Weitering looking really good so far.
2022 All Aus Predictions and Rolling teams
- Thread starter chopflop
- Start date
- Tagged users None
- Dec 12, 2008
- 5,547
- 8,215
- AFL Club
- Carlton
- Other Teams
- Arsenal
I will continue to quote this weekly!
Jarmaine Jones
Dont think he has been anything special in the first 2 rounds but has done his job. Wouldnt be surprised if he has a lesser year then last year but gets in off the back of Carlton having an improved ladder position. Probably the main reason Allir and May got picked ahead of him last year.
Toump Ass
The Big Deal
- Jun 14, 2015
- 19,600
- 43,164
- AFL Club
- Melbourne
- Other Teams
- Port Adelaide Power
May was robbed of an AA position in 2020 but in any case he thoroughly deserved his spot in 2021.
Statistically the best defence in the history of our sport, that Melbourne Demons only had 2 representatives in the AA backline is disgraceful.
- Mar 2, 2015
- 19,401
- 35,171
- AFL Club
- Hawthorn
Really? By what measure would that be?
The Dees have a great defence, but a big part of that was the hard 2-way running of your midfielders. Not just the superstars Gawn, Petracca and Oliver, but particularly the underrated hard workers like Brayshaw, Viney, Langdon and Harmes... They make life easier for May, Lever, Salem, etc.
Come off it, mate. This is an absurd comment . I'll let the "Melbourne Demons" monicker slide by. Something a Yank might say, but whatever.
2 reps in the AA backline is a major tick, but you're moaning because Salem wasn't chosen. Don't get greedy. Try to imagine how Saints fans felt in 2009/2010 when their team made the Grand Final in successive years and kept their opponents to historic low scores. How many defenders did those St Kilda teams have selected by numpty AA committee? None... ZERO!
Hawthorn won 3 successive premierships from 2013-2015 thanks partly to one of the best backlines ever. They had an all-star lineup in defence. But how many times do you think Brian Lake, Josh Gibson, Luke Hodge, Grant Birchall, Shaun Burgoyne, Brent Guerra or Ben Stratton were selected in the All Australian team in those 3 seasons? ONE! (Josh Gibson in 2013, his sole AA blazer... Gibbo was dead unlucky not to be selected in at least three AA teams). Zero for the others... You wanna talk about disgraceful AA selectors!
Melbourne had FIVE players selected in last year's All Australian team. That's TWO more players than Hawthorn ever got in the AA team in any one year during the Clarkson Dynasty. If you're going to bellyache about your team being robbed of AA selections, you can at least wait until you finish on top of the ladder or win the flag, but only get 1 or 2 players chosen in the AA team like the Richmond and Hawthorn premiership teams.
I had Salem in my AA team, by the way, ahead of Daniel Rich who is more of a Shannon Hurn type that AA selectors seem to love. i.e. a well-built guy who lets his his teammates win all the hard balls and receives 25 handballs per game and kicks the ball accurately and with penetration.
But the Dees got 5 of a possible 6 players selected. That's a great result. The Hawks used to get 2 out of 6.
Last edited:
Strapping Young Lad
Moderator
- Apr 19, 2006
- 101,058
- 253,965
- AFL Club
- Hawthorn
- Other Teams
- Storm, Spurs, Socceroos
- Moderator
- #157
It still drives me wild that Gibson only got 1x AA.
Not saying it wasnt deserved. Any of May, Weitering, Allir and probably Andrews would have been deserving of the 2 KPD posts last year. Just saying if its a tight decision the player in the better team usually gets the nod which hasnt helped Weitering the last 2 years.
Also, Melbourne had a great year in 2021 but I dont buy that it entitles you to a morgage on the all australian team. You had 5 reps which is a fantastic effort. There were probably a couple of other guys that could have been selected but none were obvious.
