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Hayes will be one of the blokes who doesn’t get selected but eventually comes in due to injury and turns into an immediate legend.
Along with The D-Train and Leo.
Along with The D-Train and Leo.
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Island Vibe, Sainters Tribe
In the 'Where do We Begin' podcast Matty Allison had high praise for McKernan and his mentoring role.
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About is it our year.
Here is one for Moons & Numerology.
Saints last flag 1966
20 Players
1966 adds up to 22
Now have 22 players
2022 & 1966 adds up to 22
2022 is our year
You know it makes sense
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Here is one for Moons & Numerology.
Saints last flag 1966
20 Players
1966 adds up to 22
Now have 22 players
2022 & 1966 adds up to 22
2022 is our year
You know it makes sense
On SM-G977B using BigFooty.com mobile app
gringo2011
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That’s assuming an injury-free run this year though and the likelihood of that is pretty much zero. Especially as they, like GWS, seem to have a boatload of injuries every year.
Their forwardline is also puss.
Well and truly in spoon contention again for mine and the alarming thing for them is the number of old guys they still have in their best team.
28yo or older this season:
Pendlebury
Sidebottom
Grundy
Adams
Howe
Crisp
Elliott
Roughead
Mihochek
Cox
Hoskin-Elliott
They are old but they still have a very good old squad. In a few years the cliff will be a long drop but they should stay out of the bottom 4 if they can stay fit this year.
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Foxfooty predicting our round one 22...
ST KILDA
B: Jimmy Webster, Dougal Howard, Tom Highmore
HB: Nick Coffield, Callum Wilkie, Jack Sinclair
C: Dan Hannebery, Brad Crouch, Bradley Hill
HF: Jack Higgins, Tim Membrey, Dan Butler
F: Rowan Marshall, Max King, Jade Gresham
FOLL: Paddy Ryder, Jack Steele, Zak Jones
I/C: Cooper Sharman, Hunter Clark, Jack Billings, Ben Paton
In: Tom Campbell, Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera, Mitchito Owens, Marcus Windhager, Oscar Adams, Jack Peris, Josiah Kyle
Out: Jake Carlisle, James Frawley, Shaun McKernan, Dylan Roberton, Oscar Clavarino, Sam Alabakis, Luke Dunstan, Paul Hunter, Jack Lonie
WE SAY: It won’t be a noticeably different line-up for the Saints in 2022 because they brought in no one at the trade/free agency table. The main changes are to those who were already on the fringes of selection, with Jake Carlisle retiring along with James Frawley and Shaun McKernan, while Dylan Roberton wasn’t able to crack into the side even when fit and healthy. The Saints will be hoping Dan Hannebery can get a good run at it. The club is being cautious with the veteran but there’s hope he’ll be right for Round 1, so we’ve named him. A big talking point will be whether Seb Ross is there Round 1. Not only has he had a slightly interrupted pre-season, but there’s ample competition for spots at the Saints, so we’ve left him out.
Jarryn Geary also misses out. Daniel McKenzie has shown some good signs in his time so far while Nick Coffield had a promising finish to 2021, but we’ve picked the returning Ben Paton after he missed 2021 with a broken leg. Top pick Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera might be a bit of a way off before a senior debut, but Mitch Owens could be an early chance after an impressive pre-season. - David Zita and Ben Waterworth from Fox Sports
Maybe the hot chix Josh Battle was preseason training with on Carlisle St last week were certain fox writers girlfriends...
