Autopsy 2022 Rd 23 Choked again. Season Done.

[Show_Me_The_Money]

Might have been the second, maybe the third quarter. Charlie about 20 out running into goal, had about three meters on his opponent. Had plenty of time to grab it and kick it through. Should have been a certain goal, but alas Charlie tries the spectacular and fails miserably. This was annoying at the time and perhaps pivotal now reflecting on the game.

It was in the first quarter, he went the volley instead of collecting. It was pivotal considering we didn't kick a goal in the first quarter.

 

[JyeDye]

If he's most comfortable playing on immediately and snapping (and missing), then the simple answer is to train him up to the point of being comfortable with a higher percentage method.

I understand your perspective and hopefully it's something the coaches and the players work on during the preseason. I'm sure they'll have some talks about it at least.

 

[mochacinolatte]

He was actually very average prior to as well. I remeber a poster lambasting me at one stage for making such a ridiculous comment. But you could tell, he was getting beaten in one on one contests, something that should be his strength.

Definetely wasn't great this year.

Idk if its due to Liam Jones leaving and learning a new system with Young down back. Emphasis on the synergy part.

 

[Show_Me_The_Money]

Yeah not getting it to Harry was probably the only real mistake, but in this particular situation, Harry's lead was too late for Durdin to adjust (not saying he couldn't or that was in any way Harry's fault, just that Durdin was already looking past him and had completely committed to Curnow in the pocket, erroneously as it turned out).

Gotta say, I'm glad it was Durdin in that situation and not me!

Sorry but Fisher was clear 40m out all alone almost instantly, he simply had to pass it then and there. But to say he didn't have time to adjust to Harry please. These are AFL standard players. He completely botched it under the pressure of the moment. At the ground he went back to take his kick and almost stubbornly refused to pass it straight off. He ehnded up kicked it to no one FFS it was calamatous to say the least.

Durdin has history, remember the pass across the centre of the ground vs Sydney that almost cost us the game. When we were in front. He almost needed to reverse those two moments, what he did yesterday re taking his time he should've done vs Sydney. And playing on quickly like he did vs Sydney is what he needed to do yesterday. Very concerning he got it so horribly wrong twice.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

agree, lacks awareness and is too timid when ball is on the ground. Hopefully these two areas improve, we got a hell a lot more out of him than i expected, he was a player who progressed alot.

only 43 games thus far!

 

[Show_Me_The_Money]

Therein is part of the problem, though.

Availability is an ability and if he's on the bench needing a break while his man is kicking goals then that's not good enough.

There's not much comfort in doing a great lockdown job 75% of the time and being on the bench for the other 25%, and in that 25% your man kicks 2 goals, including the match winner.

With all due respect, this comment makes no sense at all. All players have breaks on the bench during games, are you seriously blaming Stocker for Elliott's goals saying he shouldn't have been on the bench?

 

[AB_Blue]

Has everyone got the vitriol out of their system yet?

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[mochacinolatte]

With all due respect, this comment makes no sense at all. All players have breaks on the bench during games, are you seriously blaming Stocker for Elliott's goals saying he shouldn't have been on the bench?

Gaslighting here, I don't think stocker was on field when Elliot kick that last goal.

Oops didint read your prior post. Idk, keeping elliot to 1 goal prior to that would say Stocker did a very good job.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

His goal accuracy is slightly better than Hawkins' and slightly worse than Cameron's.
Better than King, Naughton, Harry, Mihocek, Riewoldt, Daniher, Membrey, Gunston, Brown, Stringer, Hipwood.
Only Lynch, Wright, Marshall and Lewis are in the 60+% range in the top 30 KPFs. I think he's doing fine the way he is. Can't pin our finals chances on Charlie not kicking an extra 6 goals over 22 games.

Given chuck kicked 3.9 in the last 2 matches, something needs to change!

(plus the one yesterday that didn't make it!)

 

[JuddgementDay]

I always look on the bright side and bounce back pretty fast from a loss, but I'm still gutted and moping around

Oh what could have been, the margins are so small between counting 2022 as a successful season or not.

I'm sure there are positives to be taken from this season - but, right now - I'm just too down to think about what these positives are.

We had our chances - that recovery in the 3rd quarter was more than enough to have us winning that game.
There were too many silly mistakes in the last quarter to go over, but 'em the breaks!

 

[Press Box Wing]

One thing I really dislike is the peeling off when someone takes a mark.

Pendlebury take the mark in the centre circle. Young is a few metres away. Instead of going and manning the mark to slow Pendlebury down and make him go back to take his kick, he peels off leaving him an easy kick from the spot he marked it with zero pressure.

Game awareness needs to be worked on.

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This has bugged me all year. Not sure what the perceived advantage is. Sure they occupy a bit of space but it releases 'time and space' pressure on the kicker and concedes unnecessary ground.

