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List Mgmt. 2021 Draft and Trade Hypotheticals
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There is no way in hell trading without consent comes in, the money just isn't enough to do that for any except the top handful of earners at each club.
Yes it can't happen for that very reason.
Moving house and moving states can be very expensive and for the players on even the average income for an AFL player they cannot be reasonably expected to pay that expense for something they did not even choose. Basically the AFL would be forcing them to take a $50,000 pay cut when you take into account selling their current home and then buying a new one.
I wish we had the American system so my kids would move out.
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You shouldn’t be able to nominate clubs though. Nominate a state sure but that’s it.
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Same with Melbourne and WA. That is until that said player qualifies for Free Agency
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I was gonna put this in the media thread but I'm scared of bedford. Herald Sun have re-ranked the top 10 of the last ten drafts, and it's pretty decent, albeit you could go back and forth over certain rankings, and I think it's kinda silly to be doing the 2020 draft after one year. But maybe the thing that stood out to me most is that aside from their great trading in recent years (May, Lever, Langdon etc), Melbourne have also done really well through the draft. Of the re-done drafts, they had bloody good representation:
2020 - Jake Bowey (#4)
2019 - Luke Jackson (#1), Kozzy Pickett (#3), Trent Rivers (#7)
2017 - Bayley Fritsch (#3)
2015 - Clayton Oliver (#1)
2014 - Christian Petracca (#1)
2013 - Christian Salem (#9)
So they've managed to end up with the three best players in the respective drafts in that time while also getting some bang for their buck with picks outside the top 10. All credit to them.
FWIW, the Swans had a good showing too:
2020 - Errol Gulden (#1)
2018 - James Rowbottom (#10)
2015 - Tom Papley (#4), Callum Mills (#5)
2014 - Isaac Heeney (#6)
2012 - Dane Rampe (#5), Jake Lloyd (#8)
And to his credit the journalist (Marc McGowan - a favourite of mine) did acknowledge others like Campbell, McCartin etc. who are still developing and/or haven't played enough yet.
2020 - Jake Bowey (#4)
2019 - Luke Jackson (#1), Kozzy Pickett (#3), Trent Rivers (#7)
2017 - Bayley Fritsch (#3)
2015 - Clayton Oliver (#1)
2014 - Christian Petracca (#1)
2013 - Christian Salem (#9)
So they've managed to end up with the three best players in the respective drafts in that time while also getting some bang for their buck with picks outside the top 10. All credit to them.
FWIW, the Swans had a good showing too:
2020 - Errol Gulden (#1)
2018 - James Rowbottom (#10)
2015 - Tom Papley (#4), Callum Mills (#5)
2014 - Isaac Heeney (#6)
2012 - Dane Rampe (#5), Jake Lloyd (#8)
And to his credit the journalist (Marc McGowan - a favourite of mine) did acknowledge others like Campbell, McCartin etc. who are still developing and/or haven't played enough yet.
Draft Advent Calendar
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Advent Calendar Draft Day 18:
Let's talk Joe Scanlan who wore #18. A tough defender & Bloods captain in 1928, 30-31 who played 148 games. When the Bloods signed the great Laurie Nash, it was Scanlan as South Melbourne committee member who was smuggled on board a steamer when he travelled to Tasmania to avoid tipping anyone in the media off.
So when next we talk Tippett/Franklin secret signings...remember the above and know we have form!
Let's talk Joe Scanlan who wore #18. A tough defender & Bloods captain in 1928, 30-31 who played 148 games. When the Bloods signed the great Laurie Nash, it was Scanlan as South Melbourne committee member who was smuggled on board a steamer when he travelled to Tasmania to avoid tipping anyone in the media off.
So when next we talk Tippett/Franklin secret signings...remember the above and know we have form!
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Highlights now up of a couple of guys who have been discussed in these here parts;
Only observation I'd make and obviously just two minutes of highlights, but Bazzo does seem to double grab a bit.
Only observation I'd make and obviously just two minutes of highlights, but Bazzo does seem to double grab a bit.
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And possibly a third option;
(I do like the casual way he just holds the ball in one hand at ~1.04)
Williams 195cm, 95kg late birthday (1 Dec 2003).
Played mostly fwd;
2021 averages: 14.5 disposals, 9.2 hitouts, 5.9 marks, 2.7 goals per game (WAFL colts)
Coming from a basketball background, the 17-year-old has only focused solely on footy the past few years.
WAFC STATE TALENT MANAGER ADAM JONES SAYS:
Full write up here from rookieme (ex draftcentral)
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I know Williams is seen primarily as a fwd, but I don't see any particular reason why he couldn't transition to defence.
