VFL 2022 - Reserves Game Day discussion Rnds 1 - 22 (Merged threads)

[swuzzlebubble]

But would he fit in the side with Cripps, Hewett & Kennedy?

Was being sarcastic. Hasn't played a game for GC.

 

[Mondyboy]

Not overly disappointed about the loss given we were short 2-3 due to the league side playing in Perth, but my thoughts are as follows:

• Mirkov is improving and I look forward to the day he has the tank to be an option at AFL level
• Dow looks so likely when he’s at a stoppage but still can’t find the ball enough in open play
• it was great to see Ed back out there playing
• Stocker’s attack on the ball was outstanding and I’d really like to see him given a chance in the midfield next year
• Carroll is still a work in progress with his best and worst still a fair way apart
• Fogarty is a midfielder of VFL quality only and I can’t help but think we have wasted a list spot for 2 years on him, indeed IMO we’d be better off having Cahill on the list as another genuine small forward option
• I reckon I could see Leiu and Cincotta (and possibly Radovanovic) playing AFL football so hopefully we are thinking about them as possible replacements for Williamson and possibly Parkes
• I don’t see either Glass-McCasker or Lewis making the grade at AFL level
• Durdin looked better when he played against the Tigers but I think I’d like to see him stick around for at least next year given our lack of ready made key position players
• Akuei is a long term project but anything is possible as CJ from Hawthorn has show
• Josh Cripps is not even VFL standard

Couldn’t have said it better. Especially the assessment of Fog.


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[BigFrizz36]

No drugs for me unfortunately, this from the bluemours thread on 22/6



So, Pits had a setback or ?


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Voss said in Friday presser that Mitch McG is due back next week and that Marc Pittonet is "one or two weeks" from returning from a knee injury.

 

[Mondyboy]

Lieu has been improving week on week and if we’re not looking at him as a Willo (or as Jimmae says Parkes) replacement we’re not doing our job.

Took some great clutch marks and was the only guy standing up at times in the backline.

Mirkov is the big story for me though. He’s built brilliantly across the season and was imposing when he was on the ground. His tank is the only reason I feel he’s not ready for AFL. He has everything else.


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[Jimmae]

With respect to Fogarty, he will go straight onto another AFL list if we release him. He's too talented not to, this isn't a Graham situation, it's just about a club that has a stoppage system where he can flourish.

He doesn't get scrubbed off the ball like Fisher does, he just can't smash into the centre of every contest and have enough of an impact. But if there's some blocks going on? He'd flourish.

The confidence that would come with that would see him get a lot stronger in his stride, and his kicking depth would improve. Too much second guessing right now because he's being told it's not his go or his place. Stocker's another good example of this, and yet he suddenly showed some wheels on the weekend when it was his moment.

Some subtle over-coaching at work here.

Lieu has been improving week on week and if we’re not looking at him as a Willo (or as Jimmae says Parkes) replacement we’re not doing our job.

Took some great clutch marks and was the only guy standing up at times in the backline.

We shouldn't have had Parks on the list at all IMO, and we should have had Lieu as a DFA or SSP signing.

Cincotta keeps building as well.

 

[COBALT BLUE]

Agree.....Fog AFL standard,would get a game at a few clubs......he has been serviceable enough at Carlton AFL stat wise anyway paying his way

 

[katmanblue]

Couldn’t have said it better. Especially the assessment of Fog.


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Fog is Nick Graham lite.

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[bigblueboy]

Agree.....Fog AFL standard,would get a game at a few clubs......he has been serviceable enough at Carlton AFL stat wise anyway paying his way

He’s above average VFL mid. Will be delisted and won’t get picked up by another AFL club.

 

[KnaveyBlue]

He’s above average VFL mid. Will be delisted and won’t get picked up by another AFL club.

This.

His only hope may be as a stop-gap at North Melbourne.

 

[Arr0w]

With respect to Fogarty, he will go straight onto another AFL list if we release him. He's too talented not to, this isn't a Graham situation, it's just about a club that has a stoppage system where he can flourish.

He doesn't get scrubbed off the ball like Fisher does, he just can't smash into the centre of every contest and have enough of an impact. But if there's some blocks going on? He'd flourish.

