List Mgmt. 2022 AFL Draft & Rookie Draft

[Aphrodite]

 

[Garters]

This flight risk thing. Unless, the kid shows adamant signs he wants to stay home, we need to back ourselves to keep him. If a player sniffs a premiership, he won't go (Nick Stevens excepted). Do you think Essendon regret drafting Wanganeen, or Carlton Buzza because they went home. I think you can be too paranoid at times

An 18 month contract to the UK kept me there for nearly 10 Years owing to a great firm, great people, and opportunity. You build it they will come, build a premiership contending environment, they will stay.

 

[WeedsMullet84]

So you're saying Adelaide can now trade its future first and 2nd???

How very interesting....

That's my thinking as well. Kind of kills two birds with one stone in that the future Kangas 2nd is probably even more desirable than our Pick 23 this year, and it also means that Pick 23 doesn't get eaten up by a earlier than expected bid on our F/S nomination, Michalanney.

I can potentially see us throwing our future 1st and 2nd somewhere, maybe not the future Kangas 2nd

 

[Pablito]

Not convinced we need a tall defender high in the draft, but if we did, would much prefer Hayes to Busslinger. Although I have questions on both being “enough” defender over interceptor, Hayes has far superior disposal.

Busslinger was routinely assigned kick-in duties throughout the year. Meaning coaches from multiple teams have huge amount of confidence in the kicking ability of a 196cm defender. He can take on the big bodied forwards when he puts on 8-10kg of muscle.

Hayes couldn't finish the 2km time trial which is a bit of a red flag for me. For comparison I am a very very amateur athlete with sinus issues and ran it with relative ease today in just over 8 min. I'd have Hayes below Weddle also based on what I saw Weddle do to Cadman for large portions of the VM vs VC game. Weddle also tested very well at the combine. I like Hayes but I would probably have him 3rd out of those 3 tall defenders.

 

[Bletch]

Even if we had already decided not to take him, why would we tell him that? Makes no sense.

 

[Garters]

Busslinger was routinely assigned kick-in duties throughout the year. Meaning coaches from multiple teams have huge amount of confidence in the kicking ability of a 196cm defender. He can take on the big bodied forwards when he puts on 8-10kg of muscle.

Hayes couldn't finish the 2km time trial which is a bit of a red flag for me. For comparison I am a very very amateur athlete with sinus issues and ran it with relative ease today in just over 8 min. I'd have Hayes below Weddle also based on what I saw Weddle do to Cadman for large portions of the VM vs VC game. Weddle also tested very well at the combine. I like Hayes but I would probably have him 3rd out of those 3rd tall defenders.

In what sense couldnt finish it, Pulled up injured? Well connected Pie eater at work says Hayes is top of their list.

 

[Pablito]

In what sense couldnt finish it, Pulled up injured? Well connected Pie eater at work says Hayes is top of their list.

Exhausted near the finish, there's a few videos of it online. Fair enough with Hayes, I see the appeal but for me I'd go with Busslinger.

 

[Garters]

Exhausted near the finish, there's a few videos of it online. Fair enough with Hayes, I see the appeal but for me I'd go with Busslinger.

Interesting. 2kms, they should be eating that sh*t for breakfast circa 6.50 odd for average (1st rnd / 2nd rnd level) kids.

 

[Garters]

TBH haven't seen enough of Hayes to take an educated stand between Hayes v the Gunslinger., but what I have seen of Busslinger looks like there is quite a bit to work with.

There does seem to be pretty wild levels of variation in perception of quality / depth across all lines of this draft. Get a sense there is going to be a few higher pick busts and a few lower pick diamonds.

 

[ray8182]

Good luck up there the next couple weeks ray. I enjoy your contributions around draft time.

Yep on Kemp. I thought he did well in his 2 senior games as a defender when our defence was under siege and thought he was unluckily dropped back into the purgatory of 2nds footy.

With Marchy, Gov, Newman and Kemp, it is gonna be incredibly tough for 2 of those to get a game. Of course, injury will rear it's head for some in this group, so taking your chances when presented will be a must. The more we win, the more it will be harder to get in the team. So pre-season is huge to push your way to the front of the queue early.

