Autopsy 2022 Grand Final

[melbournehammer]

Yep, as I watched the first centre bounce, then the first two minutes, then the first ten minutes I thought ‘Christ, we’re nowhere near it here, Geelong are absolutely all over us’. Shortly after I turned to my mate and said that even though we were terrible we were only about seven points down and could quickly turn things around - then the Cats banged on two or three quick goals and the game was gone.

From then on it quickly moved into humiliation territory

thats literally my experience. We were hanging on by desperate smothers and tackles and hadn’t got near the ball.

We were literally two metres behind everywhere.

Hickey pissed me off getting out rucked
by Hawkins

There’s no shame in that - a lot of rucks do. The problem was he was starting on the offensive side of Hawkins presumably on the basis that some help was coming from the defensive side. But if Hawkins catches and you are offensive side he pivots and kicks at goal. At least staring defensive side he has to kick it through you.

It was just a terrible start but as Cornes noted tuohy left heeney for dead to create Hawkins first mark and shot we were metres behind all day

 

[TheMase]

had not considered it to be honest , interesting to think about.

My first thought was can we expect it of him ? he's played 30 odd games, he should be icing on the cake/bit player

he is our top player for score involvements per game by a country mile (top 10 in the league ) so maybe he does ?

Oh no not necessarily expect it of him but just an area he can perhaps improve.

When he makes that break he does on occasion ignore his team mates to try and get through himself (admire his confidence!), I guess what I am suggesting is the higher % play at times might be for him to get the ball outside to runners who are in space after doing the amazing work of winning the footy.

 

[Tedeski]

How does Gary Rohan

23

Gary Rohan

Age

33

Ht

189cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.6

2star

K

6.6

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.5

4star

G

1.0

4star

D

8.8

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.8

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

2.3

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

3.0

3star

M

2.2

3star

T

4.2

5star

G

1.2

4star

end up with a p'ship medallion after being rated only better than Sam Reid

20

Sam Reid

Age

32

Ht

196cm

Wt

96kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.3

3star

K

6.3

2star

HB

5.0

4star

M

4.7

4star

T

2.2

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

0.0

1star

G

1.0

4star

D

9.4

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

0.4

3star

?

 

[Superstar swan]

I knew it was over when that ball ricocheted out of a pack and some how landed in isaac smith

7

Isaac Smith

Age

35

Ht

188cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

21.3

5star

K

13.0

5star

HB

8.4

5star

M

5.5

5star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.7

4star

D

19.4

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

8.3

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

2.5

3star

CL

1.3

4star

D

19.2

5star

K

10.6

4star

HB

8.6

5star

M

7.6

5star

T

2.0

4star

CL

0.6

3star

's hands running straight into goal

 

[melbournehammer]

Was just musing on Warner.

Just want to start off by saying that I love how he goes about it and the following is a bit of a thought bubble, not really a criticism, that could be clouded by disappointment and a rough nights sleep but I thought I’d put the thought bubble out there…

He is a brilliant individual player, that I don’t doubt, but does he make his teammates better and bring them into the game? We remember him for brilliant fend offs, stepping back out of the contest and those first few steps it’s almost like he Jedi mind tricks everyone into parting the seas for him and some brilliant goals.

I only say it because his game was a bit of an outlier statistically superior to his team mates but his actions don’t appear to have taken his team mates with him.

Not saying he won’t in the future… as I said just musings, generating some discussion.

Mills goal was a direct result of Warner involving the whole team and the. Kicking an outside of the foot pass. He was bringing. We just lacked helpers

 

[The King!]

Oh no not necessarily expect it of him but just an area he can perhaps improve.

When he makes that break he does on occasion ignore his team mates to try and get through himself (admire his confidence!), I guess what I am suggesting is the higher % play at times might be for him to get the ball outside to runners who are in space after doing the amazing work of winning the footy.

yeah absolutely. I do like that he and papley back themselves and are two who take a shot at times where others won't, can sometimes be the non team thing, but do need some guys with flair.

one thing is where he is now if he keeps improving, sky is the limit

 

[The King!]

How does Gary Rohan end up with a p'ship medallion after being rated only better than Sam Reid?

because he played with 21 other guys who didn't shit the bed

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

Warner improvement there is no telling how high his ceiling can be.

 

[Superstar swan]

Was just musing on Warner.

Just want to start off by saying that I love how he goes about it and the following is a bit of a thought bubble, not really a criticism, that could be clouded by disappointment and a rough nights sleep but I thought I’d put the thought bubble out there…

He is a brilliant individual player, that I don’t doubt, but does he make his teammates better and bring them into the game? We remember him for brilliant fend offs, stepping back out of the contest and those first few steps it’s almost like he Jedi mind tricks everyone into parting the seas for him and some brilliant goals.

I only say it because his game was a bit of an outlier statistically superior to his team mates but his actions don’t appear to have taken his team mates with him.

Not saying he won’t in the future… as I said just musings, generating some discussion.

I don't think he makes team mates better but neither did dusty. Who put together the most influential 4 years by a mid ivee ever seen.