Interesting that Daniel O'Keefe was encouraging his players to do it at 3/4 time in the VFL and he gave a bit of explanation which I missed because the siren sounded at just the wrong moment but he finished by saying we know it works (or words to that effect).

It's probably a 'horses for courses' thing and no doubt there are teams rules around it - but as you say there also needs to be some game awareness applied especially against a team trying to move the ball on quickly.

 

[prisoner777]

Couldn't bring myself to watch Voss's presser until just now and I was very disappointed. "This is going to hurt a bit!" FMD, I am very concerned about his lack of acknowledgement of consistent patterns in the team's performance. Carlton is not a side that improves with the nicey, nicey approach (two decades of disappointment has told us that). Historically, our golden periods have come from brutal recognition of our weaknesses (including tirades from and acknowledgements by key coaches, Barassi and Parkin). Voss seems to be playing the more acceptable "disappointed, but we can take these things out of the game..." type philosophy. I seem to recall this being the mantra for Malthouse, Bolton and Teague (and we know how that panned out) - Ratts to his credit acknowledged trend weaknesses and took us to two finals series (and for those of you who have seen my posts, I was a critic of Ratts for a long time)! Voss, to me, is playing by the Carlton corporate rhetoric strategy....when what we need is a clear and present f'n big boot up the backside. The issue is not our bottom six (we lost our last two games in 2022 by 5 and 1 points after being in front with a few minutes to go and a number of our key players let us down rather than our bottom six). It is a mental issue for the team of not being able to close out games when we get in front. I was thinking 2023 would be a lot better, but at the moment, I'm not that confident.

 

[dlb99]

We were 24 points up at the start of the last quarter. And we had 20 inside 50's in the last quarter vs 11. And we still lost! I just read that stat. It really is a remarkable way to lose.

Face it, for 20 years we have been mental short people.
Weak as piss when it comes to closing out tight games; ever since the Peter Riccardi goal-after-siren in 2002.
I knew at 3/4 quarter time that we were going to lose, why? Because we always bleepin' lose these games; without fail.
We did it two week in a row; a historic choke job that will haunt us for years.

Gutted, absolutely gutted like I haven't been for 30 years.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

From set shots?
And does that include out-on-the-fulls?

Charlie had 13 shots the last 2 weeks for 3.9
We just needed 1 more, and a fair few of them were low degree of difficulty.
You can certainly pin us not reaching our potential with that sort of a return from our key-forward.

This is one brick wall that I'm not in the mood for banging my head against.

Enjoy putting the weight of our whole year on Curnow's shoulders. One of only 3 players to play every game this year, and the only one to have won anything.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

This is one brick wall that I'm not in the mood for banging my head against.

Enjoy putting the weight of our whole year on Curnow's shoulders. One of only 3 players to play every game this year, and the only one to have won anything.

I'm stoked Charlie played a full season, and that he won the Coleman. And that he's seemingly fully fit. Stoked for him and the Club.

But kicking at sub 30% accuracy in key matches, in near perfect conditions, is entirely unacceptable.

 

[macca_74]

Couldn't bring myself to watch Voss's presser until just now and I was very disappointed. "This is going to hurt a bit!" FMD, I am very concerned about his lack of acknowledgement of consistent patterns in the team's performance. Carlton is not a side that improves with the nicey, nicey approach (two decades of disappointment has told us that). Historically, our golden periods have come from brutal recognition of our weaknesses (including tirades from and acknowledgements by key coaches, Barassi and Parkin). Voss seems to be playing the more acceptable "disappointed, but we can take these things out of the game..." type philosophy. I seem to recall this being the mantra for Malthouse, Bolton and Teague (and we know how that panned out) - Ratts to his credit acknowledged trend weaknesses and took us to two finals series (and for those of you who have seen my posts, I was a critic of Ratts for a long time)! Voss, to me, is playing by the Carlton corporate rhetoric strategy....when what we need is a clear and present f'n big boot up the backside. The issue is not our bottom six (we lost our last two games in 2022 by 5 and 1 points after being in front with a few minutes to go and a number of our key players let us down rather than our bottom six). It is a mental issue for the team of not being able to close out games when we get in front. I was thinking 2023 would be a lot better, but at the moment, I'm not that confident.

I don’t know. I got the feel listening to Vossy’s presser that he was just trying to be measured at the time but behind closed doors honest conversations will be had

 

[Coops93]

With all due respect, this comment makes no sense at all. All players have breaks on the bench during games, are you seriously blaming Stocker for Elliott's goals saying he shouldn't have been on the bench?

I'm not blaming him for the goal directly, no. Lots of other things come up. However, it's a part of the process.

Defenders are matchup players, as well as in a system. In this game it looked as though Stocker had the job on Elliott as opposed to using a system based defence entirely. If Stocker has the matchup on Elliott then if he can't go with him in the big moments then it's a liability.

