List Mgmt. 2021 Trade, FA and Draft Chat

[Cameron_Jezza]

Means we have 6 spots for them.

Congrats on the flag. I would suggest trading your 2022r2 for richmond pick 40,44 to get the picks to help fill your 6 lost spots.

 

[danster168]

There's no way Hawks let Gunston go for pick 30-45

I think we do. he's nearing 30 with a year out of the game due to injury. His currency is low.
Nonetheless, if we could get him this cheap, would u then be interested?

 

[Crusty Demon]

Imagine finishing 2nd last and then having the 4th worst draft hand!? WTF have Collingwood done!?

 

[The Dr]

Imagine finishing 2nd last and then having the 4th worst draft hand!? WTF have Collingwood done!?

Plus they’re still paying Treloar. Plus they are still way over this year’s cap. Plus they traded away pick 2. Plus they need more points points for Discos.

It’s so good.


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[jhong]

Imagine winning the flag and still crapping on about something . I can't .

 

[Grimesy87]

This aged.

Always one

Always own up but I just pass on what my mate tells me. Generally, been pretty reliable.

 

[Bluelegs]

This aged.

In fairness he never said who 'them' was

 

[00Stinger]

 

[LeverPuller]

Plus they’re still paying Treloar. Plus they are still way over this year’s cap. Plus they traded away pick 2. Plus they need more points points for Discos.

It’s so good.


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It’s kind of the best part of this.

Collingwood fans are hoping Nick Daicos is the messiah…now where have I heard that before…

Wonder if he will debut on QB?

 

[rhaz]

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Finally got lucky.

Interesting in the draft video from 2019, Richardson was one of the coaches that was saying we should draft Jackson with #3.

 

[danster168]

Finally got lucky.

Interesting in the draft video from 2019, Richardson was one of the coaches that was saying we should draft Jackson with #3.

which draft video? can u link me?

 

[rhaz]

which draft video? can u link me?

Sorry i was wrong, it was in episode 3 of 'to hell and back'

 

[LeverPuller]

Finally got lucky.

Interesting in the draft video from 2019, Richardson was one of the coaches that was saying we should draft Jackson with #3.

I think there’s a fair bit of revision going on with McCartin. There was huge pressure on the Saints to pick a key forward - their leading goalkicker was Riewoldt and the club was a real shambles with how Watters was sacked and their on field collapse. They still had Montagna, had just brought in Savage and seemingly had addressed the mids with both Billings and Dunstan.

It’s as much about the concussions as anything, and no one could have predicted that.

 

[schmuttt]

I think there’s a fair bit of revision going on with McCartin. There was huge pressure on the Saints to pick a key forward - their leading goalkicker was Riewoldt and the club was a real shambles with how Watters was sacked and their on field collapse. They still had Montagna, had just brought in Savage and seemingly had addressed the mids with both Billings and Dunstan.

It’s as much about the concussions as anything, and no one could have predicted that.

McCartin was a terrible pick but I do agree that their mids looked alright - Dunstan and Billings were really promising in their early years.

 

[00Stinger]

I think there’s a fair bit of revision going on with McCartin. There was huge pressure on the Saints to pick a key forward - their leading goalkicker was Riewoldt and the club was a real shambles with how Watters was sacked and their on field collapse. They still had Montagna, had just brought in Savage and seemingly had addressed the mids with both Billings and Dunstan.

It’s as much about the concussions as anything, and no one could have predicted that.

when a recruiter is willing to put his name to the comments that 17 other clubs had Trac at 1, that is pretty damning.

This is why you don't let coaches over ride recruiters

Years back when Melbourne took Luke Molan at pick 8 or what ever in the 2001 superdraft one of Melbournes recruiters lived down the road from me. He told me at the time the recruiters didn't want him but Daniher made them draft the KPF, he never played a game.

The same guy told me than Michael Newton would take MOTY at some stage and that was his guy he scouted the most (he got that part right just a pity he couldn't play footy) and he also told me our list was in great shape just before we went through 10 years of shitness so maybe now I think about it he wasn't that great at his job

 

[LeverPuller]

McCartin was a terrible pick but I do agree that their mids looked alright - Dunstan and Billings were really promising in their early years.

