Analysis 2021 trade thread

[BangyBangy]

Very injury prone has never played a Full season at the Lions

Reiwoldt was towelling him up in the first qtr in our game earlier in the season, the coaching staff persisted with him in that game & he was awesome from then on & continued to be awesome throughout the year till his stress fracture.

When he came back for the finals, he was great.

This is also why the club has extended his contract.

I love Adams & think he's awesome. There, I said it.

 

[BangyBangy]

Ok, let's get back to the main question.

What do we do if Big O goes down for an extended period?

Let that guide any trade we do.

 

[Lion_LegacyXL]

Reiwoldt was towelling him up in the first qtr in our game earlier in the season, the coaching staff persisted with him in that game & he was awesome from then on & continued to be awesome throughout the year till his stress fracture.

When he came back for the finals, he was great.

This is also why the club has extended his contract.

I love Adams & think he's awesome. There, I said it.

He's been more reliable than Gardiner & Andrews in defence this year.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

Ok, let's get back to the main question.

What do we do if Big O goes down for an extended period?

Let that guide any trade we do.

It's probably why I would prefer we decide to get someone in the trade period like Fort or Briggs to the club (even if it does cost draft capital), that can bring a lot more service to our ruck stocks in the short-term & long term (which lets face it is pretty bare atm with Fullarton/H.Smith/Lane the only real depth and Ballenden probably gone) while also being a nice option down forward as the 3rd tall (if needed with injuries like this year), compared to other players suggested such as Casboult or Cox, who don't bring much to the club in the long-term with our forward/ruck stocks IMO.

 

[blueiris]

Ok, let's get back to the main question.

What do we do if Big O goes down for an extended period?

Let that guide any trade we do.

Fort seems the most logical choice

 

[dlanod]

There is no known dimension in which Finlayson would be able to give ruck support.

He's surprisingly ok at taking the ball out of the ruck and snapping a goal.

He gives more effort in the ruck than Joe.

But he gives zero effort off the ball and about zero effort if he's manned up in the forward line.

He's a weird fellow - you don't often see guys like him averaging a couple of goals a game, but have next to zero impact otherwise.

 

[Dalions]

I don't know if that's the best idea. McStay is a better forward than a defender and Adams is a better defender than a forward.

What you're really pointing out is pretty fair though, which is that Hipwood, Joe and McStay don't really gel that well with providing a rest for Oscar. I appreciate that you're trying to solve that problem fairly creatively.

I don’t really understand.
In the 11 games between round 5 and 16 we went 10 and 1 during the period when we had Hippy, McStay and Joe in the forward line with Oscar rucking.

 

[mattsmob]

Gold coast looking to salary dump MacPherson and 19 for Norths future 2nd/3rd.

At first it seems bizarre and it still kind of is.

If the AFL starts to allow salary dumps though I wonder if we could move on CEY and open the trade period up a bit more

Even if we could is it really that urgent to offload him? If we have to either pay some salary or give up draft capital to do it I hope we just keep him to help our reserves at the very least.

 

[briztoon]

Gold coast looking to salary dump MacPherson and 19 for Norths future 2nd/3rd.

At first it seems bizarre and it still kind of is.

If the AFL starts to allow salary dumps though I wonder if we could move on CEY and open the trade period up a bit more

I was wondering if anyone would bring this up.

I’d rather give away a decent pick to dump CEY’s contract and free up a list space.

Gold Coast are giving away pick 19. That sets the benchmark. Our closest pick is 18. I’d rather keep it.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

I want someone who is in the age profile, young enough to develop and grow with this group.

Why? We already have two rucks who are young enough to develop and grow with this group, Lane and HSmith. There's no need for a third. Besides, talls rarely contribute strongly to team performance until they're 24-25, unless they're uber-talents. If we're looking for someone who can fill the hole Hipwood has left for next year and spell Oscar, I want the best player possible in 2022 that will fit within our cap, and that's not Lewis Young. Fort and Cox can both offer more in the next two seasons, and after they're no longer useful, either one of the youngsters steps up or we find another mature backup.

