Analysis 2021 trade thread

[Pikuks]

I don't really understand the tough time Beams is getting.

Lachie seems too classy to do a dayne beams and say he is staying then leave. Doubt the club would be pushing the issue. We're in a window and that could shut very quickly

Pretty sure it was Sam McClure who broke the news of him coming to us initially.
So he may be in the loop in some way.
Although I do think he seems to be a bit more of a ‘Man if his word’ than Beams.

Beams knew he was cooked. Wangled a 3 year (I think) deal at the Pies on good money knowing he'd be lucky to get half a season in. 6 games I think it was. Most importantly, as part of the trade we received the picks to get the Lachie Neale trade done. So he initiates an aged, physically and emotionally battered former champion to be replaced by an elite of the competition on a 5 year deal. What a win for us after getting a number of good years out of Dayne.

I say "Thank you Dayne".

And every Collingwood supporter I share my theory with gets that funny, realisation look after thinking about it for a bit and always comes to the conclusion that they were screwed, big time.

 

[BangyBangy]

Watching a replay of Trading day on Kayo. Interesting that Jon Ralph mentions that both Melbourne & Brisbane are interested in Gold Coast's pick 19.

Not sure if he's assuming or has any actual sources, didn't really go into it in any depth.

 

[Gadzorks]

Mathieson could never play Robinson’s role on the wing.

Mike Whiting was asked to look at Mathison's running during the off season.

He said matho has the ability to run out games hard, the problem is in his head and his self belief. Source the Roar Deal.

Might be the kind of player that needs a line in the sand game. Maybe that's why they keep playing him. They believe it will click.

Also don't underestimate the value of the energy player that gets the others up and about. After the first awful final Fagan said he was going to talk to the energy players (he mentioned Mitch and Charlie) to get their opinion on what went wrong. Energy is the X factor.

 

[thedigger]

Has Freo got enough tickets and cash,to close a deal on Neale,I doubt it.

 

[Gadzorks]

I doubt it would be. IMO all the announcements coming out after Neale sat down with the club would've been primarily to quieten down the media noise about it which was rather nasty and vitriolic towards the couple from quite a few sectors.

So from that regard I personally take anything said publicly with a grain of salt. Unless you were a fly on the wall in the meeting you'd have no idea.

Nothing changes really, if he really wants to head back now rather than in two years then we'll try to facilitate a fair trade given he has two years to run on a contract. If not then he'll stay & be a consummate professional I'm sure.

I do not want Neale to leave, it'll set us back a long way.

But the schache contract and trade shadow lingers. The contact settled the chat ...

 

[BangyBangy]

Has Freo got enough tickets and cash,to close a deal on Neale,I doubt it.

With the salary they'll keep with Cerra moving on & the pick they'll get for him absolutely.

 

[mattsmob]

Might be the kind of player that needs a line in the sand game. Maybe that's why they keep playing him. They believe it will click.

I think the main reason we keep playing him is because of injuries, don't get me wrong Matho is about the best depth you can get especially for players like Neale or Lyons but likewise with Keays it just isn't really an option to play anymore than 2-3 specialist inside mids in an AFL team. The game has transitioned so much into an endurance and athleticism battle having too many players that aren't that becomes a problem as we found at times this season.

 

[BangyBangy]

I do not want Neale to leave, it'll set us back a long way.

But the schache contract and trade shadow lingers. The contact settled the chat ...

I agree, I would prefer he stays. Won't be throwing my toys out of the cot if he leaves though. It's only footy.

 

[BangyBangy]

Mike Whiting was asked to look at Mathison's running during the off season.

He said matho has the ability to run out games hard, the problem is in his head and his self belief. Source the Roar Deal.

Might be the kind of player that needs a line in the sand game. Maybe that's why they keep playing him. They believe it will click.

Also don't underestimate the value of the energy player that gets the others up and about. After the first awful final Fagan said he was going to talk to the energy players (he mentioned Mitch and Charlie) to get their opinion on what went wrong. Energy is the X factor.

Nothing would give me greater pleasure than seeing Matho have a breakout year out of nowhere in 2022. Imagine how much it would trigger oppo supporters

 

[martinson]

Lack of bigger fish trade deals reeks of clubs being maxed out and maybe up to their eyeballs already with guys who aren't delivering with 2 or 3 years left to run and no one else wanting them.

The landscape has changed dramatically for most businesses via covid, near zero interest rates and a changing social landscape with working from home, portability and the ideals of the next generation not as linked to success and profitability.