ST KILDA
B: Jimmy Webster, Dougal Howard, Tom Highmore
HB: Nick Coffield, Callum Wilkie, Jack Sinclair
C: Dan Hannebery, Brad Crouch, Bradley Hill
HF: Jack Higgins, Tim Membrey, Dan Butler
F: Rowan Marshall, Max King, Jade Gresham
FOLL: Paddy Ryder, Jack Steele, Zak Jones
I/C: Cooper Sharman, Hunter Clark, Jack Billings, Ben Paton
In: Tom Campbell, Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera, Mitchito Owens, Marcus Windhager, Oscar Adams, Jack Peris, Josiah Kyle
Out: Jake Carlisle, James Frawley, Shaun McKernan, Dylan Roberton, Oscar Clavarino, Sam Alabakis, Luke Dunstan, Paul Hunter, Jack Lonie
WE SAY: It won’t be a noticeably different line-up for the Saints in 2022 because they brought in no one at the trade/free agency table. The main changes are to those who were already on the fringes of selection, with Jake Carlisle retiring along with James Frawley and Shaun McKernan, while Dylan Roberton wasn’t able to crack into the side even when fit and healthy. The Saints will be hoping Dan Hannebery can get a good run at it. The club is being cautious with the veteran but there’s hope he’ll be right for Round 1, so we’ve named him. A big talking point will be whether Seb Ross is there Round 1. Not only has he had a slightly interrupted pre-season, but there’s ample competition for spots at the Saints, so we’ve left him out.
Jarryn Geary also misses out. Daniel McKenzie has shown some good signs in his time so far while Nick Coffield had a promising finish to 2021, but we’ve picked the returning Ben Paton after he missed 2021 with a broken leg. Top pick Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera might be a bit of a way off before a senior debut, but Mitch Owens could be an early chance after an impressive pre-season. - David Zita and Ben Waterworth from Fox Sports
Maybe the hot chix Josh Battle was preseason training with on Carlisle St last week were certain fox writers girlfriends...
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Yeah just looking at the foxfooty prediction for pies round one, team looks reasonable on paper
wot
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Miami playing great team defense right now.
And probably the best bench, best 6th man in the league right now.
it’s 23 now
Interesting read from his draft year.
Jack Hayes
Height: 191cm
Weight: 88kg
From: Woodville West Torrens, South Australia
Position: Forward, Defender
Jack Hayes from Woodville West Torrens in South Australia has had a really interesting 2014 season so far, on BigFooty at least. Coming into the season, there were people talking about him as a top 15 draft prospect and one of the best key forwards on offer. Fast forward a few months, and he isn't considered a top 60 prospect by those same people. So what happened? Has he had an awful season? Not at all, he's arguably been better and more consistent than in 2013. I think it's more a case of those people finally having seen him play, and they realised he isn't the type of player that reading the stats may make him appear to be. I wrote about it earlier in the season. Hayes had one massive game in the SANFL U18s last year playing up forward - 34 disposals, 17 marks and 7 inside 50s. I think some draft watchers developed a few misconceptions from that game. But, that just means that Hayes has gone from overrated to severely underrated. So lets fix that.
After mentioning that game, it's only right that I start with his form back home in the SANFL. That 34 disposal and 17 mark game was certainly his best, but just because he posted key forward numbers it doesn't mean he is a key forward. Last year, Hayes typically across half forward with some stints in both the midfield and the ruck. He was typically getting 15-20 touches and plenty of marks, but kicked just the 14 goals in his 11 games - with season highs of 3 goals in two matches. In 2014, Hayes has split his time between SANFL U18s, SANFL Reserves and the U18 Championships. In the U18s for Woodville, Hayes has again been playing across half forward and through the ruck. I'm not a big fan of him doing ruck work, because it's not something he'll be doing in the AFL so really it doesn't help his cause in terms of getting drafted. But, it does get him into the midfield and that I like. Just this weekend in his first game back after the Championships, Hayes finished the match with 24 disposals, 12 marks (6 of which were contested), 4 tackles, 12 hitouts, 7 inside 50s and 2 behinds. In the Reserves though, he has gotten to play his more customary half forward role though and his best game came against Port Adelaide with 12 touches, 8 marks (3 contested) and 2 goals. And I do think that is his best position, being able to roam around the half forward line - particularly with his contested marking game being so strong.
But for South Australia at the U18 Championships, things certainly changed for Hayes as he was moved into the back lines - and not as a rebounder. Partnering with the likes of Ramsey, Durdin and at times Wilkie, they were given the job of playing on the opposition key forwards. It was an interesting move, but it ended up being a good one. It probably didn't help Hayes' standing on BigFooty, as he only averaged 10 disposals across his games. But it added another string to his bow, and it was a position he certainly grew into as the Championships progressed.