Why should the club go after cheap and nasty when we could potentially do better.

Because we have a salary cap that we're pretty tight against.

Lloyd's statement is spot on in relation to Brisbane. I could not have said it better. We have many concerns to fix to take the ultimate step but to do little during the Trade Period is not going to fix anything.

Internal improvement can fix a lot.

All in All, the Club has poorly managed the cap and it is disappointing.

Huh? There have been a few missteps (and no one is perfect), but we've signed some superstar players (Cameron, Neale, Daniher), turned some unfancied ones into gold (McCarthy, Lyons, Adams) and re-signed our gun youngsters (Bailey, McCluggage, Starcevich, Rayner). I wouldn't call that poor cap management at all, I'll call it great recruitment. Having our 2020 team and enough in the bank to add Joe Daniher shows how good the cap management was.

 

[twhowler]

I was wondering if anyone would bring this up.

I’d rather give away a decent pick to dump CEY’s contract and free up a list space.

Gold Coast are giving away pick 19. That sets the benchmark. Our closest pick is 18. I’d rather keep it.

Confused by pars 2 and 3 here, contradicting each other unless i am missing something?
Sounds like the suns deal is possibly 19 but a pick back.
Regardless i wouldn’t be doing it. We only have one year of CEY’s contract so it’s not much of a dump. You’d be doing hoping for a flag or very close. I guess a $400k player could help in that regard. You’d want to know who.
i also think the suns have picks to burn / loads of young players. We need a good draft.

 

[lionsrules]

Wtf have people been watching, bringing up lewis young and finlayson as solutions. None of the ones we have actually been linked to are much chop, but what do you expect when you are shopping for a backup.

Bizarre ….. all I said was that I didn’t realise his parents lived in Brisbane.

 

[Section 5]

I don’t really understand.
In the 11 games between round 5 and 16 we went 10 and 1 during the period when we had Hippy, McStay and Joe in the forward line with Oscar rucking.

Yes we did very well during that period thank heavens
Fullarton played when McStay was out early, then came back when Hippy went down
So we only played 1 ruck in the period R5 to R17
One ruck was my preferred option before round 1.
It gives you an extra mid or hybrid type player on bench with Jo filling in for Oscar

If in the 2022 preseason they successfully trial someone like Payne as a 3rd tall forward they may still go down the 1 ruck path

However they also could cover all bases and get someone like Fort and just go down this path with 2 R/F sharing the load
Lions usually play players traded into the club if/when they are fit.
So if Fort or another ruck type player comes in i think that will show their intention

 

[BRAB]

I don’t really understand.
In the 11 games between round 5 and 16 we went 10 and 1 during the period when we had Hippy, McStay and Joe in the forward line with Oscar rucking.

I think Oscar got tired throughout the season and games shouldering a full time load. I think it’d be better if he got a bit more of a break.

When he’s on and the big 3 are on, we look awesome, I’d just like Oscar to be on more and I think that’ll involve managing his load better.

 

[BangyBangy]

I was wondering if anyone would bring this up.

I’d rather give away a decent pick to dump CEY’s contract and free up a list space.

Gold Coast are giving away pick 19. That sets the benchmark. Our closest pick is 18. I’d rather keep it.

Top 20 picks are a different commodity for the Suns compared to the rest of the comp though Unless it's a top 5 pick then pfffttt

 

[BangyBangy]

I think Oscar got tired throughout the season and games shouldering a full time load. I think it’d be better if he got a bit more of a break.

When he’s on and the big 3 are on, we look awesome, I’d just like Oscar to be on more and I think that’ll involve managing his load better.

I don't think he was tired, he was just playing injured & we didn't really have a choice but to keep playing him injured because we didn't have a replacement.

We didn't rest him towards the back half of the season when he came good. I suspect we were managing his training workload & his injuries started to improve.

 

[martinson]

I don't know why some people continue to think Adams is a fringe player.

When he's up and running he was more than competitive against the game's big guns and is one of the best defenders going around. On what I saw.

