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Bjo187 said:
Something I find very annoying but of course the AFL admin are promoting their own business in a way, making them seem the all powerful.

I also find it staggering that they've let soccer call themselves 'Australian football', basically stealing the identity of the national game. I used the example elsewhere of if soccer in the U.S started calling themselves 'American football' all hell would break loose.
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I too find it a tiny bit unbelievable how meek the AFL has been about soccer using Australian football.
 
SBD Gonzalez said:
The sort of schittes ‘n giggles the leviathan of Australian sport pulls because it can! I thought it was hilarious.


Help me out here - I’ve watched a few A-League games, but I can’t recall - do they have ad breaks in general play (and therefore risk not covering a goal), or just after goals and at half time?
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I just think it is sad that the AFL try and make a slow release of a "fixture" as some sort of event. Or even news. Can't think of another sport that releases its fixtures like this.

Did you watch the FIFA world cup? No ad breaks between play. That is how it is 99% of the time. soccer keeps it simple and doesn't change the game with the amount of time between goals just to please TV networks. (and then sooks about how long the match goes for)
 

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BobbyMorri said:
I just think it is sad that the AFL try and make a slow release of a "fixture" as some sort of event. Or even news. Can't think of another sport that releases its fixtures like this.

Did you watch the FIFA world cup? No ad breaks between play. That is how it is 99% of the time. soccer keeps it simple and doesn't change the game with the amount of time between goals just to please TV networks. (and then sooks about how long the match goes for)
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That's why most major soccer leagues around the world are hosted on pay TV.
 
BobbyMorri said:
I just think it is sad that the AFL try and make a slow release of a "fixture" as some sort of event. Or even news. Can't think of another sport that releases its fixtures like this.
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Sure. Each to their own.
BobbyMorri said:
Did you watch the FIFA world cup? No ad breaks between play. That is how it is 99% of the time. soccer keeps it simple and doesn't change the game with the amount of time between goals just to please TV networks. (and then sooks about how long the match goes for)
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I think you misunderstand me. I’m not having a go at soccer for its lack of goals (though it personally bores me).

I’m talking about the relative attractiveness of the sport for advertisers, in a country that has big followings for other sports that have frequent breaks in play and hence more opportunities for ads - the lifeblood of FTA.

For potential advertisers on Australian TV, other sports simply offer more bang for their buck.

And my point is a lot of Oz soccer fans perceive a wicked media conspiracy against their fine sport, but the reality is much more prosaic - it’s just not as attractive for advertisers.
 
Rob said:
That's why most major soccer leagues around the world are hosted on pay TV.
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true.

But again, it wouldnt matter if there were eyeballs on the product.
SBD Gonzalez said:
Sure. Each to their own.
I think you misunderstand me. I’m not having a go at soccer for its lack of goals (though it personally bores me).

I’m talking about the relative attractiveness of the sport for advertisers, in a country that has big followings for other sports that have frequent breaks in play and hence more opportunities for ads - the lifeblood of FTA.

For potential advertisers on Australian TV, other sports simply offer more bang for their buck.

And my point is a lot of Oz soccer fans perceive a wicked media conspiracy against their fine sport, but the reality is much more prosaic - it’s just not as attractive for advertisers.
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No, you were. You are talking crap.

Again, I repeat, if there is eyeballs, then that is what matters. TV will find a way to put ads in any product.

For example
 
BobbyMorri said:
No, you were. You are talking crap.

Again, I repeat, if there is eyeballs, then that is what matters. TV will find a way to put ads in any product.

For example
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Are you for real? Yes, of course TV will find away to put ads in any product, but only when they have to. It's beyond parody to think that they don't want to hit the consumer directly with as many tailor-made ads as possible.

LOL I'm sure Toyota and AAMI and Bunnings and NAB and all the other big AFL sponsors that help to repeatedly make the AFL's broadcast deals the richest in Australian TV history would all give up their blanket in-game advertising for a dopey mention by a star in a lame comedy setup.

I seriously suspect you don't understand how advertising works.
 
SBD Gonzalez said:
Are you for real? Yes, of course TV will find away to put ads in any product, but only when they have to. It's beyond parody to think that they don't want to hit the consumer directly with as many tailor-made ads as possible.

LOL I'm sure Toyota and AAMI and Bunnings and NAB and all the other big AFL sponsors that help to repeatedly make the AFL's broadcast deals the richest in Australian TV history would all give up their blanket in-game advertising for a dopey mention by a star in a lame comedy setup.

I seriously suspect you don't understand how advertising works.
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Cant you read.

I repeat,

it wouldnt matter if there were eyeballs on the product. I think that is the 5th time I said that line. And I posted that skit because that ad was played so often during the 2010 World Cup that we all know the words 12 years on. By your reckoning, ads dont exisit in soccer because it is boring and no goals and we dont stop play to play more ads. Not sure your last point is a good thing by the way.

