List Mgmt. 2020 Trade Watch

[JasRulz63]

Current no. of players on the list
Senior list - 34 (2-4 free*)
Rookie (Cat A) - 4 (0-2 free*)
Rookie (Cat B) - 2 (0 free)
Maximum list size of 44. Up to 36-38 senior list, 4-6 category A rookie list and 2 category B rookie list.
* Total of four list spots available, with a minimum of 2 senior list spots needing to be utilised.

List changes
IN: Daniher, Cockatoo, Uosis (R)
OUT: Christensen, Wooller, Allison (R), Skinner (R), Eagles (R), C. Lyons (R), Martin, Witherden, Cox, Hinge.
PROMOTED: Fullarton.
ROOKIED: Birchall, Mathieson, Ballendan.

Current picks
25, 53, 58, 69, 70
(2021 - 1st (MEL), 1st, 3rd (WCE), 3rd, 4th (MEL), 4th (COLL), 5th)

Spoiler: 2020 draft order

Useful links
2020 trade news compendium
List changes, contract status and key dates
2020 draft discussion thread

 

[briztoon]

Did you watch Gold Coast and Adelaide in those 2 games?

Yes.

Fremantle aren’t much better, and we struggled with them.

 

[The Zork]

Port will be pushing top 4. Exciting team.

 

[Dalions]

Yes.

Fremantle aren’t much better, and we struggled with them.

We weren’t great, no.
But I thought that Freo played some pretty spirited football.
As they also did in Round 1.

 

[Dylan12]

What would it take to get Matt Rowell?

Sadly, I reckon Rowell has shown more in his 2 games than Rayner has in his career to date. Walsh too.

Rayner has definitely improved from his first year when he was gifted games whilst doing nothing and is steadily improving, but we were dudded in the no.1 pick stakes as far as guns go. I'll be happy to be proven wrong in years down the track, but I just don't ever see Rayner being in the class that Rowell and Walsh will end up and or even the three top 20 picks that joined the Power last year. Unlike all of these kids, Rayner still hasn't come close to being the dominating player on the ground and getting all votes (coaches and Brownlow) than all the other lads has.

Disappointing really.

 

[a mayes ing]

Sadly, I reckon Rowell has shown more in his 2 games than Rayner has in his career to date. Walsh too.

Rayner has definitely improved from his first year when he was gifted games whilst doing nothing and is steadily improving, but we were dudded in the no.1 pick stakes as far as guns go. I'll be happy to be proven wrong in years down the track, but I just don't ever see Rayner being in the class that Rowell and Walsh will end up and or even the three top 20 picks that joined the Power last year. Unlike all of these kids, Rayner still hasn't come close to being the dominating player on the ground and getting all votes (coaches and Brownlow) than all the other lads has.

Disappointing really.

Rowell is definitly better than Rayner and Walsh, however Rowell is a different beast, better than every young player in the comp so far. Walsh plays in a differennt part of the ground than Rayner so a bit unfair to judge. Rayner playing as a half forward is one of the most difficult positions to play and he has improved every year. He is only starting to get some minutes into the midfield. I think the coaching staff are trying to mould him into a Martin clone and Martin only played well in his 5th or 6th season iirc. Walsh may have shown a bit more than Rayner but it is easier to get touches in a midfield with only1 other player (Cripps) taking touches off him.

 

[SXT15]

Depending of course on where they end up, I wouldn't be against trading our two first rounders this year for Jye Caldwell. Would be great to add another young gun midfielder to our rising team.

Personally I’d rather drop two x firsts for Stephenson (Coll) or someone like D Fogarty who complement our existing best 25-30 players;

 

[Zhesty]

Rayner was always a more long term investment. Not all players develop at the same rate. Way too early to be making those calls.

 

[SaintByTrade]

Sorry for intruding.

But whats the idea with your next ruckman after stef hangs up the boots? Does big O have it in him to be a sole ruck or will you target elsewhere?

 

[briztoon]

Personally I’d rather drop two x firsts for Stephenson (Coll) or someone like D Fogarty who complement our existing best 25-30 players;

We would have little to no interest in Stephenson, for the same reason we didn’t consider drafting him. He has a heart condition that can be exacerbated by a warm climate.

I don’t believe Darcy Fogerty is the answer to our forward line either.

 

[Dalions]

Sorry for intruding.

But whats the idea with your next ruckman after stef hangs up the boots? Does big O have it in him to be a sole ruck or will you target elsewhere?

I have no doubt we will be chasing another Ruckman at some point because after Stef and Big O, that cupboard is pretty bare.

 

[SXT15]

Sorry for intruding.

