Analysis 2023 All Australian Team Awards Night

[eth-dog]

How can you say you're not counting Petracca? They'll put him in the half forward line so that's 1 less spot available to a guy like Langford. Langford has had a decent season but when you're playing Essendon Langford would be an afterthought for opposition coaches in their plans, whereas all week the opposition coaches would be putting in plans to stop Cameron. He's dangerous. Langford isn't. He's a much worse version of Fritsch who made the AA squad but not the actual team last year.

They may even put butters or Rozee on the half forward line.

Also Hawkins won't be in the team, and Jordan Dawson will be in the starting 18.

Because he's not playing as a forward. He's spending most of his time as a mid.

There is no way that Langford is an afterthought for opposition coaches. The guy looks likely to kick over 50 goals this year considering we have the bottom 2 sides the next fortnight and probably a few more assists along the way. Langford should be a lock for the squad at this point, and fringe for the side.

Hawkins' injury came at the wrong time. If Joe or Larkey can deliver over the next month they probably pass him. And as far as Dawson goes, I'd rather put him on the bench than shoe horn him into a back pocket or flank.

Having Curnow, Walker and Hawkins all in the same forward line is a bit much.

They normally go the three key forwards with the most goals and assists. Hawkins' probably drops out for Daniher by seasons end though.

 

[RUNVS]

They normally go the three key forwards with the most goals and assists. Hawkins' probably drops out for Daniher by seasons end though.

If you are making a proper team though 3 Key Forwards would be too top heavy.

 

[HeHateMe]

Sicily will make it this year surely

Coaches votes: 42
Disposals: 26.3
Effective Disposals: 21.8
Marks: 9.7
Contested Marks: 1.9
Intercept Marks: 3.3
Intercept Possessions: 9.3
Ground Ball Gets: 5.5
Loss %: 14.3
Rebound 50: 6.4
Meters Gained: 465.6
Score Involvment: 4.3
Score Launches: 2.1

These are all elite averages for either Key or Med defenders.

AFL Player Statistics

AFL player statistics.

www.wheeloratings.com

 

[Trav 20]

I never argued that English was a better ruck than Gawn. But All Australian is based off 23 games. It's impossible to argue that Gawn's overall performance this year has been better than English's. He's missed four games and had some pretty inconsistent play (obviously, much of that had to do with Grundy's place in the side) up until a couple weeks ago. English has played consistently well the entire year and had some huge games as well.

Gawn has polled coaches votes in 8 games, i.e. the same as English and one more than Marshall.

Gawn has 42 votes compared to English 35 and Marshall 37.

So even though he missed 3 games and was incapacitated 10 minutes into the first of another he's still beating English and has voted in just as many games.

I don't care if English or Marshall get the nod but they better hope Max doesn't dominate the last 4 games.

 

[eth-dog]

If you are making a proper team though 3 Key Forwards would be too top heavy.

Eh. I don't mind. Most teams play 4 key forwards/rucks as a combo. So if they go two rucks I agree but if they go one ruck I'd play one of them.

 

[blaisee]

Martin was very good in patches yesterday, and went missing when it counted. And that was one of his better games this year.

Realistically, he looks like he has gone one season season too long. To say he is AA, let alone captain has to be a troll.

It’s takes like this one, that keep me coming back to bigfooty

 

[GWT6]

It’s takes like this one, that keep me coming back to bigfooty

Yep - it's a great place to get educated about footy. Glad you are willing to put aside your deficiencies and try and learn.

 

[Sector 7G]

If you are making a proper team though 3 Key Forwards would be too top heavy.

Curnow is sufficiently mobile to make it work.

 

[blaisee]

Yep - it's a great place to get educated about footy. Glad you are willing to put aside your deficiencies and try and learn.

You are providing an incredible community service

A credit to both you and the public education system

 

[scoops]

All I care about at this point is that surely tex is getting his first AA

 

[GWT6]

All I care about at this point is that surely tex is getting his first AA

 

[kreglze]

Noah Anderson

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Noah Anderson

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

88kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.0

4star

M

2.0

2star

T

0.0

1star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

2star

HB

6.0

3star

M

2.0

2star

T

0.0

1star

CL

0.0

1star

D

12.0

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

0.0

1star

CL

0.0

1star

has to be close, I would love for him to fill one of the bench spots, but I feel being on the GC, he gets watched less and probably not as front of mind as the likes of Zach Merrett.

 

[GWT6]

Lots of talk on here about English playing more good games than Gawn - but Gawn not only has polled more coaches votes, but has polled in the same number of games - while playing 3 less. So when he polls he polls big.
Not only is his best better than the other ruckman, he is also in the best as much or more than the other top ruckman.
Looks like the narrative around English having some sort of consistently better season is not shared by the coaches.
Interesting that Witts has polled in 9 games this season - but obviously given more 4th and 5th bests, not BOG's.

