2023/2024 Gold Coast Draft & Trade periods

[Iva Bigun]

Yeah, Brisbane's F2.

Hawks bolster attack after landing contracted Suns tall

Mabior Chol has been traded to Hawthorn from Gold Coast

www.afl.com.au

Good news is, we'll have even more reason to death ride them than usual!

Grand final won’t be out of Victoria, so they are no chance of winning it anyway #Vicfreekick

 

[Jirik13]

So with Chol and Hollands gone, are we expecting any more de-listings in the coming days?


Sent from my iPhone using BigFooty.com

It looks like we got 6 list spots mentioned by Cameron if Day and Casboult end up on rookie list. We got more picks than that (8). So more picks trades possible before draft. Some players on rookie list could go - Tsitas, Stein.

 

[Damo T]

Yeah, Brisbane's F2.

Hawks bolster attack after landing contracted Suns tall

Mabior Chol has been traded to Hawthorn from Gold Coast

www.afl.com.au

Good news is, we'll have even more reason to death ride them than usual!

Just gifted them 2024 Premiers

 

[CommittedSuns]

We picked up Chol for nothing as an unrestricted free agent… so anything we got is a win in a trade.

I would argue Cameron hasn’t gone as bad as we suggest. The assistance package helped but also hindered our position with trading players and their value. We had all these first rounders and a retention issue so of course our cap was going to be a mess and players had to leave.

Since Cameron joined in 2017 look at his selections which I would class as successful picks:

2017 Powell, Ballard
2018 Lukosius, Rankine, King
2019 Rowell, Anderson, Flanders, Budarick, Rosas
2020 Davies, Jeffrey
2021 Andrew
2022 Humphrey
2023 Walter, Rogers, Read, Graham

That’s just the National Draft. Obviously a few above the jury is out on and some and 2023 is assumptions but that’s 18 picks across 7 years and we could have 17 on the list next year. The academy has made his job easier but I don’t think the best list manager in the world would do much different

 

[SnusCG]

Obviously, you should put some blame also on Dimma who no doubt had a final say on Hollands staying or going. When decision is made that player goes no matter what you get chips.

We gained some future points, 400K off cap, removed player with attitude who was not best 22.

Look at Dow trade. We are not alone. And Dow showed way more than Hollands.

We got Lions F2 for Chol. That's in the worst case scenario pick 36. IMO, fair value for lazy Chol.

In total, 1M off cap (7%) is a serious deal.

We got big overs from pick 4. It set us up for next year (look at our picks) and allows us to bring all 4 academy kids in this draft.

Our trading has been dogshit for years. We’ve traded out good players for peanuts and paid ridiculous extensions to players who never deserved them. We’ve been so easy to beat at the trade table for years. That has nothing to do with Dimma.

At the end of the day, it’s just another horrendous trade made by the club in the last few years and the only consistent figure in all of them has been Cameron.

 

[sunsofanarchy]

We picked up Chol for nothing as an unrestricted free agent… so anything we got is a win in a trade.

I would argue Cameron hasn’t gone as bad as we suggest. The assistance package helped but also hindered our position with trading players and their value. We had all these first rounders and a retention issue so of course our cap was going to be a mess and players had to leave.

Since Cameron joined in 2017 look at his selections which I would class as successful picks:

2017 Powell, Ballard
2018 Lukosius, Rankine, King
2019 Rowell, Anderson, Flanders, Budarick, Rosas
2020 Davies, Jeffrey
2021 Andrew
2022 Humphrey
2023 Walter, Rogers, Read, Graham

That’s just the National Draft. Obviously a few above the jury is out on and some and 2023 is assumptions but that’s 18 picks across 7 years and we could have 17 on the list next year. The academy has made his job easier but I don’t think the best list manager in the world would do much different

Jury is out on all of them, this team has achieved nothing yet, and we are narrowing our list's talent and saving up money despite never in our history since Ablett have we had the ability to attract an opposition player of note

 

[Jirik13]

Our trading has been dogshit for years. We’ve traded out good players for peanuts and paid ridiculous extensions to players who never deserved them. We’ve been so easy to beat at the trade table for years. That has nothing to do with Dimma.

At the end of the day, it’s just another horrendous trade made by the club in the last few years and the only consistent figure in all of them has been Cameron.

I was responding to your Hollands trade comment. If Dimma says I want Hollands, he stays. It's pretty simple. The same for Chol.

 

[Young_Guns]

I would argue Cameron hasn’t gone as bad as we suggest. The assistance package helped but also hindered our position with trading players and their value. We had all these first rounders and a retention issue so of course our cap was going to be a mess and players had to leave.

