List Mgmt. 2021 Trade Targets

[Chopperdave]

Wingard was contracted.

Once you've declared you don't want a player at your club, it's advantage opposition team.

When did we say we didn't want Ladhams at the club?

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

Not if they are contracted we don't.

If that's the case they just have to wait 12 months for him to be out of contract.

 

[PortVic]

Collingwood desperate to get draft points for Daicos. We bid on Tyler Brown

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Tyler Brown

Age

24

Ht

192cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

7.0

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.4

3star

CL

0.6

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

4.0

1star

HB

7.0

4star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.4

2star

CL

0.6

3star

D

11.0

3star

K

4.0

2star

HB

7.0

5star

M

1.0

1star

T

1.4

4star

CL

0.6

3star

in his draft year, could we steal him for pick 60. Was always going to be a long term project going by draft notes, might be ready to deliver after a 4th pre season. 192cm quick midfielder. Doesn’t get a heap of the ball, but is a nice kick.

 

[rumoursofwinter]

Maybe Ken needs to learn how to coach players who aren't kenbots.

 

[philthy05]

Wingard was contracted.

Once you've declared you don't want a player at your club, it's advantage opposition team.

We haven’t told him he’s not wanted, we’ve reportedly told him if he wants to be a first ruck (as opposed to 2nd ruck / kf) to look elsewhere.

C4 told us ages ago that we wouldn’t force Ladhams out, but would be open to trading him for the right price due to our ruck situation.

 

[JimmyBC]

There is of course the possibility they don't rate Ladhams as highly as you lot do & nor do others.. shocking I know.

I don't rate him as highly as you lot either but trading rucks isn't a great idea in our situation.

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

When did we say we didn't want Ladhams at the club?

What impression would you get if your workplace said "yeah thanks for the few years of service pal, but if you'd like to go talk to our direct competitor about getting a job there that'd be great."

It doesn't matter what our intentions were. If Ladhams thinks he isn't wanted and is sold a spot in a 22 of a team with decent success prospects on decent money he is probably gone. He won't give a shit how much we tell him what we actually said.

 

[Tibbs]

As with the Wingard trade, actively looking to move a player on is never going to enhance their trade value. We have little bargaining position here and will have to take what we can get.

No we dont ... we havent told him he is not required ... he is, but as a bit-part player for the next year at least. If they offer rubbish, we say "no deal" & he stays.

If we get a great deal for him, then great. If we dont, well we see where another year of development in him takes us.

I am ambivalent atm. Ports greatest strength has been Cripps & Co over the last few years. They havent put a foot wrong, so while I want Ladhams to stay, I am happy also to back their judgement that they know what they want to achieve out of this.

Will be fascinating to watch the outcome.

 

[Chopperdave]

What impression would you get if your workplace said "yeah thanks for the few years of service pal, but if you'd like to go talk to our direct competitor about getting a job there that'd be great."

It doesn't matter what our intentions were. If Ladhams thinks he isn't wanted and is sold a spot in a 22 of a team with decent success prospects on decent money he is probably gone. He won't give a sh*t how much we tell him what we actually said.

You could literally say that about probably half the AFL right now...

Firstly, you are legit just making up what was said. No one actually knows what has been told and unless Ladhams, Hinkley or Davies comes out and says something its all just speculation.

 

[Tibbs]

What impression would you get if your workplace said "yeah thanks for the few years of service pal, but if you'd like to go talk to our direct competitor about getting a job there that'd be great."

It doesn't matter what our intentions were. If Ladhams thinks he isn't wanted and is sold a spot in a 22 of a team with decent success prospects on decent money he is probably gone. He won't give a sh*t how much we tell him what we actually said.

Thats just not the case. What we have said to him is .. "The factory supervisor role is taken for at least the next year, we can only offer you the assistant's role. We would love you to remain with our company in your current role, but If you do want to be the supervisor, you are welcome to apply at another company ... IF we can come to suitable terms."

 

[It Just Is]

He's a player I don't want to trade to another contender.

As a ruckman he is improving every year and every game. In our four game stretch without Lycett he:

• Broke even with Sweet against you guys
• Broke even with Grundy against the pies
• Beat Sean Darcy hands down
• Beat Stanley, Bliczavs & Hawkins on his own. Has made a habit of man-handling Hawkins in those nasty F50 stoppages, which you don't see too often.

As a forward he has concrete hands but is getting better at presenting, making an option and forcing his defender to defend. Has freakish ground ball game if given a chance.

I already think he is a better ruckman than Lycett. I really want to see us try the Ladhams/Hayes combo next season - as it could be a five year dominant ruck pairing that could help make-up for our thin midfield.

For me his value to Port is greater than his value on the market. If I was CD it would take a top 10 pick to make me consider trading him (and that is a standalone pick, not an upgrade). I can see why you would want him.

The only time I remember Ladhams breaking even with Grundy is when he accidentally tripped him over at a boundary throw in. The rest of the game he was absolutely pansted by 3 brownlow, 10 coaches votes Grundy.

One of Ladhams biggest flaws right now is that he is physically monstered by the big boys like Grundy.

 

[Us against the rest]

As it stands imo, we are desperate for a gun mid, if we can't achieve that with Ladhams and some steak knives I would rather keep him as part of our future rucks with Hayes.

We are not to know what happens behind closed doors or off field but as proven in the past when Stinkley goes sour on a player they usually leave.

 

[Powerade 08]

Hey I may be biased because he's my buddy, but still, if I we can't get Petracca & Bont, maybe Naughton as steak knives for him it's a no from me.

But seriously, quality key talls are rare, and you don't give them away for nothing. Especially when they are a) already best 22 and b) the back-up is untried and injury prone.

