List Mgmt. 2021 Trade, FA and Draft Chat

[Cameron_Jezza]

Means we have 6 spots for them.

Congrats on the flag. I would suggest trading your 2022r2 for richmond pick 40,44 to get the picks to help fill your 6 lost spots.

 

[Blackas87]

This is what interests me about Andrew and where he goes. All the reports are he’s physically raw even with his talent; he’s going to need serious development time though given how undersized he is. But the pressure will come to play him.

Knightmare’s draft page I think has him, 70kg 200cm. I looked up some 2008 mock drafts a few weeks back and Jack Watts I think was 82kg 196cm. Naitanui was over 100kg from memory, Luke Jackson and Brodie Grundy were over 90kg. Ugle-Hagan was 90kg.

Reckon there is a big risk on taking him in the top 10 at least, might be a chance he slips outside the top 20. Although his highlights video on YouTube he does look very impressive although they are highlights.

 

[TheBoss]

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I wonder how much the Tom Boyd/Footscray deal influenced their decision. That really skewed the market value of young KPF's. Maybe the rationale was to draft one now, rather than ~$1M plus trade currency when you are in the premiership window

 

[Proper Gander]

Swinging wildly to an entirely different thought, I’m glad Melbourne has hit its straps now because for the first time ever I am starting to believe that the Tassy team idea will actually get up. Obviously it will be 5 years or so in the planning, but once it arrives we are right back in the land of the compromised draft.

 

[LeverPuller]

Swinging wildly to an entirely different thought, I’m glad Melbourne has hit its straps now because for the first time ever I am starting to believe that the Tassy team idea will actually get up. Obviously it will be 5 years or so in the planning, but once it arrives we are right back in the land of the compromised draft.

The public push is on but I don’t know if it’ll get the support of the Presidents. Needs 75% and Cochrane is firmly against it so there’s one already.

 

[Bluelegs]

Swinging wildly to an entirely different thought, I’m glad Melbourne has hit its straps now because for the first time ever I am starting to believe that the Tassy team idea will actually get up. Obviously it will be 5 years or so in the planning, but once it arrives we are right back in the land of the compromised draft.

For us the best time for them to come in would probably within the next couple of years.

Gold Coast/GWS arrival made things really hard for rebuilding clubs at the time. Between that and free agency being introduced it helped the top teams sustain their success for longer imo.

 

[Proper Gander]

For us the best time for them to come in would probably within the next couple of years.

Gold Coast/GWS arrival made things really hard for rebuilding clubs at the time. Between that and free agency being introduced it helped the top teams sustain their success for longer imo.

Good point. Go Clarko!

Interesting how his new focus almost seems tailor-made to seriously undermine the financial position of the Hawks. I wouldn’t personally want an angry Clarko working against my interests.

 

[Proper Gander]

The public push is on but I don’t know if it’ll get the support of the Presidents. Needs 75% and Cochrane is firmly against it so there’s one already.

I don’t see Cochrane lasting too much longer in that role. He’s genuinely crazy plus is absolutely not in any position to oppose the wishes of the AFL at this point. Not that that would stop him, what with being crazy, but the AFL will find some way to screw him if he steps too far out of line

 

[Bluelegs]

The public push is on but I don’t know if it’ll get the support of the Presidents. Needs 75% and Cochrane is firmly against it so there’s one already.

Can't remember where I read it but I think that is a misunderstanding. The AFL can choose to put up a new team and 75% of clubs are required to overturn it.

 

[Bluelegs]

Good point. Go Clarko!

Interesting how his new focus almost seems tailor-made to seriously undermine the financial position of the Hawks. I wouldn’t personally want an angry Clarko working against my interests.

Kennett Curse part 2 is looking good early.

 

[00Stinger]

I wonder how much the Tom Boyd/Footscray deal influenced their decision. That really skewed the market value of young KPF's. Maybe the rationale was to draft one now, rather than ~$1M plus trade currency when you are in the premiership window

100% this was the case

Reiwoldt retiring and Boyd getting offered $1m despite doing nothing spooked them

There is an article on the 14 Draft board a Saints poster put up yesterday pretty much confirming it. Pretty much says mids are a dime a dozen but KPF's are a rare commodity. I still think that this thought pattern is ****ing stupid. There may be many midfielders but the top midfielders win games, thats why the Brownlow, AFLCA, MVP and basically any award that isn't the Colman is dominated by them

 

[LeverPuller]

100% this was the case

Reiwoldt retiring and Boyd getting offered $1m despite doing nothing spooked them

There is an article on the 14 Draft board a Saints poster put up yesterday pretty much confirming it. Pretty much says mids are a dime a dozen but KPF's are a rare commodity. I still think that this thought pattern is ******* stupid. There may be many midfielders but the top midfielders win games, thats why the Brownlow, AFLCA, MVP and basically any award that isn't the Colman is dominated by them

Yeah but it’s also about how you can get mids deeper in the draft but the KPFs don’t exist.

That said I do agree it’s harder to find elite mids deeper anyway so it’s the six-half dozen argument.

 

[00Stinger]

Yeah but it’s also about how you can get mids deeper in the draft but the KPFs don’t exist.