But whats the idea with your next ruckman after stef hangs up the boots? Does big O have it in him to be a sole ruck or will you target elsewhere?

Yes O is a more than adequate replacement, and to-be-honest a different Value Add to us v Stef. He is a better, or at least projects to be, a better tap ruckman than Stef. And, he allows another one of forward/rucks like Skinner, Fullerton, Ballenden or Mcstay to do a direct swap with him during games i.e. 75/25 split. I like the idea of Mcstay as a relief ruck and impacting his size, agility and skill on the ball; he may have a good follow up impact like ala Stef. This move only works if we have a strong FF type to complement Hip; I.e. Darcy Fogarty

 

[SXT15]

We would have little to no interest in Stephenson, for the same reason we didn’t consider drafting him. He has a heart condition that can be exacerbated by a warm climate.

I don’t believe Darcy Fogerty is the answer to our forward line either.

yeah maybe you’re right about Stephenson, I still think our tall forwards are the biggest concern as I still don’t 100% trust Hipwoods ability to impact when it’s on like in finals. I hope I’m wrong though. If I’m not, we definitely need a Joe Daniher or Fogarty quality type of tall contest forward

 

[briztoon]

yeah maybe you’re right about Stephenson, I still think our tall forwards are the biggest concern as I still don’t 100% trust Hipwoods ability to impact when it’s on like in finals. I hope I’m wrong though. If I’m not, we definitely need a Joe Daniher or Fogarty quality type of tall contest forward

Oh, I 100% agree with you about our lack of a goal kicking tall forward in the Reiwoldt (Tigers) or Lynch (Tigers) mold.

I just believe Fogarty isn’t that player. Too short.

I also view Hipwood as a very tall forward flanker. Despite his height, he doesn’t have the game/skill set/body to play as a genuine KPF.

Ideally both Fullerton and Ballenden come on, and push McStay out of the best 22.

We would play a three tall line up with Ballenden playing as forward ruck.

If we went with Oscar as the solitary ruck, I believe we need to bring another tall forward in, as we can’t have Hipwood as the solitary tall forward if McStay is rucking.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Rayner was always a more long term investment. Not all players develop at the same rate. Way too early to be making those calls.

Some players come out of the blocks fast as ready built plug and play players. McGrath a good example winning the rising star but McCluggage has now overtaken him and the much better player. I'm pretty confident Rayner will be a gun just needs time

 

[M Malice]

Sadly, I reckon Rowell has shown more in his 2 games than Rayner has in his career to date. Walsh too.

Rayner has definitely improved from his first year when he was gifted games whilst doing nothing and is steadily improving, but we were dudded in the no.1 pick stakes as far as guns go. I'll be happy to be proven wrong in years down the track, but I just don't ever see Rayner being in the class that Rowell and Walsh will end up and or even the three top 20 picks that joined the Power last year. Unlike all of these kids, Rayner still hasn't come close to being the dominating player on the ground and getting all votes (coaches and Brownlow) than all the other lads has.

Disappointing really.

Very small sample size re Rowell but he does look like a once in a generation type player.

I'm still confident that Rayner can be a very good player for us, he came onto our list out of shape(horrendous beep test, yoyo test and time trial results) as compared to Rowell who is as fit as a fiddle and built like a brick shithouse, Walsh was very well prepared physically and mentally as well. Cam gives me the impression that he just glided through junior footy and excelled on pure talent without working too hard, he is now working a lot harder on his game evidenced by his drop in weight and improved endurance, wont be at his best for another pre season or 2.

 

[dlanod]

What would it take to get Matt Rowell?

Draft his brother and then wait for him to be delisted?

 

[Fagenslions36]

don’t agree with that statement at all . Martin was very good in his first few years . Remember him booting 5 against us as a 21 year old . He was a beast and had shown a lot more then Rayner and played a lot more midfield then Rayner did aswell

Rowell is definitly better than Rayner and Walsh, however Rowell is a different beast, better than every young player in the comp so far. Walsh plays in a differennt part of the ground than Rayner so a bit unfair to judge. Rayner playing as a half forward is one of the most difficult positions to play and he has improved every year. He is only starting to get some minutes into the midfield. I think the coaching staff are trying to mould him into a Martin clone and Martin only played well in his 5th or 6th season iirc. Walsh may have shown a bit more than Rayner but it is easier to get touches in a midfield with only1 other player (Cripps) taking touches off him.

 

[Fagenslions36]

I don’t think Rayner is a clean player as some thought he was . He is always fumbling under pressure .

 

[Dylan12]

Very small sample size re Rowell but he does look like a once in a generation type player.