Without a doubt in my mind, Hayes' biggest strength is his marking. He's probably one of the best contested marks in the draft, and it's why I prefer him across half forward. He is smart on the lead, and just has those sticky hands that you love to see. His vertical leap is also impressive, and no doubt helps him clunk these marks. That and his tackling game is why I think clubs will also like him as a forward. The likes of Chris Mayne and Tyson Goldsack might not touch the ball very often, but a third or fourth tall who can apply pressure and tackle hard is really valuable and it's almost becoming a specialised position. And just the overall versatility that Hayes offers is another big positive. Coming into the season, I was really keen on seeing him play as a big bodied midfielder - not in the ruck. He's got a good size to him, and has shown the ability to rack up the touches. It's still not out of the question that a club doesn't go down that path with him.
A big factor in his draft position this year, will be in regards to his testing at the Draft Combine. He doesn't have the big engine that you'd ideally want from someone like him, and he doesn't possess great top line speed or anything. Last year, he was probably average at best in both regards. I do think he has improved this year from what I've seen, the minutes in the ruck have probably helped. But there is still room to improve. Absolute best case as a half forward, you'd be looking at someone like Ryan O'Keefe - but the thing that made him so good was his work rate and endurance. And really, you need something to separate you from the pack when you're a strong marking third tall. There have been plenty of similar players who go undrafted, to late round prospects who can't quite break through like Brett O'Hanlon at Richmond. It may well end up being his versatility and no real 'football weaknesses' that is Hayes' saving grace.
I don't expect Jack Hayes to jump back into first round calculations, but anything from the third round and about pick 40/50 onwards should see him come into the mix. And in terms of comparisons, I'll throw out Andy Otten from Adelaide as the player. Similar sized, he is also sort of a third tall swingman who can go through the middle.
Jack Hayes
Height: 191cm
Weight: 88kg
From: Woodville West Torrens, South Australia
Position: Forward, Defender
Jack Hayes from Woodville West Torrens in South Australia has had a really interesting 2014 season so far, on BigFooty at least. Coming into the season, there were people talking about him as a top 15 draft prospect and one of the best key forwards on offer. Fast forward a few months, and he isn't considered a top 60 prospect by those same people. So what happened? Has he had an awful season? Not at all, he's arguably been better and more consistent than in 2013. I think it's more a case of those people finally having seen him play, and they realised he isn't the type of player that reading the stats may make him appear to be. I wrote about it earlier in the season. Hayes had one massive game in the SANFL U18s last year playing up forward - 34 disposals, 17 marks and 7 inside 50s. I think some draft watchers developed a few misconceptions from that game. But, that just means that Hayes has gone from overrated to severely underrated. So lets fix that.
After mentioning that game, it's only right that I start with his form back home in the SANFL. That 34 disposal and 17 mark game was certainly his best, but just because he posted key forward numbers it doesn't mean he is a key forward. Last year, Hayes typically across half forward with some stints in both the midfield and the ruck. He was typically getting 15-20 touches and plenty of marks, but kicked just the 14 goals in his 11 games - with season highs of 3 goals in two matches. In 2014, Hayes has split his time between SANFL U18s, SANFL Reserves and the U18 Championships. In the U18s for Woodville, Hayes has again been playing across half forward and through the ruck. I'm not a big fan of him doing ruck work, because it's not something he'll be doing in the AFL so really it doesn't help his cause in terms of getting drafted. But, it does get him into the midfield and that I like. Just this weekend in his first game back after the Championships, Hayes finished the match with 24 disposals, 12 marks (6 of which were contested), 4 tackles, 12 hitouts, 7 inside 50s and 2 behinds. In the Reserves though, he has gotten to play his more customary half forward role though and his best game came against Port Adelaide with 12 touches, 8 marks (3 contested) and 2 goals. And I do think that is his best position, being able to roam around the half forward line - particularly with his contested marking game being so strong.
But for South Australia at the U18 Championships, things certainly changed for Hayes as he was moved into the back lines - and not as a rebounder. Partnering with the likes of Ramsey, Durdin and at times Wilkie, they were given the job of playing on the opposition key forwards. It was an interesting move, but it ended up being a good one. It probably didn't help Hayes' standing on BigFooty, as he only averaged 10 disposals across his games. But it added another string to his bow, and it was a position he certainly grew into as the Championships progressed.
