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They should sponsor the Melbourne board.

 

[Crimson Azure]

Proper Gander do you have any idea what beer is being snatched away from the rabbit in your avatar?

 

[Proper Gander]

Proper Gander do you have any idea what beer is being snatched away from the rabbit in your avatar?

I’m guessing Heineken? Looks a bit like that. Or Coopers Pale, but that seems less likely

 

[Proper Gander]

Definitely Heineken

 

[Proper Gander]

I’ve been thinking.

The definition of delusion is a false belief about external reality held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.

The definition of incontrovertible is not able to be denied or disputed. Which leads to the question as to whether anything can be incontrovertible whether external or not? Post-structuralist philosophers have posed the idea that our perception of the physical world amounts to a calculation arrived at through the sum of our experience. And the names for ideas and things we share via language represent a system of shared signifiers understood by a number of people to permit communication.

So if I see something run across the road, and I say it is a dog, it is the label that I give to a certain appearance and characteristics based on my experience that have led me to use the sign “dog” in my thoughts.

But if the person next to me is equally certain that is a cat, can I say that this is a delusion by that person? All signs are open to denial or dispute.

George Orwell once said perhaps a lunatic is simply a minority of one?

This is what I was thinking about just now.

 

[Toump Ass]

I’ve been thinking.

The definition of delusion is a false belief about external reality held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.

The definition of incontrovertible is not able to be denied or disputed. Which leads to the question as to whether anything can be incontrovertible whether external or not? Post-structuralist philosophers have posed the idea that our perception of the physical world amounts to a calculation arrived at through the sum of our experience. And the names for ideas and things we share via language represent a system of shared signifiers understood by a number of people to permit communication.

So if I see something run across the road, and I say it is a dog, it is the label that I give to a certain appearance and characteristics based on my experience that have led me to use the sign “dog” in my thoughts.

But if the person next to me is equally certain that is a cat, can I say that this is a delusion by that person? All signs are open to denial or dispute.

George Orwell once said perhaps a lunatic is simply a minority of one?

This is what I was thinking about just now.

This made me think of an artist I like who found out he was colorblind when his parents asked him to pass the green guide to him. He said he couldn't see it then wondered aloud why it isn't called the grey guide, because he saw it as the same colour as the rest of the newspaper. What if everyone sees colour differently. Like we both agree to call blue blue and red red but what you call blue i see as red, and vice versa. I don't trust anything anymore.

 

[Proper Gander]

This made me think of an artist I like who found out he was colorblind when his parents asked him to pass the green guide to him. He said he couldn't see it then wondered aloud why it isn't called the grey guide, because he saw it as the same colour as the rest of the newspaper. What if everyone sees colour differently. Like we both agree to call blue blue and red red but what you call blue i see as red, and vice versa. I don't trust anything anymore.

I like the idea of a colorblind artist.

 

[Crimson Azure]

Definitely Heineken

I think you're right.

 

[Crimson Azure]

I’ve been thinking.

The definition of delusion is a false belief about external reality held despite incontrovertible evidence to the contrary.

The definition of incontrovertible is not able to be denied or disputed. Which leads to the question as to whether anything can be incontrovertible whether external or not? Post-structuralist philosophers have posed the idea that our perception of the physical world amounts to a calculation arrived at through the sum of our experience. And the names for ideas and things we share via language represent a system of shared signifiers understood by a number of people to permit communication.

So if I see something run across the road, and I say it is a dog, it is the label that I give to a certain appearance and characteristics based on my experience that have led me to use the sign “dog” in my thoughts.

But if the person next to me is equally certain that is a cat, can I say that this is a delusion by that person? All signs are open to denial or dispute.

George Orwell once said perhaps a lunatic is simply a minority of one?

This is what I was thinking about just now.

Yes.

 

[Crimson Azure]

So if I see something run across the road, and I say it is a dog, it is the label that I give to a certain appearance and characteristics based on my experience that have led me to use the sign “dog” in my thoughts.

But if the person next to me is equally certain that is a cat, can I say that this is a delusion by that person? All signs are open to denial or dispute.

Don't think too much, it's dangerous.

This is similar to what I was thinking about reality yesterday. Reality is a very singular experience that can and is heavily affected by those around us. Reality is very personal and exclusive to each individual. Like with your dog/cat analogy re delusion, if one sees a dog and the other is equally certain that it was a cat, that's the reality both experienced according to them, when in fact everyone else saw what it actually was a pygmy quokka.

Our own experience of reality can get distorted when the majority experience something different which can cause to question if our reality was actually what really transpired.

I used to think that whatever I saw as my reality/experience was the 100% accurate way events transpired but as I've got older I'm not so sure.

I'm not really smart enough for these discussions but do find them intriguing.

 

[Proper Gander]

Don't think too much, it's dangerous.

This is similar to what I was thinking about reality yesterday. Reality is a very singular experience that can and is heavily affected by those around us. Reality is very personal and exclusive to each individual. Like with your dog/cat analogy re delusion, if one sees a dog and the other is equally certain that it was a cat, that's the reality both experienced according to them, when in fact everyone else saw what it actually was a pygmy quokka.

Our own experience of reality can get distorted when the majority experience something different which can cause to question if our reality was actually what really transpired.