Really like Kemp as an AFL player. I trust Vossy gives him a real shot at it in pre-season with some defined goals that can result in a coveted spot in the side somewhere. Then it's up to Kemp himself to deliver through pre-season and early in the year.

It’s going to be an interesting week in echuca/Moama.

I like kemp and long term prefer him over marchbank as marchbanks kicking concerns me. I still like marchbank as a footballer though.

I noticed you like many on this board are keen on Phillipou. Because of the interest lve been watching his highlights trying to get a feel for him. I keep seeing a guy whose style reminds me of an inside midfielder who can go forward and take a mark. But lm still not sure that is entirely accurate.

I’ve noticed from the draft camp that he has good endurance but doesn’t look particularly quick. In the highlights l don’t see much run and carry. Tends to win the ball and give it off. That’s why l keep thinking inside midfielder.

I feel like l need more footage to watch to judge him better because a recent package l watched seemed 70% taking marks. Maybe he is more a half forward who creates goals. Someone to replace Martin.

I also find myself looking for a player in this draft who will provide at least some run and carry and give Carlton some real go forward momentum. This is why l struggle with the idea of drafting phillipou.


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[The Return of the Paf]

Even if we had already decided not to take him, why would we tell him that? Makes no sense.

It was exactly my point in the draft rumors thread. Surely this far out we wouldn't be so smug in our list management tactics to assume that we can safely ignore him, particularly if he has the ability to swing forward as well. Most on here seem to think he is a player worth taking if we were to decide to go tall but tend to squabble a lot more to reach any kind of consensus regarding non KPPs and other prospects. If true, it's either intriguing or it's stupid

 

[Jimmae]

Would be happy with any of Phillipou, Busslinger or Hewett, but think Hewett suits us the most. Would be happy for us to take 2 of them, honestly.

My issue with Humphrey is that he is probably forward first, and aside from his tank improving somewhat as he trims down to bring some slightly cleaner sprints into the mix, you're looking at the finished product. I don't think he's a full-time midfielder and I'm worried about his repeat efforts as a pressuring forward, so I don't think that suits our side.

Not sure where he sits, but understand why people like him in the top 10.

Do Hayes/Busslinger show any signs of potentially pinch hitting as forwards?

Busslinger would be solid as a mobile CHF.

Rumour on the draft rumours board says we told Busslinger we won't take him. Knightmares phantom draft on ESPN has us taking him....

That's a silly move by us if true, for so many reasons, including that we should absolutely be considering him if we can't trade down heavily in our favour.

 

[TENACIOUS]

Phillipou (Fwd/Mid)
Jones (Mid/Fwd)
Lemmey (KPF)
Scully (KPF/Ruck)

KPF	Ruck	KPD
McKay Curnow Lemmey Scully (KPF/Ruck)	Pittonet TDK (Ruck/KPF) Scully (KPF/Ruck) Mirkov	Weitering Young Durdin

We are short a KPD, we could look at one in the MSD, or 2023 draft... McGovern, Kemp or Marchback can pinch hit if required...

I'd really like to get the depth this year for our forward line and not wait, at this stage we only have 2x KPF...
If one or both went down, for some period, it could be season over...

VFL

C: ...... - ..... - Phillipou
HF: ...... - Scully - Jones
FF: ...... - Lemmey - ......

 

[sweethoney]

Will Tasmanians be flight risks with the new Tazzy team coming in in the coming years?

Don’t mind Cowan though.

Not sure if they will be a flight risk. But apparently the whisper is Tassie will have to trade in talent with the draft picks they’ll get instead of going to the draft. So the blow outs aren’t the game as when Gold Coast and gws came in.
If getting someone from Tassie now could help out with our draft hand in the future

 

[Arr0w]

Can't see any other club selecting Lemmey apart from either of the SA clubs

 

[Ninja Worrier]

I've got a new wishlist.

