List Mgmt. 2020 Draft Thread

[Gone Critical]

Very hard to get top end picks when finishing in the finals last three years.
People rant and rave about missing the finals so . . .
The natural result of being a finalist is not having top end picks.
You get top end picks for failing the season.

More a result of 5 of the lat 6 round 1 picks we have had have been used on players no longer at the club. We had a major salary dump leading to shunting top end talent out the door. This was compounded by bad planning and management of that shunting meaning we go very little back for those players. Result we have very little young talent at the club but a lot of kids that we have to hope for.

 

[Scodog10]

Are you suggesting they didn't bid on him earlier, because we previously agreed that we'd do this trade?

I’m not really suggesting anything just scoring a point.

For me this is tonight was the final event in the disaster that was our 2020 off season. We have developed a very unbalanced list and as we shed more of our elite talent in the next few seasons we have little quality coming through the ranks. Our drafting from 2015 onwards, now 6 drafts, has been a mess

Left on our list from after 2014 we have the following draft picks (from the main draft)
2015 32
2016 35, 59
2017 39,50,
2018 13, 29
2019 40,45,55
2020 17,19,22,30,31,44

We now have 18 players out of a list of 40 who have less than 44 games of experience between them. (10 player 0 games, 3 players 1 game, 1 player 2 games, 1 4 games, 1 nine, 1 eleven and 1 fifteen.) All our 6 top 10 picks on the list comes from 2014 or before. It will be amazing drafting from Hine if this list turns into a good one in the seasons ahead. He is basically playing a poker game with no access to the picture cards. Very hard to win

This isn't a knock on the 9 kids we have drafted in 19/20. None of us can really tell if any of them make it. I like the look of Henry and Macrae in particular but I am just guessing like most of us. Truth still is we shipped out A grade talent a few weeks ago and on numbers will struggle to replace that. List very unbalanced now for mine.

Perhaps it’s fairer to use the same set of parameters as the club? They’ve included 2014 in there list build clearly painting a better picture because it netted us 3 AA types. You’ve left it out because it doesn’t fit your narrative.

I share your concerns over the time frame you’ve used. I just think it’s impossible for the club to receive any support if we’re comparing apples with oranges.

FWIW if only IQ, Daicos and one from last night go onto be of the same caliber as the guys out of the 2014 draft then the list is well placed.

 

[Gone Critical]

I think it gives a feeling that the club is trying to walk two timelines at once. There's still a few older heads that would be looking to compete and a lot of younger guys which indicates a rebuild of sorts. Not a lot of guys in that 23-28 bracket that is usually indicative of contending teams.

I also wonder what effect this approach has on the coach. Adding a bunch of young guys is unlikely to translate to a rise up the ladder. Is the intention to contend next year? Is the intention for Nathan to play kids and rebuild again?

I think our best hope for next year would be to tread water and make finals. Unlikely to contend where almost all the clubs around or above us have immediate list improvements and we have had a list downturn

 

[unplugged]

Where is best place to watch/listen to the rookie draft?

It's generally pretty low key. I feel like it may have only really been on Twitter last year via any journalists or pages that had access to the stream.

 

[whiskeytown]

It's generally pretty low key. I feel like it may have only really been on Twitter last year via any journalists or pages that had access to the stream.

When’s it start? Literally no detailed info on it on the footy websites

 

[The Royal Sampler]

I don’t know much about him, but if Kolar is a soccer convert he might give Hine Keeffe vibes.

 

[Matt_352]

When’s it start? Literally no detailed info on it on the footy websites

noon

 

[jonmacTrag]

More a result of 5 of the lat 6 round 1 picks we have had have been used on players no longer at the club. We had a major salary dump leading to shunting top end talent out the door. This was compounded by bad planning and management of that shunting meaning we go very little back for those players. Result we have very little young talent at the club but a lot of kids that we have to hope for.

Won't argue about it moving on.

 

[PIEWITHSAUCE]

Rookie Draft recap: Find out who's just been added to an AFL list

More names have been added to club lists through the NAB AFL Pre-Season and Rookie Draft. Check it out

www.afl.com.au

Blog will be running here . No 1 pick set to be Bryce Gibbs (for admin purposes)

 

[Kramer]

I still don't get the pick swap with the hawks.

i figure we were anticipating an early bid from the crows and were positioning ourselves with enough points to be able to get Reef. think we would have lined up 2 seperate trades for picks 14 and 16 gaining future picks with the hope of then trading back into the draft after matching a bid.

