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You'd hope Hotton supersedes him.
List Mgmt. 2023 Draft Thread - Part I
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Unlikely by round 1. Not sure if they are similar types to be honest.
Olli Hotton Draft Profile
Sandringham Dragons midfielder-forward Olli Hotton rose right into top 20 contention this season, credit to his speed and stoppage craft.
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Improving more and more with each game, Olli Hotton took some time to start delivering consistently on his promise as a prospect, but hardly looked back once he got up and running. Hotton started the season for Sandringham in a predominantly forward role, leaning on his speed and one-touch skills at ground level to outdo opponents and create scoring opportunities.
After strong school footy form with Haileybury College, Hotton’s breakout game came as Vic Metro took on South Australia in the Under 18 National Championships, collecting 24 disposals and booting three goals with an extended run in the midfield. Having taken his chance at representative level, he continued to perform to a high standard in the NAB League en route to premiership success.
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That would be a big leap for Hotton. Even talented super draftee Philippou was mostly playing forward in a bit part role with occasional midfield cameos. 10-15 touches a game staying out there on potential. Owens took til his second year of playing to break out.
Hotton hasn't played a game and doesn't have the same pedigree as Philippou (top 10 draft pick) or Owens (hyped for two years as a gun young player internally)
To me he's just another young player.
Clark while not a superstar has had many impactful games in that 25-30+ touch range. Played finals.
On performance Clark's best is better than Owens and Phillipou and Windy's best combined.
On potential maybe only Owens has shown better so far
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It looks like our pick #13 will blow out to #16 or #17 at the draft, which will make our chance of getting Caleb Windsor pretty low. Thats unless we can move up the order on the night. After listening to Dave Misson today, it seems we are pretty happy with where we sit. So perhaps Charlie Edwards who was is a 190cm midfielder and a late season bloomer is our first pick option?
I think Mitch's impact on games is significantly higher than Clark. Agree on the other two thought.
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Didn't test well, but looks quick on the field.
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We sit in a really awkward part of the draft.
Toce will really prove his worth if he can nail this one.
Toce will really prove his worth if he can nail this one.
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Impact per Touch Yes but Clark I think we’ve forgotten genuinely how good he is.
Clark is like a 7/10 player playing to 70% of his potential.
Owens is a 10/10 superstar but only playing at like 20% of his potential so far.
It’s fair since Clark is way further into his career compared to Owens
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Some options for our pick #40 later in the draft (Cooper Simpson is a player I had previously overlooked) -
LUKE LLOYD
A 193cm forward, Lloyd emerged as a draft bolter in the second half of the year. He was unsighted at the under-18 national championships, after missing selection for Vic Metro following an early-season quad injury. However, Lloyd kicked 19 goals in a game for school side De La Salle in May to put his potential on show. His marking is a feature of his game and he booted eight goals across his final three games of the season for Sandringham Dragons in the Coates Talent League, including two majors in a winning grand final.
CALSHER DEAR
A 195cm forward, Dear had a solid second half of the season for Sandringham Dragons in the Coates Talent League to attract some late AFL attention. He played as a forward and back-up ruck for the Dragons and particularly caught the eye in the grand final as he logged 13 disposals, 14 hit-outs, three marks and kicked two goals. Dear’s mobility for a big man and ability to win the footy in the air and at ground level are his big strengths. He is eligible to join Hawthorn as a father-son, being the son of the late Paul Dear who played 123 games and won a premiership with the club in 1991.
COOPER SIMPSON
Somewhat of a forgotten man, Simpson has slid down draft boards through little fault of his own, with an injury during the championships sidelining him for a critical part of the season. But his finish to year for the Dandenong Stingrays was a reminder of his x-factor as a midfielder, booting 2 goals from 20 disposals in his final outing. Simpson has a great sidestep in traffic and can break a game open with his penetrating kick, burst and ability to hit the scoreboard, averaging 21.5 disposals and just under a goal per game at Coates Talent League level. Had impressive results across the board at the combine and also received a VFL opportunity for Casey earlier in the year.
WILL GRAHAM
The 186cm midfielder has been the forgotten fourth Gold Coast Suns Academy member in this year’s draft pool. Three first-round draft locks from the Suns’ Academy – Jed Walter, Ethan Read and Jake Rogers – have been heavily talked about. However, Graham is a solid prospect in his own right. A potential top-40 pick, he can play as an inside midfielder or on a wing and has strong athletic traits which shone through at the recent national draft combine. Graham finished second in the 20m sprint, equal-second in the vertical jump and equal-third in the running vertical jump.
