Hoyney mentioned this on SEN. They go with a different rating, when it bases the measure on the expected efficiency based on the difficulty of the kick.
A much better way to do it - at least that's one element of his algorithm that he has right.
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A much better way to do it - at least that's one element of his algorithm that he has right.
It is completely broken. The main reason you become Elite is because of your classification and if you have a few stat outliers that give you a huge score over your rivals. It's like having a DPP player in Supercoach who actual plays midfield.
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Considering people like Kane Cornes & other analyst and supporters make arguments based off champion data's numbers.
You literally can make anyone look bad or good depending on what you go with.
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You don't think those stats are impressive?
stats aren't everything but the fact he is the first person with those proves he should have at least been in the Squad.
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Yeah I checked the list, Taranto has at least 14% more clangers than all of them except Kelly, who played for the worst side this century, hence its relevance to the discussion.
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I don't really give a toss about the endless Richmond circlejerk (to put in crudely).
But I found that post compared to your endorsement of blaisee quite amusing.
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Oliver also has a higher turnover rate than Taranto.
See how easy it is to use stats against a player.
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Taranto missing the squad is this year's version of Lynch deservedly getting pipped by Hawkins and Cameron last season. Get ready for it to be brought up ad nauseam all throughout 2024.
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Has the Brownlow happened? Who won?
Not this year, Taranto has set a new record for most amount of Clangers in a regular season at 121.
How could the most Clangers on record be rewarded with an AA berth?
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2017 most clangers
1# Dustin Martin
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Based off that both of them shouldn't have been top 2 in the Brownlow & should not have made the AA team.
Something I genuinely don't understand is why we as fans do not have access to the more advanced stats Champion Data have. I mean isn't Champion Data owned by the AFL? Why not give us fans the stats that are really important rather than the most basic stats that often tell us nothing?
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NUMBER 1 BABY WOOOOOOOOOOOO HE DESERVES IT BEST IN THE LEAGUE
115 for Dusty, not the 121 for Taranto but I agree they need to go back and review some awards in 2017.
Taranto may be in the top half dozen in Brownlow voting at the halfway point of the season, but does anyone think he finishes ahead of:
Bont
Petracca
Daicos
Butters
Gulden
Neale
He's miles behind all of them.
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I'm not directly comparing Taranto to Dusty & Danger seasons.
I'm stating pretty much I don't put too much stock in the Clangers as a stat, because a Clanger kick could be to your team's advantage, turnovers are much more important because you actually turned the ball over, there are players in the league that turn the ball over more than Taranto & are considered elite midfielders within the league.
I've not heard one Richmond supporter or any supporter in general claim that Taranto is some elite kick, we all know he is not a great kick but what he doesn't get credit for are other aspects of his game.
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Naughton might be a frustrating player to watch but he certainly came out of the year as one of the players underrated for his output. 66 goals/assists and 144 score involvements and Bont is the only midfielder they have who knows how to kick.
If only he were accurate he'd have been 5th in the Coleman to go with his 7th in goal assists.
But like Cameron when he is inaccurate, those missed set shots are the most memorable factor.
Huh?
I'm not disagreeing with your premise, just they you could've formed your argument better. Someone also pointed out that graph doesn't strengthen your argument.
Kick efficiency percentage can be and sometimes is misleading, as it doesn't take into account what kick was attempted, and what pressure it was under. Although CD do have these stats, they just don't publish them. I'm sure if they did Taranto would be on the bottom of those.