He was but we were also in the context of the GC/GWS entry years where Lynch, Patton, Boyd and Cameron were all never available, Hogan had just effectively come in for multiple firsts to the Dees and where we had specifically seen the Dogs give up Griffen, pick 6 and $6mil over 7 to get Boyd. The KPF market was insanely hot and they thought they were on the bounce and took him based on that.

Yes in hindsight it was awful given what has happened to McCartin but on principle at the time I remember there was a fair bit of logic in the thought pattern, and the question was whether McCartin was the guy.

 

[Dancing Potato]

Wonder if Hore could get a decent run whether he could fill Hibbo's role.

I absolutely think he can and I hope we keep him on.

 

[Bluelegs]

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The funny thing is Richo was a big advocate for picking Jackson when he came to us. You win some you lose some I guess.

 

[Bluelegs]

Also Rendell is a massive captain hindsight so take what he says with a grain of salt.

 

[Grimesy87]

Also Rendell is a massive captain hindsight so take what he says with a grain of salt.

He's an absolute potato

 

[TylerDurden]

There's no way Hawks let Gunston go for pick 30-45

No chance.

 

[Jibroni]

Matt Rendell makes a Sandra Sully news update seem relevant.

 

[Russian Demon]

The issue I have with Gunston is that he plays the same role as Fritsch. He's lost his pace and isn't big enough to contest the high ball in a way that will at keast bring it to ground.

To bring him in means either we lose forward pressure (spargo/Koz) or pack smashing to bring to ground (TMac/Brown) - or we drop our leading goalkicker who plays in a similar way.

He's a great player, but i dont see what we compromise to get him in the starting 22 guarenteed?

 

[Andy_Mac]

The issue I have with Gunston is that he plays the same role as Fritsch. He's lost his pace and isn't big enough to contest the high ball in a way that will at keast bring it to ground.

To bring him in means either we lose forward pressure (spargo/Koz) or pack smashing to bring to ground (TMac/Brown) - or we drop our leading goalkicker who plays in a similar way.

He's a great player, but i dont see what we compromise to get him in the starting 22 guarenteed?

Spot on. Gunston isn't in our best 22. You can't play Fritta and Gunston, and Fritta is better.

 

[Blackas87]

We don’t need Gunston or anyone really. We have a young list and should be focusing on securing them long term over paying other players to come here.

21 and under we have a ruckman in Jackson, Key defender in Petty, Midfielders in Sparrow and Jordan, small medium defenders in Bowey and Rivers, and small forwards in Spargo, Pickett and Laurie.

We need a young key forward to go with that group and should focus on improving our draft hand. Not sure who is available in the draft, Mac Andrew would be perfect as a 3-4 year development project (just like Petty) and be ready for when Ben Brown

50

Ben Brown

Age

32

Ht

200cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.7

3star

K

7.7

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

4.8

5star

T

1.2

3star

G

2.2

5star

D

7.9

2star

K

6.3

3star

HB

1.6

1star

M

3.7

4star

T

0.9

2star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.4

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.4

4star

G

1.2

4star

and Tom McDonald

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Tom Mcdonald

Age

32

Ht

195cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.4

4star

K

9.7

4star

HB

6.7

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.9

4star

MG

261.8

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

5.0

2star

HB

3.0

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

0.6

1star

MG

135.6

2star

D

13.8

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

7.0

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.4

4star

(both basically 29) are no longer up to the standard. If not Mac someone else.

 

[LeverPuller]

We don’t need Gunston or anyone really. We have a young list and should be focusing on securing them long term over paying other players to come here.

21 and under we have a ruckman in Jackson, Key defender in Petty, Midfielders in Sparrow and Jordan, small medium defenders in Bowey and Rivers, and small forwards in Spargo, Pickett and Laurie.

We need a young key forward to go with that group and should focus on improving our draft hand. Not sure who is available in the draft, Mac Andrew would be perfect as a 3-4 year development project (just like Petty) and be ready for when Ben Brown and Tom McDonald (both basically 29) are no longer up to the standard. If not Mac someone else.

This is what interests me about Andrew and where he goes. All the reports are he’s physically raw even with his talent; he’s going to need serious development time though given how undersized he is. But the pressure will come to play him.