It's spilling over into footy. Everything happens quicker now. The Buddy/ Grundy type deals are dead in the water. With Petracca being the outlier because he's a freak.

 

[thedigger]

After watching Melb win the flag, it was obvious,hard running,and skills,is how the game is.We have two speed machines that we have to develope,Madden and Sharp will fill the bills.
We do not need Cox,no matter how cheap he is,when the ball hits the ground he shot,he not quick enough

 

[martinson]

Nothing would give me greater pleasure than seeing Matho have a breakout year out of nowhere in 2022. Imagine how much it would trigger oppo supporters

I think it'd trigger me a lot more.

I love surprises.

 

[irel]

On WA TV News tonight it was reported that Neale's manager has shut this latest trade talk down. "Neale is not going anywhere, certainly not to Fremantle." My reading is there may be a bit of angst the way Freo originally leaked all this earlier and put the Neale family under considerable stress.

 

[Berrygood]

Nothing would give me greater pleasure than seeing Matho have a breakout year out of nowhere in 2022. Imagine how much it would trigger oppo supporters

I'd love to see it too.

I'm glad we kept matho. He wouldn't be costing much, proved this year he is a more than capable fill in, and a leader in the ressies. He is also a very loyal clubman. Lester has been lauded for years as a great clubman, the years he put in the ressies etc. Every club needs players like that, they create the heart n soul of the place. They bring on the young kids, pass on the culture and expectations. As long as the Lions name finishes with FC and not Pty Ltd, ya gotta have blokes like matho.

 

[BangyBangy]

It's spilling over into footy. Everything happens quicker now. The Buddy/ Grundy type deals are dead in the water. With Petracca being the outlier because he's a freak.

Whoever put the Grundy deal together must look back now shaking their head. If it was someone who actually liked / loved the club I wonder how they are feeling now.

 

[Cubs2Lions]

Whoever put the Grundy deal together must look back now shaking their head. If it was someone who actually liked / loved the club I wonder how they are feeling now.

Ned Guy from Collingwood, be like

 

[JasRulz63]

On WA TV News tonight it was reported that Neale's manager has shut this latest trade talk down. "Neale is not going anywhere, certainly not to Fremantle." My reading is there may be a bit of angst the way Freo originally leaked all this earlier and put the Neale family under considerable stress.

"It's been put to me very forcefully this morning that there's no way Lachie Neale is going back to Fremantle." - Sam Edmund

Looks like this quote from Sam Edmund did indeed come from the Neale party.

 

[bungalow_bill]

Recently reported that Sam Walsh is in no hurry to extend his current deal beyond next year.

As Lions fans we all know what that means

 

[JasRulz63]

Watching a replay of Trading day on Kayo. Interesting that Jon Ralph mentions that both Melbourne & Brisbane are interested in Gold Coast's pick 19.

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Clubs including Brisbane and Melbourne could be keen to improve their draft hand in this draft while giving the Suns high picks in the 2022 national draft.

I suspect he's just guessing based on that.

 

[Viceregal]

As Lions fans we all know what that means

I think we would be able to find a space for him in our line-up...

 

[davemc_lions]

do we have the list spots for the suns first round as well as our 2?
Unless we packaging up 3 first rounds into something lower.

Suns seem to have no spots as well.

 

[BuntonRules]

Nothing would give me greater pleasure than seeing Matho have a breakout year out of nowhere in 2022. Imagine how much it would trigger oppo supporters

Replay the Melbourne final. Matho did not have a disposal he did nott butcher. Nothing but blind hack kicks or missed passes. Gave away several unneeded frees. His front on against Gawn was reportable, IMO. And he is not going to improve.

 

[jjami15]

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Frankly, if we are to give up next years first for what will become pick 21 it will again show our pick trading is diabolical. I would rather do two early second rounders (‘21 + ‘22) or at least try to find a ‘21 pick swap in the the teens.

 

[MacMum]

Sam Walsh

18

Sam Walsh

Age

24

Ht

184cm

Wt

84kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

25.1

5star

K

13.5

5star

HB

11.6

5star

M

5.1

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

3.4

5star

No current season stats available

D

26.2

5star

K

15.4

5star

HB

10.8

5star

M

6.0

5star

T

3.2

5star

CL

4.8

5star

must be rapt to have Vossy as his coach....probably grew up with his number on his back.

 

[briztoon]

Are we supposedly trading for GC’s 19?

They have multiple second and third round picks now as well. Would be asking for something else back as well.