Twomey has JVR ranked 21, Bazzo 33 and Wiliams 34 in his October ratings.
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(I do like the casual way he just holds the ball in one hand at ~1.04)
Williams 195cm, 95kg late birthday (1 Dec 2003).
Played mostly fwd;
2021 averages: 14.5 disposals, 9.2 hitouts, 5.9 marks, 2.7 goals per game (WAFL colts)
Coming from a basketball background, the 17-year-old has only focused solely on footy the past few years.
WAFC STATE TALENT MANAGER ADAM JONES SAYS:
Full write up here from rookieme (ex draftcentral)
Jack Williams
central.rookieme.com
I know Williams is seen primarily as a fwd, but I don't see any particular reason why he couldn't transition to defence.
Twomey has JVR ranked 21, Bazzo 33 and Wiliams 34 in his October ratings.
Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' October ranking
In this bumper edition, Cal Twomey ranks a whopping 35 players in the 2021 draft pool
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Kiama Chris said "I have said before and say again the AFL needs to fund academies in each state."
The Northern state Academies is the one and only small advantage they have over the major states. Why would they (we) want this evened out for all clubs. They already have a huge advantage over the northern states with "I want to go home" draftees".
I can think of a lot of places I would rather not live in.
I suppose each club would need to offer the player the same terms.
Yes, I imagine the player in question can set the terms but any club that meets those terms are allowed to participate in the trade negotiations and the team that has the player now is allowed to trade the player to any club that meets the players terms in terms of contract length and overall salary.
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Put this here, rather than former player thread, as he was cut in this list management period.
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Article does outline the rotten luck he had with injuries, including injuring his ankle on the mornnig of Sydney's flight out of NSW to avoid lockdown and missing 8 weeks.
Hope this guy gets a decent injury free run, probably at state league level next season, to show his wares.
(As an aside as with Kaiden Brand, Ling shows his professionalism, unlike Sam Gray).
Injury-free Matt Ling keeps fingers crossed with AFL list spots at premium
After four games in four seasons at the Swans, Matt Ling is more ready to play AFL now than he was when a first round draft pick. But he is asking the same question as many of his peers: will he get another chance?
Article does outline the rotten luck he had with injuries, including injuring his ankle on the mornnig of Sydney's flight out of NSW to avoid lockdown and missing 8 weeks.
Hope this guy gets a decent injury free run, probably at state league level next season, to show his wares.
(As an aside as with Kaiden Brand, Ling shows his professionalism, unlike Sam Gray).
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Put this here, rather than former player thread, as he was cut in this list management period.
Injury-free Matt Ling keeps fingers crossed with AFL list spots at premium
After four games in four seasons at the Swans, Matt Ling is more ready to play AFL now than he was when a first round draft pick. But he is asking the same question as many of his peers: will he get another chance?
Article does outline the rotten luck he had with injuries, including injuring his ankle on the mornnig of Sydney's flight out of NSW to avoid lockdown and missing 8 weeks.
Hope this guy gets a decent injury free run, probably at state league level next season, to show his wares.
(As an aside as with Kaiden Brand, Ling shows his professionalism, unlike Sam Gray).
He worked hard but unfortunately things didn’t go his way, but his body looked cooked when he was given a chance. He was so slow and lacked any explosiveness whatsoever
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I hope Ling can make it, but as Superstar swan said, he lost everything that made him a first round pick. He was a fast classy ball user who couldn't take the game on and struggled to hit targets...Put this here, rather than former player thread, as he was cut in this list management period.
Injury-free Matt Ling keeps fingers crossed with AFL list spots at premium
After four games in four seasons at the Swans, Matt Ling is more ready to play AFL now than he was when a first round draft pick. But he is asking the same question as many of his peers: will he get another chance?
Article does outline the rotten luck he had with injuries, including injuring his ankle on the mornnig of Sydney's flight out of NSW to avoid lockdown and missing 8 weeks.
Hope this guy gets a decent injury free run, probably at state league level next season, to show his wares.
(As an aside as with Kaiden Brand, Ling shows his professionalism, unlike Sam Gray).
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Put this here, rather than former player thread, as he was cut in this list management period.
Injury-free Matt Ling keeps fingers crossed with AFL list spots at premium
After four games in four seasons at the Swans, Matt Ling is more ready to play AFL now than he was when a first round draft pick. But he is asking the same question as many of his peers: will he get another chance?
Article does outline the rotten luck he had with injuries, including injuring his ankle on the mornnig of Sydney's flight out of NSW to avoid lockdown and missing 8 weeks.