If Stamos is my list Manager and splitting the pick I'll take Cowan then one of Burgiel/Konstanty

 

[Arr0w]

I've got a new wishlist.

If Stamos is my list Manager and splitting the pick I'll take Cowan then one of Burgiel/Konstanty

I would take Burgiel and Konstanty ahead of Cowan

Cowan seems like he has some dash, but his sprint results were poor.

His disposal by foot is average and his decision making just slightly better

I wouldn't take him with our 2nd pick

 

[DangerousD]

I know the general consensus is draft best available but most seem to think there is generally a few players rated very evenl so you can pick for needs to an extent. I’ve put down a quick best 22 for next season below, as when you write your 22 down I hunk it gives you an idea of where our weakest positions are.

Even though some areas of our best 22 look good on paper, my best team includes Willoams, Gov and Marchbank who are all injury prone and unreliable, their history shows they can’t be relied upon for any long periods and this is why I think defenders are an area of need.

For me, our weakest areas are tall defenders, small/medium forwards and Ruck, after that we have a serious lack of key forward depth and midfield depth.

FB. Williams-Young-Doch
HB. Gov-Weitering-Saad
C. Acres-Cripps-Cerra
HF. Fish-Charlie-Durdin
FF. TDK-Harry-Motlop
Fol. Pitt-Walsh-Hewett

Int. Kennedy, Marchbank, Newman, Martin

After all that, it’s pretty much just a super long winded way of saying I think we need to draft a key defender, a ruck/forward and some midfield depth

 

[Foucault1989]

Kemp reminds me of Burton who started at hawthorn and is now at port. Taller utility type with good speed who can intercept but also provide run out of defence.


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Spot on

 

[Foucault1989]

Would be happy with any of Phillipou, Busslinger or Hewett, but think Hewett suits us the most. Would be happy for us to take 2 of them, honestly.

My issue with Humphrey is that he is probably forward first, and aside from his tank improving somewhat as he trims down to bring some slightly cleaner sprints into the mix, you're looking at the finished product. I don't think he's a full-time midfielder and I'm worried about his repeat efforts as a pressuring forward, so I don't think that suits our side.

Not sure where he sits, but understand why people like him in the top 10.

Busslinger would be solid as a mobile CHF.

That's a silly move by us if true, for so many reasons, including that we should absolutely be considering him if we can't trade down heavily in our favour.

Agreed. Those three seem to fit our needs around our range

 

[SurreyBlue]

Can't see any other club selecting Lemmey apart from either of the SA clubs

Gut tells me, this kid is being hidden.

 

[Matty411]

Still don't mind Humphrey esp if he's there for us but he will go top 7 in my mind. Him and Ginbey appear the flavour right now.

Bailey looks and will translate to a JDG sans the DH factor. Lot of drive, resilience and X-Factor. Loves Cripps too so would be great in our side.

 

[Arr0w]

Gut tells me, this kid is being hidden.

Not quite

 

[La Dispute]

Not convinced we need a tall defender high in the draft, but if we did, would much prefer Hayes to Busslinger. Although I have questions on both being “enough” defender over interceptor, Hayes has far superior disposal.

I feel like Hayes is better at ground level and his skills are superior to Busslinger’s, although Busslinger can hit some beautiful long range passes.

I see their upside and ceiling as being pretty similar, but I’d prefer we invest in other areas or try to add a pick in the later stages of the first or early second if we think Hayes is going to slide - which I think may happen to some degree.

 

[SurreyBlue]

Not quite

Agree, not exactly ‘hide’ but that is the overall intent.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

I feel like Hayes is better at ground level and his skills are superior to Busslinger’s, although Busslinger can hit some beautiful long range passes.

I see their upside and ceiling as being pretty similar, but I’d prefer we invest in other areas or try to add a pick in the later stages of the first or early second if we think Hayes is going to slide - which I think may happen to some degree.

Surely a KPF is more of a need than a KPD - or at least a swingman type?

Durdin the taller is a back up KPD, we have nothing as back up up forward?

I'm quite keen on Keeler for this reason.