Analysis 2021 trade thread

[irish]

Don't discount Mitch Wallis to the Lions. It's on.

Sorry he missed the bus

 

[Dalions]

We might know how awkward or not it is by club champion dinner night in regard to Neale informing us or not.

Sunday night.

 

[Lazza16]

Sunday night.

Monday it is then.

 

[Dalions]

Rumour and not confirmed:
Treloar wants to move to QLD to be with his wife & newborn. She plays for the Firebirds.



Not sure of his trade value or IF it’s true but I imagine a first round pick would be involved.

Would Collingwood still be paying a substantial portion of his contract?

 

[Lazza16]

Would Collingwood still be paying a substantial portion of his contract?

Why didnt he play against us?

 

[Clarkythelion]

Fantastic - for those of us that love the off season, the trade and draft periods, the myriad of strategies and scenarios this one was looking a little quiet for Brisbane - NOT NOW. Even if the Neale trade is killed later this week it wont go away this year or next and will have a dramatic effect on our moves now as evidenced by the threads on here exploding with Neale, Neale, Neale and some Parker, Parker. One thing under Fagen/Nobel is that they take a 2 and 3 year view of building and that is still the case at the Lions. The whole delay now will be about both parties doing due diligence and you can bet the phones are running hot at the Lions looking at the scenarios of when is the best time to let Neale go and who will be available. I'd hate to see the phone bill from yesterday and today, I'll be every manager in the country is ringing with a strategy and/or we are ringing them.

Bring it on, this year and next just got fun. Kenny Rodgers you legend, "got to know when to hold and when to throw them".

 

[jjami15]

Fantastic - for those of us that love the off season, the trade and draft periods, the myriad of strategies and scenarios this one was looking a little quiet for Brisbane - NOT NOW. Even if the Neale trade is killed later this week it wont go away this year or next and will have a dramatic effect on our moves now as evidenced by the threads on here exploding with Neale, Neale, Neale and some Parker, Parker. One thing under Fagen/Nobel is that they take a 2 and 3 year view of building and that is still the case at the Lions. The whole delay now will be about both parties doing due diligence and you can bet the phones are running hot at the Lions looking at the scenarios of when is the best time to let Neale go and who will be available. I'd hate to see the phone bill from yesterday and today, I'll be every manager in the country is ringing with a strategy and/or we are ringing them.

Bring it on, this year and next just got fun. Kenny Rodgers you legend, "got to know when to hold and when to throw them".

I enjoy the off-season as I look at it as a way to improve our list but frankly I don't get any enjoyment out of this current situation with Neale. At the end of the day one can look at it as a way to hit the 'draft' but as an avid draft follower this group would have to be one of the most compromised ever. A large majority of the players drafted come from Victoria and they have had 2 seasons destroyed by Covid. We moan about the lack of opportunity for development for our players on our list therefore how is one able to truly be able to say whether a player has developed over the last 2 years in their draft year? We already have an opportunity, albeit late first rounders, to bring in talent to add to our list. I suppose the disappoint of the current situation is quite roar at the moment for myself so the notion of any enjoyment is quite far fetched.

 

[Berrygood]

For me, we should be getting a minimum of 2 first round picks for Neale. 1 of those must be their pick 8 or pick 6 they get for cerra from Carlton.

We have now 4 first round picks

Pick up Luke Parker

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Luke Parker

Age

32

Ht

183cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

24.2

5star

K

12.6

5star

HB

11.6

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.8

5star

D

22.1

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

9.9

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

5.0

5star

CL

5.5

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

11.4

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

8.0

5star

CL

5.2

5star

as free agent, 3yrs @ $600.

I'm delisting Fullerton and Ballenden.
Chasing Max Lynch from Collingwood and Wiederman from Melbourne. Wiederman maybe costs us 1 first round pick or 1 pick split to trade.

With 3 first round draft picks we get 3 really good kids, or use 2 and trade a pick fwd to make sure of getting Ashcroft the next year. Either way it locks in a good future.

Summary.
Out-- Neale, Ballenden, Fullerton
In--- Parker, Wiederman, Lynch

It fills the Neal hole, it fills the Hippy hole (I've got Hippy on the Long term injury list all season next yr), upgrades ruck/fwd depth.

I'm trading/delisting Ely Smith
Delisting Brock Smith and hoping Birchall retires to make way for 2 or 3 top draft picks.

