List Mgmt. 2021 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals

[Ticky009]

Hi everyone, for those interested some great links plus the Big Footy Draft, Trade & Free Agency twitter as per below:

 

[rustycrate]

I think your wrong. Every thing indicates it was the go home factor in this one.

You are right Ticky!

 

[Ticky009]

I think it was the other way around. Swans are not dumb. They waited for Dawson to make a decision and then probably signed Parker to different terms. Dawson was always the prize.

Well, Charlie Gardiner said they were told today. Which doesn't line up the that theory Rusty.

 

[Swansujelly]

eh, just take pick 17 from Port, draft tommy mac's ruckman cousin and call it a day.

 

[rustycrate]

Well, Charlie Gardiner said they were told today. Which doesn't line up the that theory Rusty.

Charlie is the spokesperson for the club. or also known as the smokesreen for the club. That validates my theory.

 

[caesar88]

Dawson going probably means the SA market for Stephens & Hewett falls away a fair bit.

It might actually help us sign them both.

And I’d be happy with that.

Stephens I could give or take at this point. But if we can keep Hewett then I would almost consider the trade period redeemed. It seemed inevitable that this off-season we would lose one of Parker, Dawson or Hewett. Contrary to the majority on here, I have Hewett on par with the other two, so it really didn't make a difference to me which of the three left, as they all had their pros and cons (though selfishly, as an avid midfield enthusiast, losing Hewett would've stung the most.)

If we can somehow turn Dawson's departure into Hewett remaining, then the blow of losing Dawson would be eased by the fact we'd still have a very good player on our list.

What we really need to avoid is the double whammy of losing them both.

 

[mcs095]

My take (ignoring players because I don't know either list well enough to know who we might/might not want).

Very poor deal - 2nd rounder only
Poor deal - 2nd rounder + a swap of picks somewhere from the Fruit Tingles
Okay deal - 2nd rounder x2 (one this year, one next year) from the Fruit Tingles.
Decent - Port 1st round pick (either this year or next - most likely next) + some basic steak knives (2nd/3rd rounder next year perhaps?).
Almost good - Adelaide 1st rounder next year + a second round selection this year (this I think should be the minimum if it is the Fruit Tingles).
Good - Adelaide's No 4, even if its No 4 minus a little it (such as a swap of 2nd rd picks or similar).
Excellent - Good + something extra.

Adding in players make it all complicated, but that's my general take. Given our recent bargaining history as a club, I'm not overly hopeful of getting beyond an 'okay' deal, but we can hope, as I think our hand is (in relative terms) stronger then it often is for clubs with players with a guy out of contract.

All we have to say if a decent deal isn't offered by either Adelaide club to Dawson is 'How do you fancy playing for lol@norf or on the gold coast?', and follow it up with 'the 2 year offer is still there if you want it'. He might think the Fruit Tingles can manufacture a way for him to get through to them in the PSD, but I think I know what I'd prefer if I was him and the option was end up at either of those clubs, or hang out for a couple of years at a club which in that period could challenge for a flag, then name my price to go back to the place in relative proximity to my yearned for family home.

 

[SGBeach]

Stephens I could give or take at this point. But if we can keep Hewett then I would almost consider the trade period redeemed. It seemed inevitable that this off-season we would lose one of Parker, Dawson or Hewett. Contrary to the majority on here, I have Hewett on par with the other two, so it really didn't make a difference to me which of the three left, as they all had their pros and cons (though selfishly, as an avid midfield enthusiast, losing Hewett would've stung the most.)

If we can somehow turn Dawson's departure into Hewett remaining, then the blow of losing Dawson would be eased by the fact we'd still have a very good player on our list.

What we really need to avoid is the double whammy of losing them both.

Reckon Hewett still goes. Think Parkers contract sealed his fate.
Stephens is one that we'd watch over the next 10 years playing for someone else , and say why the f*** did we let him go
We've seen Hewett ceiling

 

[mcs095]

Stephens I could give or take at this point. But if we can keep Hewett then I would almost consider the trade period redeemed. It seemed inevitable that this off-season we would lose one of Parker, Dawson or Hewett. Contrary to the majority on here, I have Hewett on par with the other two, so it really didn't make a difference to me which of the three left, as they all had their pros and cons (though selfishly, as an avid midfield enthusiast, losing Hewett would've stung the most.)

If we can somehow turn Dawson's departure into Hewett remaining, then the blow of losing Dawson would be eased by the fact we'd still have a very good player on our list.

What we really need to avoid is the double whammy of losing them both.

I really like Hewett, but I don't think he has quite the same ability to influence a contest like Parker or Dawson has. I don't put him much behind those 2 to be honest, but like SGBeach, I tend to think he will still probably go.

As I said earlier, I think (rightly or wrongly) the club will see this as a good chance to create some 'clear air' in the salary cap space if Dawson does end up going, and create flexibiltiy going forward, and Hewett going is definitely part of that. I suspect they'll want to keep alive the option that we don't get a viable trade for Dawson and can convince him to stay the +2 years to get to free agency, and I think for that to be a live option, Hewett will still be the man on the chopping board.