The Ladhams/Hayes combo could be a point of difference for us for the next 5-7 years. That's what we'd be giving up, and that's what we have to be compensated for if he goes.

Quality key talls are rare, yes. Which is why its always weird to see people pin their hopes to players who can't take a mark (Marshall, Ladhams), or players who straight up have NFI (Butcher) forever instead of just accepting they might not be very good.

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

You could literally say that about probably half the AFL right now...

Firstly, you are legit just making up what was said. No one actually knows what has been told and unless Ladhams, Hinkley or Davies comes out and says something its all just speculation.

Thats just not the case. What we have said to him is .. "The factory supervisor role is taken for at least the next year, we can only offer you the assistant's role. We would love you to remain with our company in your current role, but If you do want to be the supervisor, you are welcome to apply at another company ... IF we can come to suitable terms."

Apologies. I thought it was clear that wasn't a direct quote.

I would only believe something if it came directly from Ladham's mouth. The club has shown it is quite happy to misrepresent and gaslight the supporters.

If we would love for him to stay in his position we wouldn't suggest he test the waters in his exit interview, it would more good job come back and do it next year. For him to be testing the waters he would have been the one coming to us saying I want to be first ruck or I'm out.

For the record I don't want Ladhams traded. I certainly don't want him gone for someone like Mitchell or Yeo.

 

[Sleezy]

The only time I remember Ladhams breaking even with Grundy is when he accidentally tripped him over at a boundary throw in. The rest of the game he was absolutely pansted by 3 brownlow, 10 coaches votes Grundy.

One of Ladhams biggest flaws right now is that he is physically monstered by the big boys like Grundy.

Then you didn't watch any of the game after Q1. Ladhams matched Grundy for hitouts and disposals and went a long way to keeping us in a game where we played like shit. Didn't beat him, but didn't get embarrassed. Which is more than can be said for most rucks in the league. Including his senior partner in Lycett.

I'd also suggest you review our game against geelong in R13 if you think Ladhams still gets monstered. He did the monstering. To Tom Hawkins.

 

[Chopperdave]

I would only believe something if it came directly from Ladham's mouth. The club has shown it is quite happy to misrepresent and gaslight the supporters.

Say what you will about the club outside of trades but we have been one of the most transparent when it comes to list management. CD has been open and honest the past few years on trade radio and with supporters.

 

[powerrrrrrrrrrrr]

Still think we should target Will Brodie

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Will Brodie

Age

26

Ht

190cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

19.0

5star

K

8.2

3star

HB

10.8

5star

M

3.1

3star

T

4.9

5star

CL

4.1

5star

D

14.0

3star

K

4.0

1star

HB

10.0

5star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.0

2star

CL

3.0

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

7.4

3star

HB

6.4

4star

M

3.2

4star

T

5.4

5star

CL

2.8

5star

from the Suns.

Always looks like a nearly there type player and has had some very decent games at times too. Just never seemed to be given time like others have.

Surely we could get him for chips and he’s a great size for a modern mid at 189cm and just turned 23.

 

[charcolechaddy]

Is ‘back-ended‘ the buzz word of 2021 or have we been up to some salary cap or penny pinching shenanigans?

I feel we are going to get back ended in the Ladhams deal.

 

[Holden Hillbilly]

Still think we should target Will Brodie from the Suns.

Always looks like a nearly there type player and has had some very decent games at times too. Just never seemed to be given time like others have.

Surely we could get him for chips and he’s a great size for a modern mid at 189cm and just turned 23.

Midfielder Will Brodie and mid-forward Darcy MacPherson are both interested in finding senior opportunities at new clubs, Cameron confirmed.

MacPherson, who finished third in the Suns’ best and fairest count in 2019 when he played all 22 games, has played 12 and 11 games over the last two seasons as he was squeezed out of the senior side.

Brodie has had even less playing time, totalling 25 games across five seasons including five in 2021. He was willing to leave the club last trade period but the interest wasn’t there for him, especially given his contract worth approximately $400,000 a year.

“Will’s going into his sixth year next year and he quite rightly wants to explore his options elsewhere, and we’re happy to facilitate that if we can find something for him. And we’ll work to that through the trade period,” Cameron said on Trade Radio.

“Darcy a little bit the same but he hasn’t been quite as vehement in wanting to find another home. If he did, and we found something that worked for us, then we would look at that.”

Two players, draft picks on the table as Gold Coast Suns reveal busy trade period plans

Two players, draft picks on the table as Suns reveal busy trade period plans

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[Hong-Kong Phooey]

brodie will do nicely

 

[FightForYourRight]

.....I suspect Ladhams was told he could not be guaranteed 22 games or the first ruck role next year. We have to play MG so Peter is no walk up start- and he has the talent to be elsewhere.

We definitely need to play MG, and our KPF should be MG, Dixon & Ladhams (& 2nd Ruck).
Marshall is NOT a KPF; he should be playing the high HF role- has great wheels & skills for his size.
If we trade Ladhams I feel it will come back to 'bite' us.

 

[klem22]

Maybe Ken needs to learn how to coach players who aren't kenbots.

I was thinking similar things!

 

[Schulzenfest]

As with the Wingard trade, actively looking to move a player on is never going to enhance their trade value.

Maybe we should stop doing that to someone every ****ing year then, eh?

 

[dirty2]

What impression would you get if your workplace said "yeah thanks for the few years of service pal, but if you'd like to go talk to our direct competitor about getting a job there that'd be great."

I would be bloody ecstatic... But then Im not overly happy in my work place.

 

[King_Tredrea]

We should only trade him if it allows us to land a legitimate gun midfielder. If that doesn’t happen, trading him almost definitely hurts us more than it could possibly help.