Sure he's been extremely injury prone but he came back straight into fine form this year and will only get better if he stays on the park. Fingers crossed.

The discussion about ruck replacements is doing my head in. I'm at the stage now, just get anybody and we can close it off.

I wish Fullarton and/or Ballenden had shown a bit more and we wouldn't have to worry.

 

[briztoon]

Confused by pars 2 and 3 here, contradicting each other unless i am missing something?
Sounds like the suns deal is possibly 19 but a pick back.
Regardless i wouldn’t be doing it. We only have one year of CEY’s contract so it’s not much of a dump. You’d be doing hoping for a flag or very close. I guess a $400k player could help in that regard. You’d want to know who.
i also think the suns have picks to burn / loads of young players. We need a good draft.

I missed a “not”, as in “I’d rather not…”.

My bad.

 

[briztoon]

Confused by pars 2 and 3 here, contradicting each other unless i am missing something?
Sounds like the suns deal is possibly 19 but a pick back.
Regardless i wouldn’t be doing it. We only have one year of CEY’s contract so it’s not much of a dump. You’d be doing hoping for a flag or very close. I guess a $400k player could help in that regard. You’d want to know who.
i also think the suns have picks to burn / loads of young players. We need a good draft.

We’re on the same page, don’t worry.

 

[Mighty Lions]

It was my impression that we overdid the selfless things on occasions and someone got inside Bailey's head because he started looking for options when he clearly would've been better off going for it. Sometimes with players like him you're better off giving them their head but I understand he does appear selfish . As he gets better he'll develop better instincts as to when to be more defensive and dish it off and when to make the most of his natural gifts. I don't want to see him lose his flair in any respect.

Agree re Charlie, his defensive work has gone from being very good when he started out to almost non existent this year.

That really depends on your interpretation of what being selfish is. Its not just scoring opportunities for me, its more about doing the 1 & 2%ers that Melbourne were so good at this season. Gut running to defend not just attack is something we are not good at. Is it selfless of Bailey to be second highest in the competition for free kicks against? (Zorko 9th highest) I think being selfless has a lot more to it than most think it does.

 

[Mighty Lions]

Ok, let's get back to the main question.

What do we do if Big O goes down for an extended period?

Let that guide any trade we do.

If the Big O goes down Round 1 next season we are in a lot of trouble with the list we currently have.

If we stick with Ballenden & Fullerton on our list, we need to work hard on them to develop their ruck skills because they have the ability but right now dont have the drive nor the smarts that can be taught.

 

[dlanod]

I was wondering if anyone would bring this up.

I’d rather give away a decent pick to dump CEY’s contract and free up a list space.

Gold Coast are giving away pick 19. That sets the benchmark. Our closest pick is 18. I’d rather keep it.

If it does happen, it would set a benchmark for someone on MacPherson's salary. Given their relative years leading up to their respective contract offers (3rd in B&F versus a contract that only generated a 3rd round pick for Adelaide), I don't think CEY is on anywhere near the same as Darcy. Given your following of the NBA, I'm sure you've noticed the difference in what clubs give away for a salary dump of a max deal versus dumps of less or expiring contracts.

 

[dlanod]

Unless it's a top 5 pick then pfffttt

Lachie Weller says you might as well include those too.

 

[RoyBoy17]

I used to prefer having one genuine ruck and a pinch hitter but after I saw Big O tire late in games in the back end of the year, namely against eagles, Melbourne and dogs, I think we must play two genuine rucks moving forward more for countering threats like Gawn and Jackson combo come finals. A lot of teams don’t play two rucks so it can be a big point of difference at the end of the year. Fort is also no mug in the forward line. Just as cox is also underrated as a ruck. Both upgrades on Fullerton and that’s what we are after. If hipwood comes back then that’s great. We have a selection headache

 

[jackess]

If you’re MacPherson, would you accept the trade?

One of the most pathetic clubs trying to get your salary off the books handing you over with a high draft pick to another terrible club. Couldn’t think of anything much more embarrassing to happen to a footballer.