The confidence that would come with that would see him get a lot stronger in his stride, and his kicking depth would improve. Too much second guessing right now because he's being told it's not his go or his place. Stocker's another good example of this, and yet he suddenly showed some wheels on the weekend when it was his moment.

Some subtle over-coaching at work here.

We shouldn't have had Parks on the list at all IMO, and we should have had Lieu as a DFA or SSP signing.

Cincotta keeps building as well.

Fog won't get on another list, VFL standard only

 

[Coona Blues]

Fog won't get on another list, VFL standard only

A little simplistic. Plenty of worse players on lists throughout the league, but when looking at our list, he doesn’t fit as well as many others. Doesn’t have the skill range to offset his lack of size is basically the issue. Will always be depth, and we must assess the out of contract options to refresh our list.

His future at Carlton is very much dependent on others, if Dow and Setterfield stay, take it as read he is gone. If one or both move on, he will be retained as depth, and more importantly a mature midfielder to support the development of our younger midfielders in the seconds.

 

[Arr0w]

A little simplistic. Plenty of worse players on lists throughout the league, but when looking at our list, he doesn’t fit as well as many others. Doesn’t have the skill range to offset his lack of size is basically the issue. Will always be depth, and we must assess the out of contract options to refresh our list.

His future at Carlton is very much dependent on others, if Dow and Setterfield stay, take it as read he is gone. If one or both move on, he will be retained as depth, and more importantly a mature midfielder to support the development of our younger midfielders in the seconds.

Both Dow and Setters have way more upside

Love Fog's attack on the ball and opponent, but lacks speed, quality of disposal, hurt factor

Essentially a poor mans Darren Hulme

 

[Stamos]

A little simplistic. Plenty of worse players on lists throughout the league, but when looking at our list, he doesn’t fit as well as many others. Doesn’t have the skill range to offset his lack of size is basically the issue. Will always be depth, and we must assess the out of contract options to refresh our list.

His future at Carlton is very much dependent on others, if Dow and Setterfield stay, take it as read he is gone. If one or both move on, he will be retained as depth, and more importantly a mature midfielder to support the development of our younger midfielders in the seconds.

I see him as an easy delist. He's not competing for a spot against either Dow or Setters, it's against the likes of Walsh, Fisher, Cunners, Honey.
Just doesn't have the weapons.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Voss said in Friday presser that Mitch McG is due back next week and that Marc Pittonet is "one or two weeks" from returning from a knee injury.

Voss said in his post game presser yesterday that:

we've got a couple coming back this week

the only question was whether they play in the 2s or the 1s.

 

[thylacine60]

Both Dow and Setters have way more upside

Love Fog's attack on the ball and opponent, but lacks speed, quality of disposal, hurt factor

Essentially a poor mans Darren Hulme

we need to give geelong an extra slap on saturday for their insufferable trading of "look good but ain't" re-treads the last 10 or so years.........

ps: ok, we get it, you were pissed about hickmott - surely we're square by now? stop sending them...........

 

[windows1]

Who was it that posted that Stocker got outmarked a couple of times by Manton? SHOW YOURSELF

 

[windows1]

Well anyone who bagged Liam Stocker

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Liam Stocker

Age

25

Ht

184cm

Wt

86kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.6

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

180.0

3star

No current season stats available

D

13.6

4star

K

8.4

4star

HB

5.2

4star

M

2.4

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

180.0

3star

either hates him or didn’t watch the game and made it up.

I just watched that game in full and he was ****ING SENSATIONAL.

He was brutal. His hands below his knees were absolutely elite. Best game I’ve ever seen him play. He worked himself into the ground.

I mean I watched that game and thought “gee he’s a midfielder.” Powerful and just so clean. Good decision making.

Just an outstanding game. I will repost this in the Cats pre match thread because he should be picked. Great effort.

 

[windows1]

Special mention to Dow btw. Holmes tagged bum the whole game and didn’t care about getting the ball at all (15 touches by accident I’d say). Never stopped trying. Tough work when you’re trying to make it in the afl and you get tagged so intensely at the next level.

Ed Curnow was VERY clean and strong and will be pressing for selection very soon.