 

[On the quiet]

We might need another thread …


Breaking.

Lachie Neale is weighing up his playing future - and looks set to request a trade from the brisbanelions back to the freodockers.

It’s understood Neale and wife Jules are keen to raise their family in WA.

@7AFL @7NewsPerth

The excuse about where to raise the child is flimsy, because the child would still be less than 2 years old when his Lions contract expires, so it is not like the child has established friends in pre-school or primary school or the parents have met new friendship groups making it a little harder to leave. With COVID vaccines, it would appear that the borders should be open before Easter next year, therefore allowing travel to and from Perth. Yes, it is not ideal not to have mum around just after the birth of the child or the family apart for the first Christmas...but geez compared to the plight of innocent civilians in Afghanistan, it seems a bit of a trivial excuse.

No doubt the Neale's want to get back to Perth (for family), but also whilst Lachie's footy talents are still highly regarded. Wait 2 more years at the Lions and his playing form might have dropped off a little, and being 30, he might not have as much currency as he has now as a 28 year old, recent Brownlow winner.

I was going to agree with Nick Riewoldt, where Lions do all they can to support him and the family, and ask him to play in 2022, and if he still wanted to go at the end of 2022, then let him go. But, changed my mind, if he wants to go, let him go, we might suffer a little bit in 2022, but lets gets some midfield games into some of the young guys, including Starc with an eye on 2023 & 2024. Also letting Neal go could potentially gives us one early draft pick and probably a later first rounder.

 

[WhiteLionFeva]

For me, we should be getting a minimum of 2 first round picks for Neale. 1 of those must be their pick 8 or pick 6 they get for cerra from Carlton.

We have now 4 first round picks

Pick up Luke Parker as free agent, 3yrs @ $600.

I'm delisting Fullerton and Ballenden.
Chasing Max Lynch from Collingwood and Wiederman from Melbourne. Wiederman maybe costs us 1 first round pick or 1 pick split to trade.

With 3 first round draft picks we get 3 really good kids, or use 2 and trade a pick fwd to make sure of getting Ashcroft the next year. Either way it locks in a good future.

Summary.
Out-- Neale, Ballenden, Fullerton
In--- Parker, Wiederman, Lynch

It fills the Neal hole, it fills the Hippy hole (I've got Hippy on the Long term injury list all season next yr), upgrades ruck/fwd depth.

I'm trading/delisting Ely Smith
Delisting Brock Smith and hoping Birchall retires to make way for 2 or 3 top draft picks.

My two cents worth - Parker will probably get 3 x $600k from the Swans by the time the haggling is over. Especially once we make known our interest, if indeed we have interest. They can't really afford to lose him. Very unlikely we will be delisting Fullarton. Fages loves him. Ballenden possibly delisted; Brock Smith and Ely almost certainly. I would add Tom Joyce to the possible departures. We don't need fringe types like Weideman and I doubt we would want to give a spot to Lynch who is still very raw given we have Fullarton and two developing rucks in Henry Smith and Lane. I'm assuming Archie will be gone.

 

[RU_]

My two cents worth - Parker will probably get 3 x $600k from the Swans by the time the haggling is over. Especially once we make known our interest, if indeed we have interest. They can't really afford to lose him. Very unlikely we will be delisting Fullarton. Fages loves him. Ballenden possibly delisted; Brock Smith and Ely almost certainly. I would add Tom Joyce to the possible departures. We don't need fringe types like Weideman and I doubt we would want to give a spot to Lynch who is still very raw given we have Fullarton and two developing rucks in Henry Smith and Lane. I'm assuming Archie will be gone.

How far off are Smith and Lane? If one of them can give big Oscar a chop out he might not be as fatigued and can hold onto some of those big overhead marks that he’s been threatening.

 

[FromOldFitzroy]

How far off are Smith and Lane? If one of them can give big Oscar a chop out he might not be as fatigued and can hold onto some of those big overhead marks that he’s been threatening.

Would Brooksby, delisted by the Hawks, be a short term ruck back-up option?

 

[Bucking Beads]

Would Brooksby, delisted by the Hawks, be a short term ruck back-up option?

