can't be serious.

Thilthorpe is bigger NOW than Kreuzer was at any stage in his career.

I'm confused by who you've actually been watching.

Do we ever agree?

 

[Hodgy]

Also listened to Kinnear on RTTD. He doubled down the Thilthorpe line too with an assertion that ruck options are rare throughout the AFL, both in the system and outside. He also stated that we are open to trading pick 1. He rates Tanner Bruhn as a top six pick. Kinnear speaks so well as well and you can see why he is in the upper echelon of what he does.

I am a glass half full human, but when I step back, everything I hear tells me we make things too easy for the other clubs as we constantly telegraph our position/strategy. This empties my Crows glass.

It’s a good thing that he feels we are open to trading pick 1. That’s not making it easy, that’s doing our job.
The only club that would trade up to pick 1 would be if they are after MacDonald, so if we can trade down we leave the Holland’s/Tillthorpe or Holland’s DGB option open. If we want it to happen then we need to let clubs know we would do it if the price was right.

 

[Bearded Clam]

Well if you want a direct comparison then McDonald‘s Perth and Thillthorpe’s Westies both kicked 81 goals for the season while they were playing.
Thillthorpe 5 out of 81 - 6% of their goals.
McDonald 22 out of 81 - 27% of their goals

You forgot to mention that Thilthorpe had to play a lot of his games in the ruck for westies this year due to an injuries to their main ruck..

Then you forgot to add that Mcdonald’s team was dominant making it far easier for a forward to ply his trade.

You also forgot to mention that west adelaide were shite this year making it far harder for a forward playing in their side.

But i guess adding these points to your comment and stats provided kinda shoots a heap of holes in your arguement..

Knowing all this...

Maybe we should be asking why Mcdonald could only manage to kick 22 goals this season.. more than we should be asking why thilthorpe only kicked 5..

 

[Bearded Clam]

Again, the underrating of Thilthorpe on this board is astonishing - he is no slouch and has been right up there with Westies seniors from the reports coming from them

here is shifter's take

Kevin Sheehan reveals his top NAB AFL Draft Prospects: Tall Forwards

AFL Talent Ambassador Kevin Sheehan reveals his top NAB AFL Draft Prospects - Tall Forwards

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Riley Thilthorpe

West Adelaide FC -SANFL / Goodwood Saints
Height: 201cm
Weight: 100kg
07/07/02

Highly promising tall forward/ruckman who has already played 15 games at senior level for West Adelaide over the last two years after missing last year’s NAB AFL Under-18 National Championships due to injury. Star at Under-16 level in Championships in 2018 for South Australia winning All Australian honours and last year prominent in NAB AFL Futures match on AFL Grand Final day with his overhead marking, agility and repeat efforts all part of his arsenal. Shows some of the traits of Richmond’s Tom Lynch with his presence as a marking target up forward.

I also find it bewildering that some here are talking about him being a ruck/forward as if its a bad thing!..

Hes a forward that can also competently ruck and did so against grown men in the SANFL this year..

And the one thing our forward line has been dearly missing in recent times is a contested marking bull... and Thilthorpe has this written all over him.

Im not saying he’s better than Mcdonald.. i just think they are both equally bloody great and both bring different traits to their game..

One had a better season but he also played in a far stronger side.. the other played for a shit side and still performed well..

One is a crows supporter and a South Aussie through and through and pretty much guaranteed to spend his entire career at the crows.. the other will have other teams coming hard for him from the day he walks in the door at the crows..

 

[WeedsMullet84]

I love a hypothetical pick trade but it’s hard to see the motivation for others to help us trade up... but now that I’ve got time on my hands today so here are my thoughts.

Essendon is the big road block as it’s hard to see them parting with 6/7/8. I’d expect they’d want 9 and our future first (which should absolutely be off limits).

They’re predicted to use as little as 4 picks and their 4th pick is Pick 40, so may be tempted by Pick 9 and 22... but again, difficult to see them accepting that for Pick 6 if one of the “5” slides and pick 7/8 doesn’t benefit us greatly unless we have a clear favourite player that we don’t want to risk missing.

Gold Coast may only use one pick and could be willing to trade down to pick 9 if they feel the next batch of players are fairly even. Pick 9 and a future second for 5 and a later 2020 pick that they won’t use? Unlikely but they’d be aiming for a better season in 2021 and may want to have some insurance if the AFL rolls back their assistance package which they will review next year.

Collingwood with Pick 14 or 16 seems the most likely trading partner for points if an early bid comes in for Reef McInnes.

