List Mgmt. 2020 Trade Watch

[JasRulz63]

Current no. of players on the list
Senior list - 34 (2-4 free*)
Rookie (Cat A) - 4 (0-2 free*)
Rookie (Cat B) - 2 (0 free)
Maximum list size of 44. Up to 36-38 senior list, 4-6 category A rookie list and 2 category B rookie list.
* Total of four list spots available, with a minimum of 2 senior list spots needing to be utilised.

List changes
IN: Daniher, Cockatoo, Uosis (R)
OUT: Christensen, Wooller, Allison (R), Skinner (R), Eagles (R), C. Lyons (R), Martin, Witherden, Cox, Hinge.
PROMOTED: Fullarton.
ROOKIED: Birchall, Mathieson, Ballendan.

Current picks
25, 53, 58, 69, 70
(2021 - 1st (MEL), 1st, 3rd (WCE), 3rd, 4th (MEL), 4th (COLL), 5th)

Spoiler: 2020 draft order

Useful links
2020 trade news compendium
List changes, contract status and key dates
2020 draft discussion thread

 

[Johnny Bananas]

Seriously?

Again, I’m not a medical professional, so my opinion means diddly squat.

I just can’t see how he’s not at a greater risk than other players.

The last blow to his head that saw him sidelined was a glancing blow, that players receive 5 times a game. It was “soft” in the context of the game.

There were also concerns about if his diabetes were impacting on his ability to get in to proper playing shape.

Good thing he got advice from actual medical professionals who told him otherwise then. I'm not one either so I couldn't tell you in detail, but if he's been checked out by a doctor and declared able to keep playing, that's good enough for me. I'm sure AFL clubs will be conducting their own medical testing before signing him.

 

[Dalions]

Concussion-free McCartin aiming for AFL return

'I can just return to training as a full player'

wwos.nine.com.au

I'd take him, even if our list goes down to 35. He went #1 for a reason, his raw talent is surely higher than any of our current reserve forwards.

After seeing the minimal hit that has put him out of the game for the last 18 months or however long it has been, I think I would give him a big fat miss.
Particularly, if list sizes come down to 35.

 

[briztoon]

Good thing he got advice from actual medical professionals who told him otherwise then. I'm not one either so I couldn't tell you in detail, but if he's been checked out by a doctor and declared able to keep playing, that's good enough for me. I'm sure AFL clubs will be conducting their own medical testing before signing him.

As was said by one of the GC posters, who is a medical practitioner, he can’t believe a doctor has declared McCartin fit to play.

 

[martinson]

As was said by one of the GC posters, who is a medical practitioner, he can’t believe a doctor has declared McCartin fit to play.

McCartin is a young guy with a significant health problem whose dream has been dashed , understandably someone in authority/some medical regulatory body/committee needs to adjudicate on this for him.

Research is stacking up overseas as to the significant mental health problems that eventuate from concussions.

 

[dlanod]

Good thing he got advice from actual medical professionals who told him otherwise then. I'm not one either so I couldn't tell you in detail, but if he's been checked out by a doctor and declared able to keep playing, that's good enough for me. I'm sure AFL clubs will be conducting their own medical testing before signing him.

There's a difference between able to keep playing from his perspective and him being an asset to a team from the team's perspective. A key part of any recruitment is availability of that recruit. Repeated concussions put you at a higher risk of more - that's been shown in studies for years - and each takes him off the field.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

As was said by one of the GC posters, who is a medical practitioner, he can’t believe a doctor has declared McCartin fit to play.

And did this poster observe McCartin personally?

 

[Johnny Bananas]

There's a difference between able to keep playing from his perspective and him being an asset to a team from the team's perspective. A key part of any recruitment is availability of that recruit. Repeated concussions put you at a higher risk of more - that's been shown in studies for years - and each takes him off the field.

Might want to read your link a little more carefully:

In fact the study finds that those with a history of multiple concussions also have a greater likelihood of having concussion within the same season.

People are able to recover from concussions. It's been two years since his last concussion, and nobody is signing him until at least 2021 which will make it three years of time recovering. If a club's medical staff believe that he has a low risk of recurring concussion, I'm inclined to believe them.

 

[briztoon]

Might want to read your link a little more carefully:


People are able to recover from concussions. It's been two years since his last concussion, and nobody is signing him until at least 2021 which will make it three years of time recovering. If a club's medical staff believe that he has a low risk of recurring concussion, I'm inclined to believe them.

He had a concussion last preseason. That was the glancing blow to the head, going up for a contested mark.

Paddy McCartin admits he found a dangerous pre-season concussion loophole

McCartin admits he found a dangerous pre-season concussion loophole

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[dlanod]

Might want to read your link a little more carefully:


People are able to recover from concussions. It's been two years since his last concussion, and nobody is signing him until at least 2021 which will make it three years of time recovering.