Only if Abbey is part of the deal

 

[T Rick]

My two cents worth - Parker will probably get 3 x $600k from the Swans by the time the haggling is over. Especially once we make known our interest, if indeed we have interest. They can't really afford to lose him. Very unlikely we will be delisting Fullarton. Fages loves him. Ballenden possibly delisted; Brock Smith and Ely almost certainly. I would add Tom Joyce to the possible departures. We don't need fringe types like Weideman and I doubt we would want to give a spot to Lynch who is still very raw given we have Fullarton and two developing rucks in Henry Smith and Lane. I'm assuming Archie will be gone.

Ely is contracted for 2022.

 

[briztoon]

I’m all aboard the Tom Mitchell trade. What ever we get for Neale can go straight to Hawthorn.

Mitchell is younger as well.

Win win all round.

 

[pulpdriver]

I’m all aboard the Tom Mitchell trade. What ever we get for Neale can go straight to Hawthorn.

Mitchell is younger as well.

Win win all round.

It's as like for like as you can get but if we let Lachie go I see it as a chance to freshen up the midfield balance and we don't do really achieve that if we get Mitchell. If we can get reasonable value I'd be taking it to the draft. Luke Parker would be brilliant (though it seems he's on the precipice of re-signing if Healey's mail is right) because he's got more versatility, better defensively and would allow us to not lose any immediate ground in the midfield plus still keep any draft picks we can get from Neale.

 

[jackess]

I’m all aboard the Tom Mitchell trade. What ever we get for Neale can go straight to Hawthorn.

Mitchell is younger as well.

Win win all round.

He's one week younger

 

[pulpdriver]

Take it with a grain of salt but there's an in depth post on the Swans board regarding exit interviews and their post season moves that suggests that if Neale leaves Parker would be open to coming to us and has no interest in Suns, Bombers or Blues.

Bear in mind the poster has only ever made the one post and they haven't replied to anyone asking about sources so it could just be an elaborate larp.

 

[cotter101]

Not sure I’m big on Tom Mitchell. Would rather a different style of player in the midfield or head to the draft and look what FA’s could come in.

 

[FromOldFitzroy]

Only if Abbey is part of the deal

I had to Google Brooksby to get that.
#outoftheloop

 

[M Malice]

Luke Parker

26

Luke Parker

Age

32

Ht

183cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

24.2

5star

K

12.6

5star

HB

11.6

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

5.6

5star

CL

5.8

5star

D

22.1

5star

K

12.3

5star

HB

9.9

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

5.0

5star

CL

5.5

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

11.4

4star

HB

9.8

5star

M

2.0

3star

T

8.0

5star

CL

5.2

5star

yes, Tom Mitchell no.

 

[mattsmob]

Take it with a grain of salt but there's an in depth post on the Swans board regarding exit interviews and their post season moves that suggests that if Neale leaves Parker would be open to coming to us and has no interest in Suns, Bombers or Blues.

Bear in mind the poster has only ever made the one post and they haven't replied to anyone asking about sources so it could just be an elaborate larp.

I have a gut feeling it could be true, apparently he's looking for 4 year 700k which doesn't seem unreasonable and for Sydney to not have accepted it then they must be in some serious trouble with their cap. I think it's a near certainty that one of Parker or Dawson is not there next season and in their position with young mids coming through they may well prefer Dawson. For a one club player and someone that from the outside seems a great clubman I doubt the difference in contract is only 50k so I'd imagine they're a fair way apart. Disclaimer, this is just me thinking out loud and I could be way off.

 

[FFB1]

Rumour and not confirmed:
Treloar wants to move to QLD to be with his wife & newborn. She plays for the Firebirds.



Not sure of his trade value or IF it’s true but I imagine a first round pick would be involved.

We've already got Robinson and Mathieson, don't need another chuck it on the boot and hope for the best.

 

[jackess]

IF we could get Parker then pick 8 for Neale would be an good outcome.

 

[M Malice]

I have a gut feeling it could be true, apparently he's looking for 4 year 700k which doesn't seem unreasonable and for Sydney to not have accepted it then they must be in some serious trouble with their cap. I think it's a near certainty that one of Parker or Dawson is not there next season and in their position with young mids coming through they may well prefer Dawson. For a one club player and someone that from the outside seems a great clubman I doubt the difference in contract is only 50k so I'd imagine they're a fair way apart. Disclaimer, this is just me thinking out loud and I could be way off.

FWIW I'd take Dawson over Parker if given a choice, fantastic kick of the footy and can play the distributing role out of the back or on the wing, also 4 years younger than Parker, would be extremely happy with Parker though.