If we can’t move up in 2020, it’d be a very Adelaide to try to move 22/23 to team expecting to be at the pointy end next year for a 2021 1st or more likely a 2nd round pick.

Totally agree with this, although I don’t think you’d be expecting much back from GC in a swap of Pick 5 for 9 and our 2021 2nd

To me GC seem like the only viable option, as I think Essendon are likely to deal with North for Pick 2, and Sydney & Hawks seem committed to taking players, and it’s really only that top 5/6 you want to get into.

If the right player doesn’t slip through to that Pick 5, then we don’t bother making a play for it, and even if it doesn’t happen it’s not a big deal, our picks are well placed to get some quality players.

I’m not even sure I’d want to give up to much to get a 1st from the Pies, happy with where both our 2nd rounders sit


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[Golumless]

Also listened to Kinnear on RTTD. He doubled down the Thilthorpe line too with an assertion that ruck options are rare throughout the AFL, both in the system and outside. He also stated that we are open to trading pick 1. He rates Tanner Bruhn as a top six pick. Kinnear speaks so well as well and you can see why he is in the upper echelon of what he does.

I am a glass half full human, but when I step back, everything I hear tells me we make things too easy for the other clubs as we constantly telegraph our position/strategy. This empties my Crows glass.

I reckon it's been a few years since we've heard a club say they're not open to trading pick 1.

Seems to be a "see, AFL, we didn't tank" lip service.

 

[StonesThrow]

I can't see us taking all three of Edwards, Newchurch and Borlase in the ND. There's a chance that Newchurch and Borlase end up rookies anyway.

Say we take 1 of them in the ND, that then leaves 3 picks before hand (1,9,22)

I wouldn't be against trading into next year's draft either.

 

[GrommoT]

... & Hawks seem committed to taking players, ...

Where have you seen this and who are they thought to be keen on? Just curious.

 

[Disco Fox]

I also find it bewildering that some here are talking about him being a ruck/forward as if its a bad thing!..

Hes a forward that can also competently ruck and did so against grown men in the SANFL this year..

And the one thing our forward line has been dearly missing in recent times is a contested marking bull... and Thilthorpe has this written all over him.

Im not saying he’s better than Mcdonald.. i just think they are both equally bloody great and both bring different traits to their game..

One had a better season but he also played in a far stronger side.. the other played for a sh*t side and still performed well..

One is a crows supporter and a South Aussie through and through and pretty much guaranteed to spend his entire career at the crows.. the other will have other teams coming hard for him from the day he walks in the door at the crows..

I was going to respond to your previous post, but this post is spot on - they are equally good(along with Hollands) & therefore whomever the Crows select nobody on here should squawk(BUT, they will) as too many posters nail their colours to one of the three lads, which is bizarre given we are all outside the tent when it comes to this hairy decision. As regards your last point re McDonald's "go home factor", well nobody knows, even the lad himself, right now.

 

[DJ75]

I can't see us taking all three of Edwards, Newchurch and Borlase in the ND. There's a chance that Newchurch and Borlase end up rookies anyway.

Say we take 1 of them in the ND, that then leaves 3 picks before hand (1,9,22)

I wouldn't be against trading into next year's draft either.

Borlase no chance of Rookie draft.
Newchurch also unlikely.

I suspect we take both. I think Edwards doesn't nominate us for ND. If he doesn't get drafted then we nominate him for RD. Is that possible?

 

[Golumless]

Borlase no chance of Rookie draft.
Newchurch also unlikely.

I suspect we take both. I think Edwards doesn't nominate us for ND. If he doesn't get drafted then we nominate him for RD. Is that possible?

We do hold the 1st pick in the rookie draft, so yeah, that's possible.

Getting Edward's there would be a pretty good result.

 

[Mutineer]

Borlase no chance of Rookie draft.
Newchurch also unlikely.

I suspect we take both. I think Edwards doesn't nominate us for ND. If he doesn't get drafted then we nominate him for RD. Is that possible?

I think Luke's body of work over his junior career should see a club at least throw a later draft pick at him, not too many kids available with his composure with ball in hand, natural footy smarts and decent all round skill set going to be around late in this draft.

FATHER-SON – ROOKIE PRE-SELECTION

The Father-Son Rule previously applied to players selected at the National Draft. Under the rule, other AFL clubs can bid for eligible players who have been nominated under the Father-Son Rule by an eligible club. The nominating club can select the eligible player by forfeiting its next available pick in the draft if a bid has been made by another club. If there is no bid from another club, the nominating club forfeits its last pick in the National Draft.