Hope this guy gets a decent injury free run, probably at state league level next season, to show his wares.
(As an aside as with Kaiden Brand, Ling shows his professionalism, unlike Sam Gray).
The pile on Sam Gray is completely misguided and unnecessary
He was asked a question and answered honestly, he shouldn’t be criticised for that. The club isn’t perfect, nor is it above criticism
FWIW James Bell isn’t AFL standard and was gifted games all season above the likes of Gray, he’s got every right to be miffed
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It’s hard to be too harsh on Gray. We don’t know what was sold to him when he was recruited to the club. Yea he didn’t really deserve many games but like you said neither did others like bell. Would be frustrating for a player to see their career fall apart while others get a bit extra lee way
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Will Dean or Aleer make it as far as 16? Josh Gibcus look as though he will go very early. These are the three LPB Sheehan picks out of the mob. I am not a huge draft watcher I admit so have no idea.
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He chose to go onto radio to have a go at his previous employer.
It was unnecessary, it achieved nothing, it was unprofessional.
I'm assuming you didn't watch the reserves.
Throughout the season Gray played for himself. By comparison another experienced player in Clarke did all the things you expect a midfielder to do, including blocking, shepherding, the 1%s.
Gray is nearly 30, he's played over 100 games at AFL level.
He complained about feedback and direction from the coaches and said it wasn't up to the level he received at Port.
He was delisted by Port at the end of 2019, after playing 20 games in the season. So I suppose that is a fair level of feedback.
Maybe I'm harsh on Gray but I really dislike individuals who publicly have a go at their previous employer for perceived affronts.
And how many of our former players have had a go at the coaches/club like he did?
Brand and Ling certainly haven't.
You know maybe Gray is the issue, not anyone else and he should be called out for it.
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You forget game breakers come in very different forms. At Melbourne Max is definitely a game breaker. Same applies to Hickey and Warner here. Any player who has an X factor can be a game breaker. Petracca, Fitsch, Rivers etc.
Foot skills and good decision making are imperative in the new model mid. The old adage of he only needs to be a battering ram don't cut it anymore. The great sides all have very good decision makers in the mids. Dees are a great example. They are the one to model on. Not the older style of Cats and Hawks. Both Cats and Hawks mids got slaughtered last season. They make bad decisions, give the ball up and are far too slow. Both need an injection of speed and good decision makers.
We are building a midfield made up of sharp, quick, strong mids who make good decisions.
Mills: Can give the ball up with a lapse of concentration but field kicking is generally sound and he makes good decisions by hand and foot.
Rowbottom: A bullocker and wriggle. He sees ball gets ball. He also uses ball well. Able to extract when most would give it up as a dead ball. Hand and foot skills good.
Parker: Sometimes makes dreadful decisions both by foot and hand but field delivery is generally good. Just needs to take the better option at times not the closest. Needs to stop that indiscriminate kick out of packs.
Florent: Clever little bugger. This bloke is the classic rover in the Bartlett fashion. Run through, take ball off ruck hands and run, run, run. His decision making and delivery can let him down. Lack of concentration or understanding of what forwards want is a problem. But when he gets it right he is sensational. He also has the ability to dodge and weave through traffic. Clever.
Warner: Hard as steel and twice as dangerous as a sword. He hits packs at speed. He gets ball out or he receives and flies. Very fast and strong through the hips. Good luck tackling him. His delivery could use some tweeking but usually very good. By hand perfect.
Papley: Speed daemon out of the centre. His disposal is elite and not too many are going to catch him.
Heeney: Rarely visits the centre square these days but his ability to take the ball away from an opponent's hands is uncanny. He delivers well both by foot or hand. Makes the odd clanger due to overthinking.
Gulden: gets in, gets it, goes. His disposal is elite and his decision making is almost perfect. Draws frees, due to height. Lethal left foot. Mcdonald is going to love his delivery next season. Not to mention Bud
Campbell: Similar to Gulden. Not as aggressive. Lethal left foot. Hands are lightning. Fast, fast, fast. Mcdonald is going to love his delivery going forward. Not to mention Bud
Sheather: From what I have seen he has improved with every outing. Hard, delivers well and makes good decisions. No frills mid.
Ronke: This bloke came to the Swans as a mid not a small forward. He is better suited there as far as I am concerned. Benny is really hard in and under. Putting him back into the mids might get his confidence back. He has ability but no confidence due to ongoing injuries.
We need another player who can make good decisions, deliver and has speed as well as bulk.
But do we take a mid at 16? Possibly. But we do need a key back and the best ones are available in the front part of the draft. Our second pick will still get a pretty sound mid.
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