2020 Non-Crows AFL Discussion

[Thetrader15]

It pisses me off that it takes a pandemic for Hawthorn to play Geelong in Geelong

Anyting to get out of Melbourne

 

[LC40]

But you can't move the ball with speed in the modern era if your players are cooked on the field. Skill errors would be through the roof, and burst speed would disappear from the game. Players would be encouraged to move the ball more slowly and retain more possession to avoid skill errors.

We are, in combination with the 6-6-6 rule, seeing more of that in modern football, whereas less of those things happened with unlimited interchanges.

In my opinion, tiring players makes them worse at football (this is generally common sense), and therefore makes the game worse

The opposite is true. You move the ball with long kicking and rely on your forwards to win the one on ones.
Burst players aren't eliminated, fitter players will still be able to run hard, no one ever crawled on hands and knees when there were no interchange.
As for players moving the ball more slowly and retaining possession what do you think is happening now.
The ball gets chipped around and around, the whole exercise is to retain possession until a gap or player opens up. It is boring football because players are so skilled that mistakes rarely happen until they move the ball into a congested forward line where players have run back to help their defenders. Sure you do get some counter attacks but at present it is like how soccer is played.
We are seeing more of this crap in modern football because coaches value defensive pressure and defensive help and maintaining possession. One on one contests are rare because players can make multiple leads until they are free of an opponent and can then be used. If they get tired they come off and a fresh player can play the exact same way.
Tiring players doesn't make football worse it creates more opportunities for players to shine by working harder than their opposition. The game now days is so clinical but by tiring players the game eventually opens up, it may take a few quarters but we need more mistakes not less to give the opposition more chance to win the ball. To me it just makes common sense.

 

[Jack is Back]

Since Hawthorn haven’t played in Geelong since 1669, we have sent Clarko our Kardinia Park game plan?

 

[Scorpus]

The opposite is true. You move the ball with long kicking and rely on your forwards to win the one on ones.
Burst players aren't eliminated, fitter players will still be able to run hard, no one ever crawled on hands and knees when there were no interchange.
As for players moving the ball more slowly and retaining possession what do you think is happening now.
The ball gets chipped around and around, the whole exercise is to retain possession until a gap or player opens up. It is boring football because players are so skilled that mistakes rarely happen until they move the ball into a congested forward line where players have run back to help their defenders. Sure you do get some counter attacks but at present it is like how soccer is played.
We are seeing more of this crap in modern football because coaches value defensive pressure and defensive help and maintaining possession. One on one contests are rare because players can make multiple leads until they are free of an opponent and can then be used. If they get tired they come off and a fresh player can play the exact same way.
Tiring players doesn't make football worse it creates more opportunities for players to shine by working harder than their opposition. The game now days is so clinical but by tiring players the game eventually opens up, it may take a few quarters but we need more mistakes not less to give the opposition more chance to win the ball. To me it just makes common sense.

We are getting chip around football precisely because of the interchange cap. Players are taking the safe option to avoid skill errors they'd more likely commit as a fatigued player. Ball movement is slow and stagnant, teams struggle to execute basic skills to get out of packs, theres a lot of garbage pressure football because being in the right spot to tackle is easier than being a skilled user of the football. Coaches are forcing players to run off their ass to get into position, at the expense of anything else in the game. That will get worse with an increased cap

Essentially what you are arguing for is players to make more mistakes on purpose. Force them to make mistakes. That goes against what sport should be about. As the game evolves, players should be getting more skilled, not less.

Yes, with unlimited interchange, we had more zone breaking possession football demonstrated by teams like Hawthorn. But we also had contested beast teams like Sydney. Since the cap, the dominant style has become low skilled pressure mauls

 

[LC40]

We are getting chip around football precisely because of the interchange cap. Players are taking the safe option to avoid skill errors they'd more likely commit as a fatigued player. Ball movement is slow and stagnant, teams struggle to execute basic skills to get out of packs, theres a lot of garbage pressure football because being in the right spot to tackle is easier than being a skilled user of the football. Coaches are forcing players to run off their ass to get into position, at the expense of anything else in the game. That will get worse with an increased cap

Essentially what you are arguing for is players to make more mistakes on purpose. Force them to make mistakes. That goes against what sport should be about. As the game evolves, players should be getting more skilled, not less.

Yes, with unlimited interchange, we had more zone breaking possession football demonstrated by teams like Hawthorn. But we also had contested beast teams like Sydney. Since the cap, the dominant style has become low skilled pressure mauls

I agree we are getting chip around football because of the interchange cap it's too high.

 

[TRP1996]

And it looks like they've already surpassed last night's full time score.

 

[Barneythecrab]

Is there a more average “best player in the comp” than Dangerfield? Sorry other than Rance.

 

[Scorpus]

Is there a more average “best player in the comp” than Dangerfield? Sorry other than Rance.

He was the best player, until he became a flopping whining little bitch

 

[Crow_68]

He was Port’s best player, until he became a flopping whining little bitch

Edited so as it refers to Wingard


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[ams4crows]

Sooo Andy Otten is Hawthorn's runner tonight??

 

[hey shorty]

Sooo Andy Otten is Hawthorn's runner tonight??

Playing for Box Hill and is a development coach.

 

[ams4crows]

Trent Cochin giving out high fives as they run out the race isn't that "against the rules" is he gonna be suspended?

 

[jackster83]

Good to see Hocking using the pandemic as an excuse to hand more advantages to his beloved Geelong.

 

[treeman]

Good to see Hocking using the pandemic as an excuse to hand more advantages to his beloved Geelong.

The home ground advantage proving too much in this last half.

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[Scorpus]

Umpires refusing to pay obvious throws has led to multiple Geelong goals

 

[Drugs Are Bad Mackay?]

Will Geelong be good this season?

22 rounds + finals usually proves to be too much for them

 

[Simmo28]

Geez Danger can’t kick for shit


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[treeman]

Where is JJ?

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[jackster83]

The home ground advantage proving too much in this last half.

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Nice to see them allow three Geelong members onto the field to umpire though.

 

[Simmo28]

Will Geelong be good this season?

22 rounds + finals usually proves to be too much for them

19 games at home and 3 at MCG, they will be fine...


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[Scorpus]

Will Geelong be good this season?

22 rounds + finals usually proves to be too much for them

They can't play away from Kardinia. They will be shit in finals as usual

 

[Crow_68]

Wingard knew exactly what he was doing with the high studs up.


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[MatthewB]

silk could be in trouble for that

 

[GreyCrow]

Burgoyne will be looked at for that tackle

 

[Simmo28]

Wingard knew exactly what he was doing with the high studs up.


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Can’t stand the guy but it is was knee up, his studs were down


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