A club can pre-select an eligible player as a Category A rookie between the Pre-Season and Rookie Drafts (with the player’s consent) provided the player had nominated for but was not selected by another club at either the National or Pre-Season Drafts. In that case, the relevant club would forfeit its last available selection in the Rookie Draft to take the player.

 

[Hodgy]

You forgot to mention that Thilthorpe had to play a lot of his games in the ruck for westies this year due to an injuries to their main ruck..

Then you forgot to add that Mcdonald’s team was dominant making it far easier for a forward to ply his trade.

You also forgot to mention that west adelaide were sh*te this year making it far harder for a forward playing in their side.

But i guess adding these points to your comment and stats provided kinda shoots a heap of holes in your arguement..

Knowing all this...

Maybe we should be asking why Mcdonald could only manage to kick 22 goals this season.. more than we should be asking why thilthorpe only kicked 5..

You say Perth was dominant? Really? They kicked exactly the same amount of goals as West in those games. I’m not sure if you follow WA footy, but Perth have been basically like Woodville in the 80’s, they have been beyond bad. And Tillthorpe did ruck 2 games, that was mentioned earlier.

look, I get it, you like the local lad. However I have just posted a clear statistic that McDonald has contributed a huge amount bigger percentage of his teams score than Tillthorpe did. it’s a fact. It doesn’t mean definitely that one will have a better career than the other, it does however indicate that McDonald is more of a pure key forward than Tillthorpe, who is more of a ruckman who could be really dangerous when he goes forward.

 

[Mutineer]

You say Perth was dominant? Really? They kicked exactly the same amount of goals as West in those games. I’m not sure if you follow WA footy, but Perth have been basically like Woodville in the 80’s, they have been beyond bad. And Tillthorpe did ruck 2 games, that was mentioned earlier.

look, I get it, you like the local lad. However I have just posted a clear statistic that McDonald has contributed a huge amount bigger percentage of his teams score than Tillthorpe did. it’s a fact. It doesn’t mean definitely that one will have a better career than the other, it does however indicate that McDonald is more of a pure key forward than Tillthorpe, who is more of a ruckman who could be really dangerous when he goes forward.

WA's season was shorter than SA's wasn't it? At least that's my recollection.

And your stats prove nothing.....Thilthorpe didn't play the pure Full Forward role every game the other lad did.

 

[Hodgy]

I also find it bewildering that some here are talking about him being a ruck/forward as if its a bad thing!..

Hes a forward that can also competently ruck and did so against grown men in the SANFL this year..

And the one thing our forward line has been dearly missing in recent times is a contested marking bull... and Thilthorpe has this written all over him.

Im not saying he’s better than Mcdonald.. i just think they are both equally bloody great and both bring different traits to their game..

One had a better season but he also played in a far stronger side.. the other played for a sh*t side and still performed well..

One is a crows supporter and a South Aussie through and through and pretty much guaranteed to spend his entire career at the crows.. the other will have other teams coming hard for him from the day he walks in the door at the crows..

Sigh. No one is saying it’s a bad thing at all. In fact it is an incredibly important role in the modern game. What people are saying is that ruck or ruck/forward are not glaring areas of weakness for the Adelaide Football Club.

in round 3 I think, we got smashed by the previous years spooners in Gold Coast. In that game they had 12 to 5 center clearances and 56 to 28 inside fifties. You could have Tony Lockett

Tony Lockett

Age

58

Ht

191cm

Wt

108kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.2

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

1.8

2star

M

6.3

5star

T

0.5

3star

G

4.8

5star

No current season stats available

D

8.2

2star

K

5.6

3star

HB

2.6

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.0

1star

G

1.4

5star

and Wayne Carey up forward with those numbers and still get thumped. We need speed and class in the midfield before worrying about forwards, and about 6 areas of the ground before ruck/forward.

 

[Vader]

Borlase no chance of Rookie draft.
Newchurch also unlikely.

I suspect we take both. I think Edwards doesn't nominate us for ND. If he doesn't get drafted then we nominate him for RD. Is that possible?

If he doesn't nominate as a F/S then we have no special rights over him in either draft. We could still draft him, but it would be using a "live" pick.

 

[Hodgy]

WA's season was shorter than SA's wasn't it? At least that's my recollection.

Yep, only 9 games against 14. But Tillthorpe only played the first 9.