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He wont be on the bench. They will make him Captain. Because the story means more than anything else.
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He wont be on the bench. They will make him Captain. Because the story means more than anything else.
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That says J Daicos is 50/50. That seems about right.
I'd have Josh Dunkley in the team even allowing for his missed games.
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Goals and assists round 21:
1. Charlie Curnow 82 (68/14)
2. Taylor Walker 77 (63/14)
3. Toby Greene 70 (52/18)
4. Tom Hawkins 65 (47/18)
5. Kyle Langford 63 (45/18)
6. Jeremy Cameron 59 (46/13)
7. Aaron Naughton 58 (40/18)
8. Joe Daniher 57 (45/12)/Charlie Cameron (44/13)
10. Nick Larkey 56 (51/5)
1. Charlie Curnow 82 (68/14)
2. Taylor Walker 77 (63/14)
3. Toby Greene 70 (52/18)
4. Tom Hawkins 65 (47/18)
5. Kyle Langford 63 (45/18)
6. Jeremy Cameron 59 (46/13)
7. Aaron Naughton 58 (40/18)
8. Joe Daniher 57 (45/12)/Charlie Cameron (44/13)
10. Nick Larkey 56 (51/5)
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What are you trying to prove with this? They play back pocket, not getting picked on stats but on the way they defend. Quaynor has lost <10 one on ones this season. Thats why he is talked about as a chance. He aint making it, neither is Newman, but these stats are dumb
They’ve both had great seasons and should make the squad. Their chances of making the final team are next to zero.
Like you said, they're back pockets, so quoting one on one marking stats doesn't mean that much either. Newman shuts out the opposition's best small/medium player most weeks. Kept Tony Greene to 5 touches for instance.
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Not 1 on 1 marking stats...1 on 1 contests. Thats their job.
I know I'm a Hawthorn supporter spruiking my own but I think any AA team without James Sicily is now incorrect. My case...
Amongst key defenders, Sicily's rank (by averages):
#1 for kicks
#1 for handballs
#1 for disposals
#1 for marks
#1 for metres gained
#1 for ground ball gets
#1 for score involvements
#1 for goal assists
#2 for intercepts (#1 missed 8 games)
#2 for contested possessions (#1 missed 8 games)
#1 in every statistical system (Supercoach, Dream team, Champion Data, AFL rankings, etc)
Those numbers are ridiculous. He is playing key defence in an under siege team, barely losing a contest (14% CDL% which is elite), using the ball incredibly well and averaging 27 disposals going the other way. He is the #1 ball winner at our club and is getting more of it as a key defender than the mids at most clubs. Some of the above stats for which he is #1, he is more than double the next best in the competition.
However, the real measure is not the 'stats' but his influence. Since Round 10:
Hawthorn with James Sicily: 5 wins, 2 losses (win rate 71%), with a percentage of 137% (including wins against Collingwood, Brisbane, St Kilda, etc).
Hawthorn without James Sicily: 0 wins, 4 losses (win rate 0%), with a percentage of 58%.
Not only is the very significant change to the team noticable but Sicily has been best on ground in nearly all of those wins, averaging 32 disposals playing as a key defender!
Amongst key defenders, Sicily's rank (by averages):
#1 for kicks
#1 for handballs
#1 for disposals
#1 for marks
#1 for metres gained
#1 for ground ball gets
#1 for score involvements
#1 for goal assists
#2 for intercepts (#1 missed 8 games)
#2 for contested possessions (#1 missed 8 games)
#1 in every statistical system (Supercoach, Dream team, Champion Data, AFL rankings, etc)
Those numbers are ridiculous. He is playing key defence in an under siege team, barely losing a contest (14% CDL% which is elite), using the ball incredibly well and averaging 27 disposals going the other way. He is the #1 ball winner at our club and is getting more of it as a key defender than the mids at most clubs. Some of the above stats for which he is #1, he is more than double the next best in the competition.
However, the real measure is not the 'stats' but his influence. Since Round 10:
Hawthorn with James Sicily: 5 wins, 2 losses (win rate 71%), with a percentage of 137% (including wins against Collingwood, Brisbane, St Kilda, etc).
Hawthorn without James Sicily: 0 wins, 4 losses (win rate 0%), with a percentage of 58%.
Not only is the very significant change to the team noticable but Sicily has been best on ground in nearly all of those wins, averaging 32 disposals playing as a key defender!
Says J. Daicos as 50/50, not N. Daicos.
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will get snubbed for tom stewart again
Ok yes that’s better my mistake.
Josh Dunkley has to be close!
The people that miss out will be very very good players guys like J Daicos Coniglio Dunkley Taranto Liberatore all have had stellar seasons and could very easily miss out.
That stat is marking contests
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Pretty good team that one. I’d have question marks over Langford and Gawn (missed a few games and only dominant since Grundy dropped). And I think Neale is dropping away so I had him locked a couple of weeks ago but not so sure now. But very hard to disagree with your other 19 picks.
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I've had Sicily in my team for most of the year (his first few games he wasn't quite as good from memory). Everyone else has jumped on board the last 2 or 3 weeks so I don't think his case needs selling anymore.
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He had a handful of shockers along with the rest of his team during their losing streak. Has also missed 2 games which might cost him. In his half back role he’s behind the likes of Houston, Sinclair, Tom Stewart and Nick Daicos - then there’s Taylor, Moore, Sicily, Andrews …. Definite squad member but can’t see him making the 22.
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Was the same last year and they ignored him (though he was probably even better last year). No reason to suggest they wont ignore him again.
Yet Gawn still has more coaches votes than any other ruck.
That said, I doubt he'll make it for the reasons you've mentioned.
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I agree Sicily should be in, but why only put winning % from R10? Didn’t he play R1-9?
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Tom Stewart was the best defender of the premiership team who won 16 games in a row. Hawthorn fans playing the victim and whining about Sicily getting snubbed in 2022 doesn't detract from that. The AA team is supposed to represent the best of the best, and the 2022 backline without Stewart may as well be a 2nds team. If Sicily was to make the AA team in 2022 it would've been ahead of Maynard. It doesn't matter what justification anyone has, you don't have the best 22 of '22 with Sicily, Maynard, Sinclair and Saad ahead of Tom Stewart. Yes he flattened the meatball and everyone had a cry, but he was that good you can't mount a compelling argument that he wasn't in the best six defenders of 2022.
He's every chance to make it this year as well, no bias, no favouritism, just being one of the best defenders in the competition - again.
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Caleb Serong should be a lock he is under appreciated this year has been an absolute weapon. Only player averaging more than 30 possesions other than Daicos and gets so much hard ball would love him at the Cats!
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He deserves to be in no doubt in my mind, but for fairness he has had a lot more opportunity to gather stats like that than most defenders.