I used to think that whatever I saw as my reality/experience was the 100% accurate way events transpired but as I've got older I'm not so sure.

I'm not really smart enough for these discussions but do find them intriguing.

I don’t think anyone is smart enough for these discussions. Otherwise some really smart person might have resolved it.

But the nature of “truth” is worth considering, even though considering it does seem to be a red flag that you are no longer young.

I wish people (well me really) were designed some other way. What is the point of firing up my thinking cells at a stage when I don’t have the energy to follow through properly?

 

[Crimson Azure]

What is the point of firing up my thinking cells at a stage when I don’t have the energy to follow through properly?

This is the epitome one of the greatest truisms ‘youth is wasted on the young.’

 

[Proper Gander]

This is the epitome one of the greatest truisms ‘youth is wasted on the young.’

I used to think this was silly but I’m the opposite now.

We always think of wise people as old people. It would make such a difference if the reflecting part of your life could be brought forward a bit.

In my next life I plan to be God and will straighten out this stuff pronto.

 

[Proper Gander]

Hello Topkent

Asking a favour. You once posted an amazing video of that game between North and Hawthorn where Hodge and Lewis were suspended. I loved the way it was cut together - no goals (other than the Goldstein one to show that his eye was closing up) and just total chaos for the first quarter. Hilarious stuff.

I’m trying to find it but can’t. I wanted to show it to my partner earlier when we were having a conversation about rules and umpiring changing so quickly. Can you point me in the right direction?

 

[Bluelegs]

Hello Topkent

Asking a favour. You once posted an amazing video of that game between North and Hawthorn where Hodge and Lewis were suspended. I loved the way it was cut together - no goals (other than the Goldstein one to show that his eye was closing up) and just total chaos for the first quarter. Hilarious stuff.

I’m trying to find it but can’t. I wanted to show it to my partner earlier when we were having a conversation about rules and umpiring changing so quickly. Can you point me in the right direction?

I got you fam

Lol that game when Hodge and Lewis just thugged north for no reason was hilarious

 

[Proper Gander]

I got you fam

It’s amazing hearing the commentary! All about don’t leave your seats, this one has heat!

Also amazing was BT saying after the Hodge thing “was it intentional or was it an accident?” Right after Hodge gets up and takes a swing at someone’s head outside of the play.

Interesting that it sparked off originally from Taylor Duryea too. Until I saw it I had no recollection that he could be that guy.

We’re having a fun game now at my house arguing how many weeks and who if it happened in 2024.

 

[Bluelegs]

It’s amazing hearing the commentary! All about don’t leave your seats, this one has heat!

Also amazing was BT saying after the Hodge thing “was it intentional or was it an accident?” Right after Hodge gets up and takes a swing at someone’s head outside of the play.

Interesting that it sparked off originally from Taylor Duryea too. Until I saw it I had no recollection that he could be that guy.

We’re having a fun game now at my house arguing how many weeks and who if it happened in 2024.

"AS LEWIS AND FIRRITO GO HEAD TO HEAD. AND NOT JUST IN A PHYSICAL SENSE!"

 

[Bluelegs]

Pre Ashley and Martin Lewis seen there too.

 

[Proper Gander]

"AS LEWIS AND FIRRITO GO HEAD TO HEAD. AND NOT JUST IN A PHYSICAL SENSE!"

That was a belter and I’m still trying not to think through what that meant

 

[Proper Gander]

Pre Ashley and Martin Lewis seen there too.

Tricky thing, the www. You can’t find and destroy all the tapes.

 

[Topkent]

 

[Headless]

TJ is a good story-teller.

 

[Headless]

What's your favourite thing about this forum, mores?

 

[Bluelegs]

Been on a bit of a US history binge recently. Listening to the soundtrack of Stephen Sondheim's Assassins, podcasts about the revolutionary war and so on. Recently watched All the Presidents Men with Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman. Honestly a brilliant movie that takes a story that the details of were incredibly well known by the time it was released and managed to turn it into one of the most suspenseful movies ever, masterfully combined realism with splashes of style that have become tropes of the political thriller genre to this day.

Decided to follow it up with Oliver Stone's Nixon and had a big laugh at the opening which in true Oliver Stone fashion lays the mood on thick, opening with shots of the White House on a dark and stormy night as if it's The Amityville Horror

 

[Proper Gander]

Been on a bit of a US history binge recently. Listening to the soundtrack of Stephen Sondheim's Assassins, podcasts about the revolutionary war and so on. Recently watched All the Presidents Men with Robert Redford and Dustin Hoffman. Honestly a brilliant movie that takes a story that the details of were incredibly well known by the time it was released and managed to turn it into one of the most suspenseful movies ever, masterfully combined realism with splashes of style that have become tropes of the political thriller genre to this day.

Decided to follow it up with Oliver Stone's Nixon and had a big laugh at the opening which in true Oliver Stone fashion lays the mood on thick, opening with shots of the White House on a dark and stormy night as if it's The Amityville Horror

I rewatched All The President’s Men just a week back. Terrific movie. I’ve been trying to work trough classic films that I have somehow never seen, but I keep sneaking in ones that I’ve seen before.