 

[Matt_352]

foxfooty.com are running the rookie draft

 

[Matt_352]

Rookie Draft recap: Find out who's just been added to an AFL list

More names have been added to club lists through the NAB AFL Pre-Season and Rookie Draft. Check it out

www.afl.com.au

Blog will be running here . No 1 pick set to be Bryce Gibbs (for admin purposes)

thanks

 

[neilk]

So we will have pick #14 as our first pick in the rookie draft?

 

[No SPIN]

I think it gives a feeling that the club is trying to walk two timelines at once. There's still a few older heads that would be looking to compete and a lot of younger guys which indicates a rebuild of sorts. Not a lot of guys in that 23-28 bracket that is usually indicative of contending teams.

I also wonder what effect this approach has on the coach. Adding a bunch of young guys is unlikely to translate to a rise up the ladder. Is the intention to contend next year? Is the intention for Nathan to play kids and rebuild again?

We’ve lost AT from that bracket of 23-28 ( Phillips was not best 22), so I don’t see this as a new problem arising from the trade period.

 

[Matt_352]

So we will have pick #14 as our first pick in the rookie draft?

Callow or Baldwin please, then the other at the next pick

 

[Babylove]

Just watching Hine's review of the draft, and gee doesn't he sound tired?

 

[Apex36]

So where we traded in 24 and 30, getting them to bid on Reef and use up our 41 and 42 was to protect not the 24 (which we then traded back to get Adelaide’s 2021 3rd) so much as to protect the 30?

It’s marginal but I guess I could see it.

Yep. The thing I’m still confused about is why we even traded in those picks in the 40’s. Feels like an unnecessary burn of our future second tbh, and my one real criticism of the events of last night.

 

[Jen2310]

Just watching Hine's review of the draft, and gee doesn't he sound tired?

He didn't just sound it, but he looked exhausted.

 

[Gone Critical]

We’ve lost AT from that bracket of 23-28 ( Phillips was not best 22), so I don’t see this as a new problem arising from the trade period.

Phillips played about 70 games in a row before his injury. He was clearly best 22.

 

[No SPIN]

Phillips played about 70 games in a row before his injury. He was clearly best 22.

What position would he have in our best 22 today?

 

[barrackers]

i figure we were anticipating an early bid from the crows and were positioning ourselves with enough points to be able to get Reef. think we would have lined up 2 seperate trades for picks 14 and 16 gaining future picks with the hope of then trading back into the draft after matching a bid.

We could have waited for a bid before doing the trade though. Just seems we were panicked or worried about a bid/deficit.

 

[Gone Critical]

I’m not really suggesting anything just scoring a point.




Perhaps it’s fairer to use the same set of parameters as the club? They’ve included 2014 in there list build clearly painting a better picture because it netted us 3 AA types. You’ve left it out because it doesn’t fit your narrative.

I share your concerns over the time frame you’ve used. I just think it’s impossible for the club to receive any support if we’re comparing apples with oranges.

FWIW if only IQ, Daicos and one from last night go onto be of the same caliber as the guys out of the 2014 draft then the list is well placed.

Implication was we have had 6 bad drafts since our last good one. That is the narrative. I think last night was hopefully the conclusion of the damage to our list and some of our picks outperform their draft position. Then we will be in better shape. Our list for the future has an unknown element given such a big chunk has hardly played but 2020 is a disaster unless Hine has weaved some magic and outperformed the other recruiters

 

[Gone Critical]

What position would he have in our best 22 today?

He would play a mix of wing and half forward. 4 spots on bench so plenty of scope for him being picked. He has played always for seasons now and next year we will be looking for experience especially if a few injuries kick in.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Seems like a very nice haul. The new growth regeneration after the fire sale. Much nicer feeling about things now than the trade period for sure.

I suspect we will badly miss Stevo given his freakish ability and our indifferent forward line. At least until his next off field incident and then we will be saying we are glad we got rid of him.

But I reckon won’t even notice the absence of Treloar and Phillips with new blood ready to step up.

 

[TradeDraft]