Fog was ok and seems super fit. Wouldnt Arun me to see him replace Honey but he won’t be dangerous. Doesn’t have any tricks.

Carroll was well down on prior efforts. His kicking was bad. His ball drop makes him look like he can’t kick and this time it played out. Really poor game but he deserves some slack cut.

Mirkov showed flashes again. Seems to be getting fitter. Taking the off mark. Could lift intensity.

I thought Sam Durdin

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Sam Durdin

Age

28

Ht

199cm

Wt

100kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.7

2star

K

6.2

2star

HB

3.5

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.7

4star

No current season stats available

D

11.2

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

3.8

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.6

4star

was good. Only beaten once in the lead. Otherwise was good. Solid.

 

[Beyond Blue]

Well anyone who bagged Liam Stocker either hates him or didn’t watch the game and made it up.

I just watched that game in full and he was ******* SENSATIONAL.

He was brutal. His hands below his knees were absolutely elite. Best game I’ve ever seen him play. He worked himself into the ground.

I mean I watched that game and thought “gee he’s a midfielder.” Powerful and just so clean. Good decision making.

Just an outstanding game. I will repost this in the Cats pre match thread because he should be picked. Great effort.

From what I saw of him Saturday night he played the roaming defender role very well but the reality is Doc and Saad are already playing that type role in the top team and both are close to AA level so no shame in being behind them.

After his horror show against the Pies I’d imagine the MC would have wanted to see improvement in Liam’s defending, both how he defends his direct opponent and also how he plays his role in the team defence with his positioning.

it’s one of the reasons he is behind Newman (and Boyd when fit) and I’m not sure he did enough the other night to convince the MC he is ready to play that role in a pressure cooker game against a quality opposition like Geelong.

It does beg the question “how can he get in the team” to which I’m hopeful the answer will be that they train him as a midfielder in the preseason which is the spot he excelled at in juniors, otherwise we do run the risk of losing him in the future to another club who can give him midfield minutes.

 

[Dunna Heartknee]

Well anyone who bagged Liam Stocker either hates him or didn’t watch the game and made it up.

I just watched that game in full and he was ******* SENSATIONAL.

He was brutal. His hands below his knees were absolutely elite. Best game I’ve ever seen him play. He worked himself into the ground.

I mean I watched that game and thought “gee he’s a midfielder.” Powerful and just so clean. Good decision making.

Just an outstanding game. I will repost this in the Cats pre match thread because he should be picked. Great effort.

He was injured early in the season bought back to early for the Pies game, he's on top of the ground now moving really well.

Did you see when he ran through that tackle, it did not even slow him down, every game in the VFL he looks a class above.

He's ready.

 

[Coona Blues]

He was injured early in the season bought back to early for the Pies game, he's on top of the ground now moving really well.

Did you see when he ran through that tackle, it did not even slow him down, every game in the VFL he looks a class above.

He's ready.

Absolutely, he is ready. The issue is that he is required to play a different role at the top level. He is asked to lock down and play that accountable last man. He has no creative licence in the top team and is stifled. There is playing a role for the team and playing a suitable role.

Would be happy for him to assume a playmaking role in the twos for the remainder of the year. We know that won’t happen, he is the backline leader in the twos and ATM indispensable in that role.

Please Liam, take the bit between your teeth, attack the preseason and get fitter than you have been before. Force your way to a midfield role. Do I dare continue to say I want Plowman to be our backline general in the twos. Stocker, Kemp, Marchbank (if fit) are long term senior players. The other backline general option, again depending on fitness, is Oscar McDonald, I keep hearing he will be retained and if fit it is an absolute no brainer.

Release Stocker and Kemp, please. They can defend, but are creators more than negators. We need to balance the list and put square pegs in square holes.

 

[katmanblue]

Who was it that posted that Stocker got outmarked a couple of times by Manton? SHOW YOURSELF

I saw Durdin get out marked/embarrassed by Manton, but not Stocker.

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[4flagsin5yrs]

Stocker trained with Crocker in the last off season to get uber fit.

But a few injuries can cruel any player - and their season.

Few doubt he will become a very good player and he appears to be wasted down back.

Could he cut it as a high half forward ala Hamill or Hickmott?

 

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