That said I do agree it’s harder to find elite mids deeper anyway so it’s the six-half dozen argument.

A great KPF is useless without the ball getting down there and with the way the game is played these days big forwards aren't the dominate force they use to be

I reckon when you have a top 5 pick you go the best available

Lower first round picks and later round picks go for needs imo

 

[The Dr]

Can't remember where I read it but I think that is a misunderstanding. The AFL can choose to put up a new team and 75% of clubs are required to overturn it.

This is correct. If the AFL recommends a Tas team, 75% of presidents must vote against it for it to be shot down.


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[Dory_77]

Given the $ that COVID has wiped from the league I think a Tassie team getting started before '28/'29 would be surprising.

 

[Dogga6]

I'll have a crack as well.

Jetta, Vanders, Mitch Brown and Jones will all retire.
Delist: Baker, Lockhart, Nietschke, Bradke,
Trade: Weideman.

I think they'll keep Daw for another year. The likes of Bedford and Hore go onto the rookie list perhaps. Though a part of me thinks they'll just delist Hore especially as he's pretty much behind Tomlinson and Joel Smith. Hibberd will get another year on the list as well. Will be kept purely as depth alone.

So already that's 9-10 blokes above that could make way.

Why would you delist Lockhart?

I was close.

Surprised we kept Mitch Brown but can understand why. Thought they would have delisted Bake also.

 

[LeverPuller]

I was close.

Surprised we kept Mitch Brown but can understand why. Thought they would have delisted Bake also.

I reckon with the minimum picks they have and the lack of exposed form they’ll go to the draft with the bare minimum and try and roll over as many as possible. Lockhart the surprise but with Hore and Tomlinson back, Hibb going around again and Smith in favour it’s hard to see him breaking into the side. Nietschke injured, Bradtke hasn’t come on and vdB not breaking in with Bedford and Chandler lurking

 

[Dory_77]

Surprised both of Daw and MBrown got another gig (esp with Weid staying), but handy to have depth. List is looking pretty solid imo, assume Baker, Bedford, Chandler get another year.

 

[rhaz]

Mitch would be on close to minimum AFL wage you would think, and of course you would take that to stay in the system. I kinda like him, whenever he plays, it's just to fill a gap temporarily and he generally does a good enough job.

 

[00Stinger]

Given the $ that COVID has wiped from the league I think a Tassie team getting started before '28/'29 would be surprising.

Maybe, but the Tassie government also knows with the $$$'s wiped from covid that the AFL needs the $10m they put into the AFL for games to be played down in Tassie. So this is very opportunistic from the Tasmanian government to put an ultimatum towards the AFL on a deadline for a team or they potentially pull their cash out

 

[Dory_77]

Maybe, but the Tassie government also knows with the $$$'s wiped from covid that the AFL needs the $10m they put into the AFL for games to be played down in Tassie. So this is very opportunistic from the Tasmanian government to put an ultimatum towards the AFL on a deadline for a team or they potentially pull their cash out

Good point. With a federal election soon the major parties might tip some $ that way too if anything is announced in the near future of the AFLs plan.

 

[schmuttt]

Mitch would be on close to minimum AFL wage you would think, and of course you would take that to stay in the system. I kinda like him, whenever he plays, it's just to fill a gap temporarily and he generally does a good enough job.

Also still fondly remember him getting smashed a few times late in 2020 backing into packs. Guy would have known he was 50/50 to keep his list spot but still left everything out there for the club.

 

[Gysberts2Bate]

Paywalls but apparently the Giants are looking at taking Mac Andrew with pick 2: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...s/news-story/d70d564997b776e1e99b999f8ef01645

Short of getting him as an academy player ourselves this is almost the perfect outcome for us. GWS leak players like a sieve. Every chance he gets homesick in two years and we can tempt him back. Kid is a Luke Jackson

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Luke Jackson

Age

23

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

3star

K

3.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

clone (who the Giants were desperate for in 2019).

 

[MartinPrince]

Paywalls but apparently the Giants are looking at taking Mac Andrew with pick 2: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...s/news-story/d70d564997b776e1e99b999f8ef01645

Short of getting him as an academy player ourselves this is almost the perfect outcome for us. GWS leak players like a sieve. Every chance he gets homesick in two years and we can tempt him back. Kid is a Luke Jackson clone (who the Giants were desperate for in 2019).

I hope so. Filthy we will likely miss out on him.

 

[netslave]

Paywalls but apparently the Giants are looking at taking Mac Andrew with pick 2: https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/...s/news-story/d70d564997b776e1e99b999f8ef01645

Pick 2 will be a bit of a reach won't it? I thought he would be a top 20 player.

 

[Crusty Demon]

Luke Jackson

9

Luke Jackson

Age

23

Ht

199cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

F/R

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

2star

K

3.3

1star

HB

5.0

3star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

0.3

3star

D

8.3

3star

K

3.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

1.5

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

0.3

3star

has changed the game really. Clubs will be looking for the next Dogga and will pay overs to try and find one like him. Andrew looks to have the physical capabilities but I'm nowhere near convinced he has the football smarts Dogga does. Time will tell.