I don't think it's that hard a concept. Weitering and Young played 100% of the game for a reason. If Weiters isn't fit enough to be on the field vs the no.1 key forward in the game in the last 5 minutes of the game then absolutely it's a liability.

 

[FRUMPY]

This has bugged me all year. Not sure what the perceived advantage is. Sure they occupy a bit of space but it releases 'time and space' pressure on the kicker and concedes unnecessary ground.

Interesting that Daniel O'Keefe was encouraging his players to do it at 3/4 time in the VFL and he gave a bit of explanation which I missed because the siren sounded at just the wrong moment but he finished by saying we know it works (or words to that effect).

It's probably a 'horses for courses' thing and no doubt there are teams rules around it - but as you say there also needs to be some game awareness applied especially against a team trying to move the ball on quickly.

allows them to cut off anyone who decides to play on. to hard to stop them playing on if they are standing on the mark. Umpire calls play-on too late and player is gone. thats how i see it anyway, i do find it frustrating though

 

[katmanblue]

Why not do it the way that's allowed him to kick 64 goals this year?
He's an instinct player. Been pretty solid all year and just happens to have two average games at the wrong time.
If he'd kicked 4.1 and 5.2 the last 2 weeks, nobody would care how he did it.

Situational awareness. Collingwood were pressing. Going fast let them keep momentum.

It's not just the missed goal that's the issue.

Take 30 seconds, kick the goal then it's another minute before play resumes. Instead, Collingwood had it going the other way about 10 seconds after he took the mark.

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[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

Given chuck kicked 3.9 in the last 2 matches, something needs to change!

(plus the one yesterday that didn't make it!)

So we just ignore the games where he kicked 5 straight, or 5.1, or 6.3, or 6.1, or 4.2 (twice), or 5.3, or 4.1?

Let's just shit all over his year by looking at the last 2 in isolation.
What needs to change, is there needs to be a more even contribution across the ground, from quarter to quarter and from week to week.

 

[macca_74]

I'm not blaming him for the goal directly, no. Lots of other things come up. However, it's a part of the process.

Defenders are matchup players, as well as in a system. In this game it looked as though Stocker had the job on Elliott as opposed to using a system based defence entirely. If Stocker has the matchup on Elliott then if he can't go with him in the big moments then it's a liability.

I don't think it's that hard a concept. Weitering and Young played 100% of the game for a reason. If Weiters isn't fit enough to be on the field vs the no.1 key forward in the game in the last 5 minutes of the game then absolutely it's a liability.

How do you know he was on the bench because he couldn’t be trusted in big moments? It’s possible they went with that lineup in the end for tactical reasons.

 

[Sector 7G]

Sorry but Fisher was clear 40m out all alone almost instantly, he simply had to pass it then and there. But to say he didn't have time to adjust to Harry please. These are AFL standard players. He completely botched it under the pressure of the moment. At the ground he went back to take his kick and almost stubbornly refused to pass it straight off. He ehnded up kicked it to no one FFS it was calamatous to say the least.

Durdin has history, remember the pass across the centre of the ground vs Sydney that almost cost us the game. When we were in front. He almost needed to reverse those two moments, what he did yesterday re taking his time he should've done vs Sydney. And playing on quickly like he did vs Sydney is what he needed to do yesterday. Very concerning he got it so horribly wrong twice.

It needed a delicate kick on the left. By the time he got back from the mark to kick with the right the opportunity was gone.

 

[katmanblue]

Indeed. Not a fan of looking for moments and taking potshots at players, especially not 20 year olds with 20 games of experience. There were 10 moments in the last quarter that were equally as important in deciding the outcome. I sure as hell hope that Durdin doesn't read BigFooty.

It's possible to critique a decision or execution of a skill without getting personal with the player. Seems 'supporters' have trouble with this nuance.

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[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

I'm stoked Charlie played a full season, and that he won the Coleman. And that he's seemingly fully fit. Stoked for him and the Club.

But kicking at sub 30% accuracy in key matches, in near perfect conditions, is entirely unacceptable.

Players have down games or poor patches during the season.
Maybe Harry should have picked up some of the slack? Maybe TDK and SOS need to be more dangerous when resting forward? Maybe Pitto could do anything up forward? Maybe the smalls could actually be front and center at contests? Maybe the mids could deliver the ball better? Maybe Kennedy could play more than 67% game time? Maybe Walsh could stop getting caught holding the ball? Maybe Cripps could stop taking on 5 defenders?

Plenty of unacceptable things that cost us games during the year.

 

[Blue Warrior]

Gutted.
Another wasted season the only difference between other wasted years and this one was we were in the ****ing 8 the whole year until the last round.

Disappointed is an understatement for us poor ****ers who decide year in year out to spend money on memberships/merchandise,our time riding every bump to be out of finals by .6 of a percent WTF?

I hope this seasons misery sets a fire in their belly to NEVER let this happen again and they get over their mental demons and come out next year and become the team we are all hoping they can be and win the flag.

GO BLUES!