Since Cameron joined in 2017 look at his selections which I would class as successful picks:

2017 Powell, Ballard
2018 Lukosius, Rankine, King
2019 Rowell, Anderson, Flanders, Budarick, Rosas
2020 Davies, Jeffrey
2021 Andrew
2022 Humphrey
2023 Walter, Rogers, Read, Graham

That’s just the National Draft. Obviously a few above the jury is out on and some and 2023 is assumptions but that’s 18 picks across 7 years and we could have 17 on the list next year. The academy has made his job easier but I don’t think the best list manager in the world would do much different

Agree that our drafting hasn’t been too bad. Remove the 2017 haul (Cameron arrived December 2017) and the 8 academy players who were ours by default, and add the Jez McClennan and Jeremy Sharp trade-ups and picks, and it is still a pass. Any one of us on here could’ve made the Lukosius, Rankine, King, Rowell, Anderson picks, but they still gets a tick for getting it done, and the Flanders, Andrew, and Humphrey picks are looking excellent.

How much of our drafting is on Cameron as opposed to Recruiting Manager Kall Burns though? We’ve also only taken maybe 4 picks in this time that weren’t in the top 10 or academy players, so it’s hard to assess how good they really are at identifying talent when they haven’t really had to do a whole lot besides scout the top 10. Flanders, McClennan, Sharp, Farrar is a mixed bag.

But when you trade as poorly as we do, you simply must nail your draft picks. Thank god we have nailed some.

 

[Deleted member 2402071]

Plus whatever next year… I lost track

 

[CommittedSuns]

Jury is out on all of them, this team has achieved nothing yet, and we are narrowing our list's talent and saving up money despite never in our history since Ablett have we had the ability to attract an opposition player of note

Narrowing… we got rid of 7 players who played 20 afl games out of a possible 154 between them.

We have 4 extra rookie spots than the normal list size of course we need to cut from players. If we didn’t have the concessions we wouldn’t have had to cut harder probably

 

[CommittedSuns]

Agree that our drafting hasn’t been too bad. Remove the 2017 haul (Cameron arrived December 2017) and the 8 academy players who were ours by default, and add the Jez McClennan and Jeremy Sharp trade-ups and picks, and it is still a pass. Any one of us on here could’ve made the Lukosius, Rankine, King, Rowell, Anderson picks, but they still gets a tick for getting it done, and the Flanders, Andrew, and Humphrey picks are looking excellent.

How much of our drafting is on Cameron as opposed to Recruiting Manager Kall Burns though? We’ve also only taken maybe 4 picks in this time that weren’t in the top 10 or academy players, so it’s hard to assess how good they really are at identifying talent when they haven’t really had to do a whole lot besides scout the top 10. Flanders, McClennan, Sharp, Farrar is a mixed bag.

But when you trade as poorly as we do, you simply must nail your draft picks. Thank god we have nailed some.

If fairness to Cameron regarding McLennan and Sharp we needed and still need a quality winger. Right idea player just didn’t pan out.

Both were all Australian U18 from memory so anyone would have done the same thing

 

[danielG]

If fairness to Cameron regarding McLennan and Sharp we needed and still need a quality winger. Right idea player just didn’t pan out.

Both were all Australian U18 from memory so anyone would have done the same thing

Can I just ask what has happened to Hollands?? One of my all time favourite juniors and now traded for scraps.. bizarre.. GC will be fine but I’d get rid of Cameron, he’s been putrid.

 

[Sun Stormer]

Agree that our drafting hasn’t been too bad. Remove the 2017 haul (Cameron arrived December 2017) and the 8 academy players who were ours by default, and add the Jez McClennan and Jeremy Sharp trade-ups and picks, and it is still a pass. Any one of us on here could’ve made the Lukosius, Rankine, King, Rowell, Anderson picks, but they still gets a tick for getting it done, and the Flanders, Andrew, and Humphrey picks are looking excellent.

How much of our drafting is on Cameron as opposed to Recruiting Manager Kall Burns though? We’ve also only taken maybe 4 picks in this time that weren’t in the top 10 or academy players, so it’s hard to assess how good they really are at identifying talent when they haven’t really had to do a whole lot besides scout the top 10. Flanders, McClennan, Sharp, Farrar is a mixed bag.

But when you trade as poorly as we do, you simply must nail your draft picks. Thank god we have nailed some.

Have wondered about Burns for years.

 

[Jirik13]

What were the trades in which we wanted to keep players under Cameron?

May, Martin, Rankine. Any other players?

Not sure about Ah Chee, I believe Lions offered him better deal and we did not match.

Trades we got rid of players for chips because of salary dump/not up to it - Scrimshaw, Brodie, Wright, Bowes, Hollands, Chol (OK).

