Analysis 2023 All Australian Team Awards Night

[Roby]

It's quite different but I am not trying to argue Sicily is no good.

Nobody said that you said, that Sicily is no good; you don't argue very well.

 

[HairyO]

Then why are Hawthorn 16th on the ladder?

Probably because its not basketball where Jordan or Bryant can win off their own back.

18 players on a giant field mean even GAS can fail to win the 1989 Grand Final on his own.

Right ?

 

[Partridge]

Including AA selectors. Which is why it's more of a popularity contest than a proper who's best 22.

I have no doubt if there was an AFL World Cup, the last four or five years, Sicily would be one of the first picked by the coach.

It's become more and more exactly that. Which is why the footy media's personal favourites always get picked years after they actually warrant it.

Then the same commentators endlessly recycle "well he's a 6/7/8 time All-Australian" like that achievement alone trumps everything else. Completely circular and self-serving.

 

[Partridge]

Probably because its not basketball where Jordan or Bryant can win off their own back.

18 players on a giant field mean even GAS can fail to win the 1989 Grand Final on his own.

Right ?

No single individual has "won" games of footy for decades. The top teams year after year routinely can lose a start player or two or three and just keep winning.

 

[Mr Meow]

No single individual has "won" games of footy for decades. The top teams year after year routinely can lose a start player or two or three and just keep winning.

There is a singular supporter base that strictly does not believe this, whose side recently won 3 flags.

But the fact they are insane consolidates your opinion as fact.

 

[Partridge]

There is a singular supporter base that strictly does not believe this, whose side recently won 3 flags.

But the fact they are insane consolidates your opinion as fact.

I think going by this website most supporter bases are insane.

 

[Mr Meow]

I think going by this website most supporter bases are insane.

I'm well aware. The fact that you can't discern different levels of extremity is amusing.

 

[The Cryptkeeper]

There is a singular supporter base that strictly does not believe this, whose side recently won 3 flags.

But the fact they are insane consolidates your opinion as fact.

Ahh yes, the newly-minted GOAT who is that far behind the two actual ATG players of this century that it's fair and right to accuse supporters of that particular team of being morons.

 

[hk89]

There is a singular supporter base that strictly does not believe this, whose side recently won 3 flags.

I have trouble keeping up with Geelong obsessions. Are you referring to Richmond or Hawthorn fans here? I can't think of another club who fits the "recently won 3 flags" description (and barely Hawthorn to be honest), although I've seen Geelong fans try to include themselves in this group in recent times.

 

[Bushdid911]

We can probably move "is James Sicily

6

James Sicily

Age

29

Ht

188cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

12.7

5star

HB

5.7

4star

M

6.3

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

365.0

5star

D

19.4

4star

K

14.3

5star

HB

5.1

3star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.0

2star

MG

437.4

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

173.8

3star

the most influential player in the comp" and "James Sicily

6

James Sicily

Age

29

Ht

188cm

Wt

90kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

18.3

5star

K

12.7

5star

HB

5.7

4star

M

6.3

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

365.0

5star

D

19.4

4star

K

14.3

5star

HB

5.1

3star

M

5.9

5star

T

1.0

2star

MG

437.4

5star

D

10.0

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

4.2

4star

T

2.0

4star

MG

173.8

3star

should have been in the 2022 AA squad over Tom Stewart" to their own threads. I don't think maybe would argue he shouldn't be in this year. He's also having a better year than he did last year.

 

[danster168]

Both Stewart and Sicily get a hell of a lot of meaningless cheap ball though. Let's be honest. Both read the ball and all of that jazz but their numbers are incredibly misleading. The majority of their touches are uncontested sideways chip kicks etc.

 

[HarryBeef]

Both Stewart and Sicily get a hell of a lot of meaningless cheap ball though. Let's be honest. Both read the ball and all of that jazz but their numbers are incredibly misleading. The majority of their touches are uncontested sideways chip kicks etc.

Stewart averages more metres gained than Petracca...

 

[theasian]

Both Stewart and Sicily get a hell of a lot of meaningless cheap ball though. Let's be honest. Both read the ball and all of that jazz but their numbers are incredibly misleading. The majority of their touches are uncontested sideways chip kicks etc.

So what do you want them to do?

Kick long to a contest and immediately turn the ball over?

 

[KissKiss]

Stewart averages more metres gained than Petracca...

I mean rebounding defenders usually have some of the highest metres gained of all players. Its kinda of one of their main roles. So that's not really a compliment or a criticism

 

[OnceWeWereKings]

Both Stewart and Sicily get a hell of a lot of meaningless cheap ball though. Let's be honest. Both read the ball and all of that jazz but their numbers are incredibly misleading. The majority of their touches are uncontested sideways chip kicks etc.

Don’t think too many children are going to be called Daniel in the coming years.#VICBIAS

 

[267Hacksaw]

Balta Ryan Sicily
Stewart Ballard McGrath
Merrett Dawson Gulden
Miers Hawkins Bolton
Langford Walker Martin
Witts Serong Anderson
Jackson Breust Taranto Laird

Couldn't sneak a spot for the team thats been on top for the whole year.....scrape arguably the best player this year on the bench? Or has McGrath been better

 

[267Hacksaw]

Stewart averages more metres gained than Petracca...

Think you would find defenders, especially intercept defenders are mostly at the top of the metres gained board. It's their job

 

[HarryBeef]

I mean rebounding defenders usually have some of the highest metres gained of all players. Its kinda of one of their main roles. So that's not really a compliment or a criticism

He's 7th in the league, which would indicate he's not just kicking sideways all the time which is what I was responding to.

 

[Shadow89]

Probably because its not basketball where Jordan or Bryant can win off their own back.

18 players on a giant field mean even GAS can fail to win the 1989 Grand Final on his own.

Right ?

Not sure this is the argument you think it is. If it was, Sicily and co. would be playing off in a Grand Final this year...

This is coming from someone who thinks Sic is a lock for AA, as well.

 

[HarryBeef]

Think you would find defenders, especially intercept defenders are mostly at the top of the metres gained board. It's their job

Think you would find the correct answer too if you looked for it.

 

[267Hacksaw]

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Think you would find the correct answer too if you looked for it. View attachment 1768714

6 of the top 10 are halfbacks....

 

[HarryBeef]

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6 of the top 10 are halfbacks....

...so you're saying the 7th best metres gained player in the league kicks it sideways mostly? Or are you just talking to yourself?

 

[Bushdid911]

...so you're saying the 7th best metres gained player in the league kicks it sideways mostly? Or are you just talking to yourself?

Using my amazing maths skills (and a calculator). Tom Stewart averages 23 metres gained per disposal vs Sicily with 17. What does this mean? I honestly don't care.

 

[267Hacksaw]

...so you're saying the 7th best metres gained player in the league kicks it sideways mostly? Or are you just talking to yourself?

Huh, I'm saying a halfbacks job is to gain territory. Pretty sure we are on the same point. Whoever said they get cheap sideways kicks is an idiot

 

[HarryBeef]

Huh, I'm saying a halfbacks job is to gain territory. Pretty sure we are on the same point. Whoever said they get cheap sideways kicks is an idiot

Agreed.