Its great that the AFL has the richest TV deal in Australia. The EPL has the 3rd richest in the world. They have that not because they play more ads than the A-league or AFL, but because they have (a lot) more eyeballs on the product.
 

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SBD Gonzalez said:
Australian soccer shoots itself in the foot again.

www.smh.com.au

Player injured, Melbourne derby abandoned after violent pitch invasion

Play between Melbourne Victory and Melbourne City was abandoned after fans stormed the pitch, with goalkeeper Tom Glover bloodied in the chaos.
www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au
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That was just ridiculous. Someone threw a flare onto the pitch, the keeper threw it back and all hell broke loose. Where did that moron get the bin from anyway? It's like a bunch of w***ers watched Green Street Hooligans and thought "that's for me". They probably don't even give a shit about soccer.
 
Rob said:
That was just ridiculous. Someone threw a flare onto the pitch, the keeper threw it back and all hell broke loose. Where did that moron get the bin from anyway? It's like a bunch of w***ers watched Green Street Hooligans and thought "that's for me". They probably don't even give a s**t about soccer.
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from what i hear on twitter, several already have life bans from the stadium. Hopefully, they get assault charges in top of everything

I am not normally someone who likes to punish everyone for the actions of a few but I statement needs to be made. If you host idiots, you are as much to blame for what happens next. and that goes to Victory, the club, as well. No excuse and no mercy.
 
Apparently the 29,306 at the Gabba today was their biggest ever non-Ashes test crowd.

The first three days in Adelaide against the West Indies were very good as well (24k, 27k, 25k).

Test cricket in better health than reported after the Perth test, which now looks pretty abysmal in comparison.
 
BobbyMorri said:
Cant you read.

I repeat,

it wouldnt matter if there were eyeballs on the product. I think that is the 5th time I said that line. And I posted that skit because that ad was played so often during the 2010 World Cup that we all know the words 12 years on. By your reckoning, ads dont exisit in soccer because it is boring and no goals and we dont stop play to play more ads. Not sure your last point is a good thing by the way.

Its great that the AFL has the richest TV deal in Australia. The EPL has the 3rd richest in the world. They have that not because they play more ads than the A-league or AFL, but because they have (a lot) more eyeballs on the product.
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Yeah but we're talking about soccer in Australia. That was made perfectly clear from my very first post. Completely ridiculous to compare a huge but domestic comp like the AFL with a league with a potential catchment of a billion people across an entire continent comprising dozens of countries.

The fact is, domestic soccer in Australia in a less attractive prospect for advertisers, and one of the reasons is they have very few opportunities to sell their wares because there are few breaks in play. Can't make it clearer. Combine that with the risible viewing figures for the A-League telecasts, and you've got a giant advertising dead end.

Money talks. And in this case, the lack of opportunities to make money couldn’t shout louder.

It's great that soccer has this international spread and big Australian advertisers can take advantage of all those eyeballs. But if the flagship domestic comp is a commercial wasteland - and in regard to advertising revenue it is - that's pretty dire for the future of the sport.

And drop the petty "can't you read" snipes thanks.
 
manicmagpie said:
Apparently the 29,306 at the Gabba today was their biggest ever non-Ashes test crowd.

The first three days in Adelaide against the West Indies were very good as well (24k, 27k, 25k).

Test cricket in better health than reported after the Perth test, which now looks pretty abysmal in comparison.
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There is a lesson for the AFL here. The flash and disruption of the soulless BBL has come and gone within a few years. Crowds are 20% of what they were and ratings about 1/3. It is a total collapse. Test cricket, which has not changed in 100 years, is absolutely killing it.

If it ain’t broke, don’t fix it.
 
Professor Knowall said:
Well, that article hasn’t aged well at all.
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I try to explain to soccer fans that how well the socceroos go means absolutely nothing in relation to the A-League. Nothing.
Sometimes events like last night helps such delusional people get the message a lot more clearly.
 
SBD Gonzalez said:
Yeah but we're talking about soccer in Australia. That was made perfectly clear from my very first post. Completely ridiculous to compare a huge but domestic comp like the AFL with a league with a potential catchment of a billion people across an entire continent comprising dozens of countries.

The fact is, domestic soccer in Australia in a less attractive prospect for advertisers, and one of the reasons is they have very few opportunities to sell their wares because there are few breaks in play. Can't make it clearer. Combine that with the risible viewing figures for the A-League telecasts, and you've got a giant advertising dead end.

Money talks. And in this case, the lack of opportunities to make money couldn’t shout louder.

It's great that soccer has this international spread and big Australian advertisers can take advantage of all those eyeballs. But if the flagship domestic comp is a commercial wasteland - and in regard to advertising revenue it is - that's pretty dire for the future of the sport.

And drop the petty "can't you read" snipes thanks.
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I will keep saying that you ignoring my post when you keep ignoring my post. All of what you said is Mirco stuff and wouldn't matter if PEOPLE WATCHED.

We getting nowhere and I am in no mood to continue.
 
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