I'm still confident that Rayner can be a very good player for us, he came onto our list out of shape(horrendous beep test, yoyo test and time trial results) as compared to Rowell who is as fit as a fiddle and built like a brick shithouse, Walsh was very well prepared physically and mentally as well. Cam gives me the impression that he just glided through junior footy and excelled on pure talent without working too hard, he is now working a lot harder on his game evidenced by his drop in weight and improved endurance, wont be at his best for another pre season or 2.

I'm still not sold. Still continuously drops marks he should take and more often than note, shanks his kicks or they just lack of penetration.

Per my previous post, I think that Port's trio of Rozee (pick 5), Butters (12) and Duursma (18) have each shown more that Rayner and they are only in their second year.

In this day and age, most top 5 and even first rounder picks are performing at a higher level immediately and I just don't see it was Rayner; we're still waiting for him to be in our top 5 players in a game let alone be BOG.

As I said, Rayner is improving, but the point of my post is that he is still a long way off performing at the level most first picks, top 10 picks or even first rounders are.

 

[jackess]

Dylan12 definitely isn't rusty despite the break between rounds 1 and 2. Already locked in on his targets.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Very small sample size re Rowell but he does look like a once in a generation type player.

I'm still confident that Rayner can be a very good player for us, he came onto our list out of shape(horrendous beep test, yoyo test and time trial results) as compared to Rowell who is as fit as a fiddle and built like a brick shithouse, Walsh was very well prepared physically and mentally as well. Cam gives me the impression that he just glided through junior footy and excelled on pure talent without working too hard, he is now working a lot harder on his game evidenced by his drop in weight and improved endurance, wont be at his best for another pre season or 2.

Kind of like how a pudgy John McEnroe would waltz through junior tournaments. A couple more preseasons more mid field time and watch him explode

 

[lionshine]

I'm still not sold. Still continuously drops marks he should take and more often than note, shanks his kicks or they just lack of penetration.

Per my previous post, I think that Port's trio of Rozee (pick 5), Butters (12) and Duursma (18) have each shown more that Rayner and they are only in their second year.

In this day and age, most top 5 and even first rounder picks are performing at a higher level immediately and I just don't see it was Rayner; we're still waiting for him to be in our top 5 players in a game let alone be BOG.

As I said, Rayner is improving, but the point of my post is that he is still a long way off performing at the level most first picks, top 10 picks or even first rounders are.

In the 2012 draft Whitfield went pick 1 and Mayes went pick 8. After their first two years in the league Mayes had played more games and shown a lot more. Now years down the track Mayes is a fringe player at his second club and a delist candidate whereas Whitfield is one of the best players in the game. Point being after the first 2-3 years of a players career those who look average may progress and those who look like future superstars can regress. I understand being a pick 1 and with the hype surrounding him people were hoping Cam would have an immediate impact but with his level of fitness it wasn't to be. I am still confident with what he has shown that he has star potential. Might take another couple of years like it did for De Goey and Petracca before he really hits his consistent best but I am confident he'll get there.

 

[T Rick]

In the 2012 draft Whitfield went pick 1 and Mayes went pick 8. After their first two years in the league Mayes had played more games and shown a lot more. Now years down the track Mayes is a fringe player at his second club and a delist candidate whereas Whitfield is one of the best players in the game. Point being after the first 2-3 years of a players career those who look average may progress and those who look like future superstars can regress. I understand being a pick 1 and with the hype surrounding him people were hoping Cam would have an immediate impact but with his level of fitness it wasn't to be. I am still confident with what he has shown that he has star potential. Might take another couple of years like it did for De Goey and Petracca before he really hits his consistent best but I am confident he'll get there.

Agreed - we are very fortunate to have Fages as his coach - someone prepared to nurture him, be patient but at the same time drive him to be his best self. Fages has perservered and pumped invaluable games into Cam that will hopefully pay us back in spades in due course.

 

[lionshine]

Agreed - we are very fortunate to have Fages as his coach - someone prepared to nurture him, be patient but at the same time drive him to be his best self. Fages has perservered and pumped invaluable games into Cam that will hopefully pay us back in spades in due course.

Yeah Fagan and the coaching team aren't stupid. They can see what Cam will offer for us down the track and that is a potential match winning star. Patience is key with this one.

 

[The Zork]

When he does eventually explode he will genuinely explode Rayner will.
Talking a 5-6 goal game with strong marks and 20 odd touches.
He is on the cusp of doing so I reckon.

He suffers maybe a bit from not being a focal point enough behind Charlie and the bigs. Caught between flying and staying down. Caught up the ground.
His body has changed a heap and looks super powerful but lean through the legs at the minute.
Very confident he will be a big game player for us.