Warner's strengths are individual based by that I mean his strength, power and speed to break away.

He is destined for big things. There is no player in the league I would trade him for.
Once the geelong love fest quiets down he will get his plaudits.

Absolute superstar

 

[melbournehammer]

I knew it was over when that ball ricocheted out of a pack and some how landed in isaac smith's hands running straight into goal

As noted elsewhere in what felt like our only foray forward in the first quarter rowbottom getting done for htb when kicking it as tackled was the moment for me.

As it transpired his kick went straight to a Geelong player so it mattered not as much but it was team destroying given how little ball we had

 

[The King!]

We are like Lebron James in finals really

 

[bedford]

I knew it was over when that ball ricocheted out of a pack and some how landed in isaac smith's hands running straight into goal

That happened all day

 

[Superstar swan]

Warner improvement there is no telling how high his ceiling can be.

Warner's back half of the year , he looked like a top 5 mid and for me was the most influential mid in the game

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

We are like Lebron James in finals really

I dont watch NBA is that a good or bad thing

 

[MK38]

Speaking of Warner and looking at the positives (one of the very few positives really) he really could be anything. To play like he did in his first GF and when everyone around him crumbled says something.

 

[caesar88]

Was just musing on Warner.

Just want to start off by saying that I love how he goes about it and the following is a bit of a thought bubble, not really a criticism, that could be clouded by disappointment and a rough nights sleep but I thought I’d put the thought bubble out there…

He is a brilliant individual player, that I don’t doubt, but does he make his teammates better and bring them into the game? We remember him for brilliant fend offs, stepping back out of the contest and those first few steps it’s almost like he Jedi mind tricks everyone into parting the seas for him and some brilliant goals.

I only say it because his game was a bit of an outlier statistically superior to his team mates but his actions don’t appear to have taken his team mates with him.

Not saying he won’t in the future… as I said just musings, generating some discussion.

Mate, you have read my mind. I had been thinking this since the QF when all of those Warnerisms were nowhere to be seen yet we played fantastic, exciting footy all the same.

I agree that I absolutely love what he offers, but I think he can best put it to use in games that are open and not too contested. He struggles more when the game is tighter.

The problem though is that if games aren't that contested and high-pressure, then it means the other team is potentially doing the exact same thing. As we saw with Geelong yesterday. For every great break out the back of a pack Warner was making, Dangerfield was doing the same. And when he had a blinder against North, Davies-Uniacke was doing the exact same thing the other way. The Essendon game at the G another example as their clearances just killed us.

The team seems to function better when we crank up the heat and the contested side of our game to stop the opposition, and then create opportunities from there. But doing that often seems to render the role of a purely attacking mid a bit null and void.

Might just be a work in progress type of thing with all the mids. Easy to forget they have played not even two full seasons together really.

 

[Superstar swan]

That happened all day

Yep every loose ball found a geelong player.

I'm a believer you create your own luck in this game. They outworked us. Only fair it went their way

 

[The King!]

I dont watch NBA is that a good or bad thing

his finals record is 4 wins and 6 losses

 

[Deccas]

Was just musing on Warner.

Just want to start off by saying that I love how he goes about it and the following is a bit of a thought bubble, not really a criticism, that could be clouded by disappointment and a rough nights sleep but I thought I’d put the thought bubble out there…

He is a brilliant individual player, that I don’t doubt, but does he make his teammates better and bring them into the game? We remember him for brilliant fend offs, stepping back out of the contest and those first few steps it’s almost like he Jedi mind tricks everyone into parting the seas for him and some brilliant goals.

I only say it because his game was a bit of an outlier statistically superior to his team mates but his actions don’t appear to have taken his team mates with him.

Not saying he won’t in the future… as I said just musings, generating some discussion.

It's a fair question but I think he does. His best action yesterday was giving and going a few times before a really neat little kick that set up mills goal. He is pretty good at bringing others into the game.

 

[The King!]

Yep every loose ball found a geelong player.

I'm a believer you create your own luck in this game. They outworked us. Only fair it went their way

absolutely and they took the game on and dared to take chances

we just almost didn't do anything

we went wide so much

 

[Superstar swan]

Alot of stuff warner does goes unnoticed. People see him running down the wing but they don't notice his freak ability to stop on a dime and change direction. He has the quickest power acceleration I have ever seen.

Not to mention he is IMPOSSIBLE to bring to ground

 

[MK38]

That happened all day

Yep and really we needed a bit of luck to even have a chance to get back in the game and absolutely nothing fell our way.

 

[Heeney2Franklin]

absolutely and they took the game on and dared to take chances

we just almost didn't do anything

we went wide so much

Then i thought we went to reckless and aggressive trying to overcorrect in the 3rd.

 

[The King!]

Then i thought we went to reckless and aggressive trying to overcorrect in the 3rd.

3rd i just remember mccartin looking like he had never played footy before

then i was contemplating running into traffic

 

[caesar88]

The first ten minutes of the first quarter were the only thing I judged the game on really. After that you really just want to see some effort and fight with the game already over.