Toump Ass
The Big Deal
- Jun 14, 2015
- 19,600
- 43,164
- AFL Club
- Melbourne
- Other Teams
- Port Adelaide Power
There are many metrics that demonstrate Dees defence is the best ever, my favourite is lowest score for the amount of inside 50's conceded IN HISTORY, this one very nicely and clearly proves my point I think.
BTW I don't care that Hawthorn got dudded out of All Australians or even agree that they did, but thank you for supporting my contention that AA selectors get things wrong a lot, that's great!
As an aside it is nice to see Hawthorn supporters come into a thread just to say "WHAT ABOUT HAWTHORN IN 2013!?!?!", this used to be every thread and ngl I missed that very much! NOSTALGIA TRIP~!!!!!
- May 6, 2007
- 42,931
- 26,329
- AFL Club
- Essendon
- Other Teams
- Tottenham Hotspurs, Melbourne Vixen
Didn't Geelong have 9 one year iirc? that must be some sort of record and quite easily too imho
- May 6, 2007
- 42,931
- 26,329
- AFL Club
- Essendon
- Other Teams
- Tottenham Hotspurs, Melbourne Vixen
I hope in years go by that teams like the Hawthorn Clarko dynasty are recognised for how great they were in due time because as a collective, I don't think we'll see any better for an extended period of time like those Hawks did for 3 - 5 years.
- May 6, 2007
- 42,931
- 26,329
- AFL Club
- Essendon
- Other Teams
- Tottenham Hotspurs, Melbourne Vixen
Two early locks;
I.Heeney
P.Cripps
I.Heeney
P.Cripps
- Mar 2, 2015
- 19,401
- 35,171
- AFL Club
- Hawthorn
That doesn't prove your point, at all. That's just cherry picking a statistic to suit your fanciful claim. It could simply be a symptom of Melbourne's style of play and the way they set up. Maybe Goodwin is happy for opponents bomb the ball in repeatedly and hit them on the rebound from your defensive fifty.
We would need to see more detailed stats about those inside fifties conceded. What percentage of them were shallow non-threatening inside 50's where you had a numerical advantage? What percentage were deep inside 50's when your defenders were under serious pressure, one-on-one and running back towards goal?
I'd be interested to see the full list of the Top 50 Defences for 'goals conceded per inside 50'. That way we could see who else ranked highly on that metric and judge for ourselves whether it holds up as a decent measure of the games best ever defences.
But it still doesn't prove Melbourne's backline in 2021 was the greatest EVA. Backlines are also rated by coaches for their ability to set up scoring chances. Not just stopping goals.
Don't be a penis
I mentioned Hawthorn because I barrack for the Hawks and easily recall some examples from 2013-2015
But I also mentioned St Kilda 2009/10 and Richmond 2017-2021
And there are plenty of other examples of deserving players getting stiffed by the AA selection panel. It happens every year.
LOL at you complaining about Melbourne only getting 5 of their players selected from the 7 who were short-listed in the squad
Last edited:
Toump Ass
The Big Deal
- Jun 14, 2015
- 19,600
- 43,164
- AFL Club
- Melbourne
- Other Teams
- Port Adelaide Power
I agree, there should have been more than seven selected. Langdon very stiff but he did cop a concussion, miss a game and was impeded when he returned. I guess also he is a pure winger, so that probably counted against him.
He's started the year very well though, I've pencilled him in for this year.
- Mar 2, 2015
- 19,401
- 35,171
- AFL Club
- Hawthorn
The Cats had 9 All-Australians in 2007 and I think it was 7 in 2008
16 of Geelong's 2008 Grand Final team were All Australian at some point in their career (either before, after or in 2008)
I doubt we'll ever see that again.
Last edited:
Heeney should sew up a HFF spot. Not many current players can kick >35 goals and average 20+ possesions over a season. I think Heeney can do it with ease if he stays injury free.
- May 5, 2006
- 63,036
- 70,455
- AFL Club
- West Coast
Being a defender in a top 4 side is pretty overrated. I like Steven May. He's a great key defender and worthy of an AA post. But I like him when he played for a shit Gold Coast team and didn't have Lever helping him out and Petracca, Oliver, Gawn etc in front of him.