Without a doubt in my mind, Hayes' biggest strength is his marking. He's probably one of the best contested marks in the draft, and it's why I prefer him across half forward. He is smart on the lead, and just has those sticky hands that you love to see. His vertical leap is also impressive, and no doubt helps him clunk these marks. That and his tackling game is why I think clubs will also like him as a forward. The likes of Chris Mayne and Tyson Goldsack might not touch the ball very often, but a third or fourth tall who can apply pressure and tackle hard is really valuable and it's almost becoming a specialised position. And just the overall versatility that Hayes offers is another big positive. Coming into the season, I was really keen on seeing him play as a big bodied midfielder - not in the ruck. He's got a good size to him, and has shown the ability to rack up the touches. It's still not out of the question that a club doesn't go down that path with him.
A big factor in his draft position this year, will be in regards to his testing at the Draft Combine. He doesn't have the big engine that you'd ideally want from someone like him, and he doesn't possess great top line speed or anything. Last year, he was probably average at best in both regards. I do think he has improved this year from what I've seen, the minutes in the ruck have probably helped. But there is still room to improve. Absolute best case as a half forward, you'd be looking at someone like Ryan O'Keefe - but the thing that made him so good was his work rate and endurance. And really, you need something to separate you from the pack when you're a strong marking third tall. There have been plenty of similar players who go undrafted, to late round prospects who can't quite break through like Brett O'Hanlon at Richmond. It may well end up being his versatility and no real 'football weaknesses' that is Hayes' saving grace.
I don't expect Jack Hayes to jump back into first round calculations, but anything from the third round and about pick 40/50 onwards should see him come into the mix. And in terms of comparisons, I'll throw out Andy Otten from Adelaide as the player. Similar sized, he is also sort of a third tall swingman who can go through the middle.
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Ahem….Sharman
The problem though is the “staying fit” part. They’ve had huge troubles doing so in recent years and the fact those 11 guys are now another year older is only likely to exacerbate that issue.
Sounds like Grundy has shed a bunch of weight/bulk, so if he gets back close to his best that will obviously help, but there are huge queries on where the goals are coming from.
Most of those who barrack for Collingwood on the main board seem resigned to the fact they’re likely to be bottom four and every chance of coming last.
In the thread on who “wins” the spoon they’ve received 25% of the votes. Only pipped by Hawthorn, on 26.7. Then a big gap to North on 12%.
Hawthorn coming last doesn’t make sense to me. They won an incredible 5 games against teams who made the finals last year and drew another, and that’s despite the fact they were without Sicily and Gunston for virtually the whole year and missing a bunch of other key guys in other wins.
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I reckon that Howe and Moore staying fit gives them a huge boost and if JDG gets his arse into gear one day.
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I reckon the Eagles are a sneaky chance to finish last. Their midfield might collapse this season through age and injury. Their best defenders are 30+ and they lost Shepherd. They might lose Darling, Kennedy is in his last season and Allen has only shown flashes.
They don't seem to have any real guns coming through either. If the Cats are about to fall off a cliff, West Coast will do it before them.
Also GC will finish bottom 2.
Yeah West Coast will be a big watch. Have an incredibly cushy draw from memory, but then they may also be in hubs for a chunk of the season and they sucked at that two years ago.
Gold Coast will also be an interesting watch. Have some serious talent with another preseason under their belts though (Bing, Lukosius, Rowell, Anderson, Rankine, Hollands, Ainsworth!), so they could also be better than last year.
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Nah that’s Tony Elshaugh. Sorry
Jack Hayes strikes me as a bloke who recruiters constantly looked at and noticed what he was doing poorly, as opposed to what he was doing well.
The fact that he's dominated every level he has played out should be a good indication that we have, at worst, a serviceable AFL player.
Looking forward to seeing what he can do.
The fact that he's dominated every level he has played out should be a good indication that we have, at worst, a serviceable AFL player.
Looking forward to seeing what he can do.
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I like the diversity and depth of our list this season.
hayes
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**** sake.