I think I can see the pattern, haha. And yes, I liked Martin's no trade too just to see SOS face.

 

[Bjo187]

Just when we thought it was a great trade period, Craig Cameron pops up with a baffling one on the last day again.

 

[Jirik13]

Just when we thought it was a great trade period, Craig Cameron pops up with a baffling one on the last day again.

So you would keep Hollands? Bloody Ralph now talks about Suns doing a right thing due to Hollands personal issues.

I actually feel we would keep Chol if Hawks did not come up with a reasonable trade.

 

[SnusCG]

So you would keep Hollands?

yes.

He was on reportedly 400k a year and we got nothing in return for him.

He was contracted and we didn't need additional list spaces. He didn't ask to be traded.

Best case, he pulls his finger out and becomes the player we know he's capable of being.

worst case he leaves next year and we get nothing, which, you know, we got anyway.

Stupid trade.

 

[Jirik13]

yes.

He was on reportedly 400k a year and we got nothing in return for him.

He was contracted and we didn't need additional list spaces. He didn't ask to be traded.

Best case, he pulls his finger out and becomes the player we know he's capable of being.

worst case he leaves next year and we get nothing, which, you know, we got anyway.

Stupid trade.

Fair view.

I am happy for him to go. Agree with Dimma I dislike players who don't try 100% and think they deserve game. Saving money to target someone next year. 3rd round is not nothing. I suspect we would not get it next year.

 

[Jirik13]

GOLD COAST SUNS

Who left: Chris Burgess (trade, Adelaide), Elijah Hollands (trade, Carlton), Mabior Chol

18

Mabior Chol

Age

27

Ht

200cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

7.5

2star

K

5.3

2star

HB

2.2

2star

M

2.3

2star

T

2.7

4star

G

0.8

4star

D

8.0

2star

K

6.0

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

2.3

2star

T

2.3

3star

G

0.7

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.4

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

G

1.2

4star

(trade, Hawthorn)

Who arrived: Nil


Draft picks owned: 24, 26, 27, 32, 36, 38, 66, 71, 74

Jon Ralph says: “They fixed their cap position, they get about $1 million in this year and next year’s cap out. They accumulated enough points for their academy picks. There’s four of them: Jed Walter, Ethan Read, Jake Rogers and Will Graham. They stockpile three future first-rounders next year, thy allow Chol and Hollands to go back. They’ve done the right thing by Hollands – there are circumstances there that means he needs to be close to his family – and would they have played him next year anyway? Probably not.”

David King says: “They won nine games last year, but for me they play finals next year. I think Damien Hardwick comes in. He gives them the stability of a set program, expectations are lifted. There’s obvious ‘know how’ – how it should look during the week and on a weekend. These players are going to love this new environment. There’s enough talent. They’re stacked for talent … they’ve got plenty to work with.”

Foxfooty.com.au trade grade: C+

 

[Southern Sun]

So how many list spots are we now looking at? Constable, blakely, Anderson, hollands, chol, mclaughlin, burgess.(7) surely Tsitas doesn't get another year, maybe just to skipper the vfl team. Still feel there could be a rookie spot for rance if he's up for it.

 

[CommittedSuns]

So how many list spots are we now looking at? Constable, blakely, Anderson, hollands, chol, mclaughlin, burgess.(7) surely Tsitas doesn't get another year, maybe just to skipper the vfl team. Still feel there could be a rookie spot for rance if he's up for it.

4 main list and 3 rookie spots. Keep in mind we are suppose to have the same list size as the other teams do maybe the afl makes a call after the draft period

 

[Deleted member 2402071]

 

[Iva Bigun]

Not a fan of us potentially losing some of the draft capital we have gained in next years draft just to match bids this year

He seriously wouldn’t allow our first next year to tumble just to match a bid on Graham would he !!!!!!

 

[KaySwizzle]

Not a fan of us potentially losing some of the draft capital we have gained in next years draft just to match bids this year

He seriously wouldn’t allow our first next year to tumble just to match a bid on Graham would he !!!!!!

If (and it’s all relative to what clubs bid and where), we go into deficit points next year after trading Hollands and Chol, I’d be a bit annoyed.

Not the end of the world, but surely Carton could have given a very late pick this year as well if we were so concerned for a few extra points?

Live trading exists though. Can trade in and out of picks.

 

[Jirik13]

Not a fan of us potentially losing some of the draft capital we have gained in next years draft just to match bids this year

He seriously wouldn’t allow our first next year to tumble just to match a bid on Graham would he !!!!!!

I am pretty sure deficit would be covered by future pick from the same round as bid. So if bid for Graham comes let’s say pick 30 any potential deficit would be covered by F2.