That study dates back to 2003, as an example of how long multiple concussions have been understood to indicate a higher risk of concussions in the future. Chances are it was limited to one season because that made it easier to collect the data and publish - not because it ruled out any further effects. That's the problem with studying long term effects.

https://www.cognitivefxusa.com/blog/multiple-concussions-effects-and-treatment has a pretty good set of links to studies showing that link. Anecdotal evidence is prevelant in the NFL as well.

If a club's medical staff believe that he has a low risk of recurring concussion, I'm inclined to believe them.

That's great. The club hasn't though, so I'm not sure of the relevance. I am generally not willing to second guess medical professionals, so if we do recruit him I will assume we've done our due diligence. However I doubt we will, for the reasons I'm explaining.

My main point is that there's a massive difference in perspective between a doctor clearing McCartin to play and a club signing him. The first is whether or not there will be long term effects on McCartin's health. I'm not fully convinced personally but I'll definitely defer too their experience, but I doubt his explanation:

"The doctors have told me I don't have any greater risk than any other player on an AFL list when I go out and play footy (in terms of) getting concussion."

I'd be very interested in seeing the actual medical advice received and from whom, though obviously that's not an option.

However that's very different to whether he will continue to suffer concussions and be rendered unavailable to finish games or selection in general, which is what the club needs to consider. All evidence suggests that that will continue, as one of the most concussion prone players in the AFL and the medical documentation on concussions. That's why I don't think the club will take him on.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

That's great. The club hasn't though, so I'm not sure of the relevance.

The relevance is that if a club recruits him, I trust their doctors. It's a very straightforward statement, so I don't understand why you're not sure of the relevance. No club has attempted to recruit him yet because he has only been targeting a return in 2021.

 

[Happy_Neale]

Haven't seen much of McCartin obviously, but the games he did play had 'draft bust' written all over them IMO.

 

[CarterS]

Don't think he'd improve our team personally.

 

[theteamtobeat]

Hopefully we do a brother trade these year. Ah Chee for Jarred Cameron.

I don't see Ah Chee being that running half back we want. Need to target Williams (GWS) and trade Ah Chee to West Coast for Jarred Cameron.

 

[StevoJenkins]

Hopefully we do a brother trade these year. Ah Chee for Jarred Cameron.

I don't see Ah Chee being that running half back we want. Need to target Williams (GWS) and trade Ah Chee to West Coast for Jarred Cameron.

Jarred doesn’t want to come though? Didn’t he say he was glad to be on a different team so he can do his own thing. Also I’m pretty sure he grew up in WA, so would be hard to get him out.

 

[Scubaveg]

Haven't seen much of McCartin obviously, but the games he did play had 'draft bust' written all over them IMO.

Yeah no way I’d be taking him, find away to keep going Sam Skinner instead.


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[lionshine]

Depending of course on where they end up, I wouldn't be against trading our two first rounders this year for Jye Caldwell. Would be great to add another young gun midfielder to our rising team.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Depending of course on where they end up, I wouldn't be against trading our two first rounders this year for Jye Caldwell. Would be great to add another young gun midfielder to our rising team.

If it's 7/10 or something like that I'd be okay trading for a known young gun. or trading up to a top 3 pick depending on the players available

 

[M Malice]

What would it take to get Matt Rowell?

 

[briztoon]

What would it take to get Matt Rowell?

A lot of incriminating photos.

 

[BuntonRules]

And did this poster observe McCartin personally?

Any club picking up Mc Cartin would be doing him a disservice. He should be told to give it away, for his own good.

They would be doing a dis service to their medical team - here, you are now responsible (and liable) for him now.

As the club that lost Justin Clark - to court that again would be reprehensible, IMHO.

 

[briztoon]

If it's 7/10 or something like that I'd be okay trading for a known young gun. or trading up to a top 3 pick depending on the players available

Right now I’m wondering which pick will be worse, ours or Ports. We all forgot to do the death ride dance before the season started.


I believe the Bulldogs are tanking the season, so they get to use their pick 1 and then watch who ever has pick 2 put a bid on their nga player.

 

[briztoon]

Depending of course on where they end up, I wouldn't be against trading our two first rounders this year for Jye Caldwell. Would be great to add another young gun midfielder to our rising team.

More likely Hately leaves than Caldwell.

Unless there’s credible rumours out there of Caldwell wanting to leave.

 

[Dalions]

Right now I’m wondering which pick will be worse, ours or Ports. We all forgot to do the death ride dance before the season started.


I believe the Bulldogs are tanking the season, so they get to use their pick 1 and then watch who ever has pick 2 put a bid on their nga player.

Port have played Gold Coast and Adelaide who both played woeful football.
I wouldn’t be too high on Port just yet.

 

[briztoon]

Port have played Gold Coast and Adelaide who both played woeful football.
I wouldn’t be too high on Port just yet.

Have you watched Port?

They’ve looked more convincing than we have.

 

[Dalions]

Have you watched Port?

They’ve looked more convincing than we have.

Did you watch Gold Coast and Adelaide in those 2 games?