I suspect we will keep Stephens now relatively comfortably - unless somehow he becomes an extra in a much more complex deal for Dawson from one of the Adelaide clubs. I think we need probably at least another 12 months before we are in a position to make a more fulsome judgment on where he career ceiling is likely to be.

 

[caesar88]

I really like Hewett, but I don't think he has quite the same ability to influence a contest like Parker or Dawson has. I don't put him much behind those 2 to be honest, but like SGBeach, I tend to think he will still probably go.

I think his influence on games is huge. Take away the stats sheet and highlight reels, he is pound for pound our best pure inside mid. If people think I would be upset at his departure, I could think of a few who would take it even worse than I would: McInerney, Gulden, Florent, Dawson, Heeney... the outside players who feast off his deft "vanilla" touches more than anyone else's. He is THE mid at extracting it from inside the contest to our prime ball users and movers distributing on the outside. His eyes look outwards when he gets it, not forward. The sign of a very good mid. In a game plan that literally revolves around those prime users and movers, I'd say it makes Hewett pretty important.

 

[Superstar swan]

Losing hewett and Dawson will cost us a few ladder positions

 

[Angry Red Bull]

Losing hewett and Dawson will cost us a few ladder positions

There is natural growth in the young remaining. I'm excited to see how the ones that didn't make it (like Campbell or McDonald) step up to par with Gulden who did and also see how those that did like Gulden and Warner become more important

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

eh, just take pick 17 from Port, draft tommy mac's ruckman cousin and call it a day.

Why not 4 from Adelaide?

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

I am as gutted as anyone about this.

But can we leave off with the hate? We don’t know his circumstances. We don’t know his missus’ circumstances. Or his or her family’s.

There’s a myriad of reasons why he might have changed his mind.

#bebetterbloods

 

[BruceFromBalnarring]

Yep, p17 + a player
and Port has numerous players we would want..

He said he didn't want to go to a side re-building

Wouldn’t mind Duursma.

 

[BloodySwan]

Every club will take Dawson if given the opportunity. If he goes into the PSD he won't make it to Adelaide. We can play hard with this trade, should be able to get something good in return

 

[BloodySwan]

Josh Gibcus is the player in the draft we need the most. Adelaide's pick gets us right in there for him

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

He had a very big contract offer.. Not the Swans fault, nor Buddys

Proof?

 

[BloodySwan]

Proof?

Sydney Swans statement: Jordan Dawson

The Sydney Swans can confirm that Jordan Dawson advised the club this afternoon of his desire to return home to South Australia.

www.sydneyswans.com.au

 

[Banyo Bloods]

So which West Coast ruck are we getting this time in a three way trade

 

[ShireSwan]

Pick 4 from the Crows should be the deal. What do you hope to get from a pick 4? A gun player, regular top 5 in your best and fairest...that's what they'll have with zero development risk or wait on development. Picks are incredibly over valued in the AFL IMO considering the risk/time factors.


Maybe we send that pick 4 to Carlton for Weitering if that other rumor is true.

If not, then the bright side there's now plenty of money to re-sign Sam Reid

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Sam Reid

Age

32

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

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11.3

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.0

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.4

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.4

3star

on big dollars.

 

[Cadsky]

So which West Coast ruck are we getting this time in a three way trade

That Vardy blokes still young. Just can't get a look in behind nicnat

 

[ShireSwan]

I guess my hope for the future is that as more academy boys like Heeney, Mills, Blakey, Braeden and Errol (why am I incapable of calling those two and Logan by their last-names?!) come through, we can find the next JPK and Parker in the interstate crew. Someone who will live and bleed for the club and embrace the Sydney lifestyle rather than focus on whatever it is back home that they're missing out on.

My money is on someone like a Warner being that type. He seems the right mix of easy-going, larrikin enough to call home wherever he hangs his hat, but passionate enough to believe in the club and have total loyalty to the cause. McInerney another one.

Any 18 year old still getting haircuts from mum is a big return home risk IMO.

Maybe we got to start looking more at prioritizing country kids.

 

[ShireSwan]

Call me cynic - but I don’t believe it.

it’s about money. Otherwise he could have told us earlier in the year like Jetta and Jones if it was legit about getting home for some BS “family” reason.

Once a decent jurno looks into it, I’m confident that’s the true story, only one that seems to line up all the facts.

Club will try to refute it- as admiring we are in a cap squeeze fu**s all your trading leverage (see pies 2020)

Maybe he's looking into what the next year will be like in Sydney with Covid and thinking less crowded Adelaide with family might be the way to go.
Plenty of potential family reasons we wouldn't have a clue about also. I think he was going to get paid here, so that's not the issue.

 

[Punts]

Watch us get absolutely ****ed over

What a shit day

Still can’t believe he is leaving , what a loss

 

[BloodySwan]

Any 18 year old still getting haircuts from mum is a big return home risk IMO.

Maybe we got to start looking more at prioritizing country kids.

Like Stephens?