People frothed over Richmond's back 6 and Rance, Grimes, Houli all made AA sides and Vlaustin made a 40 man squad - but when their forward pressure game plan fell down they leaked goals pretty quickly. I remember watching us play them a few years ago. They won 13.10 to 13.4. We kicked 11 of our 13 goals in two bursts within 40 min of game time, they kicked their 13 spread out over the 120 min of play despite dominating the middle two quarters. What I liked (past tense) about our defence is that it didn't go to water when under pressure. You see that with the WB now. Their defence really battles when not shielded by their normally strong midfield. Last night's first half was a procession of clearance -> inside 50 -> mark -> goal.
The AA selectors chop and change what they actually want in a back 6. Daniel Rich, Bachar Houli, Rory Laird, Sam Docherty... these guys haven't seen an opponent in years but bring attacking weapons to the game. I love Shannon Hurn but he's been the same player for a decade or so and a switch in game style to give him a couple more uncontested marks and possessions a game and he's AA captain.
People frothed over Richmond's back 6 and Rance, Grimes, Houli all made AA sides and Vlaustin made a 40 man squad - but when their forward pressure game plan fell down they leaked goals pretty quickly. I remember watching us play them a few years ago. They won 13.10 to 13.4. We kicked 11 of our 13 goals in two bursts within 40 min of game time, they kicked their 13 spread out over the 120 min of play despite dominating the middle two quarters. What I liked (past tense) about our defence is that it didn't go to water when under pressure. You see that with the WB now. Their defence really battles when not shielded by their normally strong midfield. Last night's first half was a procession of clearance -> inside 50 -> mark -> goal.
The AA selectors chop and change what they actually want in a back 6. Daniel Rich, Bachar Houli, Rory Laird, Sam Docherty... these guys haven't seen an opponent in years but bring attacking weapons to the game. I love Shannon Hurn but he's been the same player for a decade or so and a switch in game style to give him a couple more uncontested marks and possessions a game and he's AA captain.
scott_the_man
Club Legend
- Feb 25, 2014
- 2,304
- 2,936
- AFL Club
- Brisbane Lions
Expecting Zac Bailey to go up a notch and get a spot on the HFF.
- Nov 14, 2010
- 46,910
- 54,332
- AFL Club
- North Melbourne
Luke McDonald half back flank
Chaisa
Brownlow Medallist
- Jun 2, 2013
- 15,003
- 14,898
- AFL Club
- Sydney
- Other Teams
- The Exers
Heeney's had 46 disposals and 8 goals. Monster stats from 2 games.
Have really liked Blakey off half-back too.
Have really liked Blakey off half-back too.
WWSD
Premium Platinum
Veteran
10k Posts
Hawthorn Hawks - Conor Nash Player Sponsor 2020
Hawthorn Hawks - James Cousins Player Sponsor 2020
Hawthorn Hawks - Conor Nash Player Sponsor 2019
Hawthorn Hawks - James Cousins Player Sponsor 2019
Hawthorn Hawks - Conor Nash Player Sponsor 2018
Hawthorn Hawks - James Cousins Player Sponsor 2018
- Sep 7, 2009
- 24,285
- 55,000
Gunston and Sicily if they both play a full season. Gunston could kick 40-50 goals playing close to every game, Sicily is due to make it at some point.
Three standouts at the moment are Petracca, Cripps and Touk Miller.
Hirsty23
Team Captain
- Apr 26, 2015
- 487
- 1,386
- AFL Club
- Brisbane Lions
All 3 brilliant. Neale is in this group too.
If that happens I suspect Gunston will be in the squad for the 6th time and miss out on selection for the 5th time.
With all the mids you have to squeeze into the forward spots, it only leaves room for a minimum number of key and small forwards and they see Gunston as neither.