If Gawn keeps up his form from this year for the next 4 games, I don't think there is a reasonable argument to not have him as the number one Ruckman.

 

[GWT6]

Noah Anderson has to be close, I would love for him to fill one of the bench spots, but I feel being on the GC, he gets watched less and probably not as front of mind as the likes of Zach Merrett.

He's an absolute gun - started amazing, had a few quiet ones and is finishing off great. Defiantly should be in the 40 - a couple of more BOG's and he should be very close to a spot.
Unfortunately the AA selectors always seem to have their favourites, and good young players have to have an AA worthy season the year before they are actually picked - it often seems that it's a rolling 3 year team.
Sometimes I wonder how many games the selectors actually watch - it seems they are part of the media group think.

 

[citizen-erased]

Doubt much changes in the last month now;

Stewart - Taylor - Moore
Sinclair - Houston - Daicos
Gulden - Bont - Daicos
Tracc - Curnow - Rozee
C.Cameron - Walker - Greene
Gawn - Merrett - Butters
English - Dawson - Anderson - Libba

 

[Happy Mastenator]

You might be right about Petracca's placement but can't we just have the best midfielders as the starting mids? Petracca, Bontempelli and one other.

Petracca has a combined 55 goals and goal assists, compared to Langfords 58. Petracca on a half forward flank should be a lock.

 

[MarcusP2]

If you are making a proper team though 3 Key Forwards would be too top heavy.

Curnow and Walker both get up the ground enough and are good enough field kicks it would work.

Imagine being a 3rd tall defender having to play on one of them.

 

[Mr Meow]

Petracca has a combined 55 goals and goal assists, compared to Langfords 58. Petracca on a half forward flank should be a lock.

He still kicks an awful lot of them as a midfielder. It's just bizarre that you can be basically the best midfielder in the comp but get shunted to a forward flank merely because you dominate scoring metrics from stoppage. He's rotated up there, sure, but not often enough that you would consider him a forward over midfielder.

I agree that this is where they'll put him though. It's just how it works.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

He still kicks an awful lot of them as a midfielder. It's just bizarre that you can be basically the best midfielder in the comp but get shunted to a forward flank merely because you dominate scoring metrics from stoppage. He's rotated up there, sure, but not often enough that you would consider him a forward over midfielder.

I agree that this is where they'll put him though. It's just how it works.

He's a forward of center midfielder. He barely tracks back into the back 50, his rebound 50's a miniscule. HFF is perfectly fine.

 

[Mr Meow]

He's a forward of center midfielder. He barely tracks back into the back 50, his rebound 50's a miniscule. HFF is perfectly fine.

Where is he named every week for Melbourne though? Ruck rover. How many CBA's does he start on a forward flank? Close to zero. He's a midfielder with an attacking mindset. We know that means he'll be on a HFF but that doesn't mean that if I was picking a team tomorrow, I'd avoid starting him on ball. By the same logic an attacking back flanker like Houston should be fighting for a wing spot as that's where he ends up a lot of the time.

 

[Happy Mastenator]

Where is he named every week for Melbourne though? Ruck rover. How many CBA's does he start on a forward flank? Close to zero. He's a midfielder with an attacking mindset. We know that means he'll be on a HFF but that doesn't mean that if I was picking a team tomorrow, I'd avoid starting him on ball. By the same logic an attacking back flanker like Houston should be fighting for a wing spot as that's where he ends up a lot of the time.

I'd rather he's on a HFF and another gun mid in the midfield than trying to get someone like Langford in the team at HFF.

 

[Donakebab]

I'd rather he's on a HFF and another gun mid in the midfield than trying to get someone like Langford in the team at HFF.

Or just pick both as they both deserve it.

EZ.

 

[Mr Meow]

Or just pick both as they both deserve it.

EZ.

Nope, I just don't see how we can squeeze a midfielder into his actual position to accommodate a forward averaging 3.6 goals/assists per game.

The sad thing is he is probably right.

 

[Trav 20]

Petracca has a combined 55 goals and goal assists, compared to Langfords 58. Petracca on a half forward flank should be a lock.

45

 

[Grand Uncle Horace]

The good ruck who played the most good games. Gawn's best has only been on display for three weeks.

iirc English has had some average games. In the recent Footscray v Sydney he got plenty of taps but zero contested marks. Maclean a B grade pinch hit ruckman applied pressure and English lacked influence.

English is still susceptible to physical pressure in ruck and marking contests.

Max Gawn for me.