Analysis 2021 draft thread

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A few stories about this morning that clubs are coming hard at GWS pick 2/ they might be willing to trade. The idea is that they would be more interested in Gibcus or Andrew and that a pick that satisfies that might be an option. Unfortunately that's not us, but I wonder if we could try. Offer 14, 18 and next year's first for pick 2 and a future 2nd round pick? Then we could take Callahan at 2, Banks or similar at 41and maybe a mature age KPD late or in the rookie draft allowing is to upgrade Madden. I had a look at points to see how that works and we would likely be paying a premium of a couple hundred point in that scenario. Would anyone do that? Would GWS?
 

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A few stories about this morning that clubs are coming hard at GWS pick 2/ they might be willing to trade. The idea is that they would be more interested in Gibcus or Andrew and that a pick that satisfies that might be an option. Unfortunately that's not us, but I wonder if we could try. Offer 14, 18 and next year's first for pick 2 and a future 2nd round pick? Then we could take Callahan at 2, Banks or similar at 41and maybe a mature age KPD late or in the rookie draft allowing is to upgrade Madden. I had a look at points to see how that works and we would likely be paying a premium of a couple hundred point in that scenario. Would anyone do that? Would GWS?
Personally I wouldn’t just because I don’t view Callaghan as that much better than the rest of the first round.
 
Personally I wouldn’t just because I don’t view Callaghan as that much better than the rest of the first round.
YEah fair enough. If we did see him as the clear number 2/3 mid in the draft I would be pretty keen on him. Bear in mind the second and third mids in drafts from 2015 are; Oliver and Parish, Tarranto and Clugga, Brayshaw and Dow, Rozzee and Smith, Anderson and Stephens, Campbell and Hollands. That's a pretty impressive list.
 
Article in the Limited News sites this morning pumping up Casey Voss's chances of being drafted this year as a mature ager. I presume we're still able to take him under father-son if we were still interested?
 
Would love to see Casey Voss get a chance on our Rookie list. 21 years old and Sturt's B&F winner is impressive. My guess is that we don't have any list spots to allow for this, unless we use something like pick 41. Wouldn't surprise me to see him get picked up by someone.
 
https://www.espn.com.au/afl/story/_...**********-espn-early-two-round-phantom-draft

Knightmare 's latest phantom draft has my (realistic) dream pair of selections for us: Goater and Wilmot. Interestingly, the writeup for Goater sounds like he's everything we want in a half-back - good run and carry and strong intercept marking. Much like Starcevich, he sounds like a good pick for his defensive potential alone, and any midfield time would be a nice bonus.
 
even if he is a late bloomer, zero chance of Carlton winning a premiership anytime soon
And little chance of playing for Carlton you would think. Maybe Vossy's old mates MaCrae/ Leppa might pull a string or two at Collingwood. They would be looking for a few late selections too, with all their picks getting wiped out.
 

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Do we really need to draft another hb/small med defender. We have Coleman, Madden, Answerth, Prior pushing for that spot and Carter Michael, Uosis developing. Seems like we have that area covered for a cpl of years at least.

Sm/med fwds and mid/fwds we have plenty of as well.

I'm thinking we need a tall fwd, outside Joe, Hippy n Mcstay, it's Fullerton n H Smith and Smith is probably more a fwd/ruck, ruck/fwd than anything. If there's a good one we could get this year jump on him. They take more time to develop, the sooner we get one the better.

Even a tall defender, Andrews n Payne are our only genuine tall defenders, with Gardiner and Adams capable of playing tall. All are somewhat injury prone. Harris now has a knee problem that hindered the back end of this season. That could become more serious and recurring.

I don't think we need midfielders either, not after Devrob stood up this year and Ashcroft is expected to come on board next year. Quality both of them and should leapfrog our mid depth quickly.

Hard to know what the club is thinking, what they are likely to do. We have previously just taken the best talent available, regardless of the position they play. So I'd reckon that's the way they will go. Trade for needs n draft for talent has worked pretty well over the last 4-5yrs.
 
Do we really need to draft another hb/small med defender. We have Coleman, Madden, Answerth, Prior pushing for that spot and Carter Michael, Uosis developing. Seems like we have that area covered for a cpl of years at least.

Sm/med fwds and mid/fwds we have plenty of as well.

I'm thinking we need a tall fwd, outside Joe, Hippy n Mcstay, it's Fullerton n H Smith and Smith is probably more a fwd/ruck, ruck/fwd than anything. If there's a good one we could get this year jump on him. They take more time to develop, the sooner we get one the better.

Even a tall defender, Andrews n Payne are our only genuine tall defenders, with Gardiner and Adams capable of playing tall. All are somewhat injury prone. Harris now has a knee problem that hindered the back end of this season. That could become more serious and recurring.

I don't think we need midfielders either, not after Devrob stood up this year and Ashcroft is expected to come on board next year. Quality both of them and should leapfrog our mid depth quickly.

Hard to know what the club is thinking, what they are likely to do. We have previously just taken the best talent available, regardless of the position they play. So I'd reckon that's the way they will go. Trade for needs n draft for talent has worked pretty well over the last 4-5yrs.
I’ve answered the bolded part.

Short answer is there’s only one, and he likely goes before our first pick.

Long answer is there’s only one, and he likely goes before our first pick. There are a few defenders, one likely goes before our first pick, then there’s another three who should go in the early to middle second round.

Next year looks to be loaded for KPP’s.
 
I'm thinking we need a tall fwd, outside Joe, Hippy n Mcstay, it's Fullerton n H Smith and Smith is probably more a fwd/ruck, ruck/fwd than anything. If there's a good one we could get this year jump on him. They take more time to develop, the sooner we get one the better.
Personally I don't see us taking a tall with the idea of playing them forward, as you've mentioned we will already have Fullarton, H Smith, Fort and Lane all mixing between key forward and ruck over the next couple season in the VFL so I don't see the need for a key forward. Key defender on the other hand I do see a need for with now only Payne and Lester as the taller defenders in the reserves.
 
Do we really need to draft another hb/small med defender. We have Coleman, Madden, Answerth, Prior pushing for that spot and Carter Michael, Uosis developing. Seems like we have that area covered for a cpl of years at least.
Yes.
We certainly have plenty of players capable of playing there, and I'm not knocking them, it's just worth noting they all have caveats. Starcevich might be ready to play midfield where we need a point of difference, Coleman and Ah Chee may be better suited at HFF, Prior may be better suited at wing, Answerth needs to work his way back from injury and Madden might never make it at senior level. And Rich is 32. Because there are several unknowns here, maybe it's better to say that it's not not a need, because we're not set there the way we are with KPPs.

Who we pick isn't necessarily about positional need anyway. As the club brains trust have said, draft for talent, trade for need. The most talented kids available at our picks may just be HBFs, because the draft is full of talented HBFs and it's a position that isn't all that highly valued around the league. But we know the benefit of having strong ball users in defence.
 

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