CAIDEN CLEARY
Cleary was the fourth ranked player at the national championships, finishing second for tackles, fourth most disposals and equal fourth for contested possessions. Yet the hard-nosed Swans Academy prospect may not attract a bid inside the first two rounds of the draft. Cleary isn’t overly quick and there are knocks over his kicking, but he is one of the best inside ball-winners in the pool. The 182cm midfielder tackles like his life depends on it and his performances have stacked up against men, playing six games for Sydney at VFL level, with his five centre-clearances, 22 disposals and 102 ranking points against GWS Giants’ VFL side the highlight. He also can run all day, clocking the fifth best 2km trial time result at the draft combine. Cleary is expected to be matched by the Swans, but after their three acquisitions during the trade and free agency period, they may only take two or three picks in the national draft.
WIL DAWSON
A versatile tall, Dawson measured 200.3cm at the national draft combine and is still growing. Gippsland Power required him in defence this year and he impressed in that position. However, Dawson is seen as a natural forward and back-up ruck, which is where he featured in his bottom-age season in 2022. While not a finished product just yet, there is plenty of excitement about what Dawson could become given his size, competitive nature, one-on-one contest wins and ability to be clean below his knees. He has met with just about every club, suggesting he will likely land somewhere.
SHAUN MANNAGH
Clubs after a plug and play mature-ager who can find the footy with ease and consistently hit the scoreboard, look no further. Mannagh put an exclamation point on his dominant VFL season with an incredible grand final performance, booting six goals and racking up 28 disposals to win the best-on-ground medal in Werribee’s loss to Gold Coast. You have to have make a significant impact to get drafted at 26, but Mannagh did just that at VFL level this season as a midfielder-forward, averaging 25 disposals, 7.8 score involvements, 5.6 tackles 4.7 clearances, 1.9 goals and 117 ranking points per game. Players who can break games open in the forward half while winning 20 disposals are hard to find, and Mannagh is well worth the punt.
COOPER TREMBATH
A 193cm tall, Trembath took to his first season in defence like a duck to water this year. He was overlooked for Vic Metro’s under-18 national championships squad, but starred in the middle and later part of the year for the Eastern Ranges as a strong-marking and intercepting backman. In a round 7 match in the Coates Talent League, Trembath racked up 17 disposals and 14 marks including eight intercept marks. He has quickly learnt when to go for his marks and when to spoil and how to position his body. Trembath can play on mid-sized forwards but also a little bit bigger and has drawn comparisons to Greater Western Sydney’s Connor Idun.
MICHAEL RUDD
Rudd was equal fifth for goals per game at the national championships after an eye-catching carnival for Vic Country, but he was left off the national combine invite list. Club concerns centre on the medium forward’s speed, but what Rudd does have is a huge engine and strong hands overhead. Rudd showcased this at the state combine where he came equal-fifth in the 2km time trial (6:17). At 192cm, Rudd plays in a similar vein to Collingwood premiership forward Brody Mihocek and could prove to be a hidden gem for a club after a marking forward with relentless workrate.
TAYLOR GOAD
The equal-tallest player at the national draft combine, Goad measured in at a towering 206.2cm. However, despite his size he is incredibly athletic and finished eighth in both the 20m sprint and vertical jump tests. Goad featured as a ruckman for South Australia in all four games of the under-18 national championships and continued his good form in the second half of the season for South Adelaide in the SANFL under-18s. He is agile, has good skills and is super competitive. Goad only began to focus on football again last year, having previously prioritised basketball.
KANE MCAULIFFE
A 187cm utility from North Adelaide, McAuliffe has some fans and showcased his incredible athletic abilities at the national draft combine. He finished third in the running vertical jump and fifth in both the vertical jump and the 20m sprint tests. He was also the first South Australian across the line in the 2km time trial, finishing in a time of 6min 26sec. A member of the AFL Academy this year, McAuliffe was restricted at times by a groin injury. However, the penetrating left-footer led the way in the midfield for South Australia at the national championships and impressed across seven SANFL reserves matches in the second half of the year.
LOGAN EVANS
A strong start to the season saw Evans crack into the Norwood’s senior side from the get-go, tallying 18 disposals in a promising league debut. The rangy defender has spent time at all three levels this season but has played most of his footy in Norwood’s reserves, where he has averaged 15.2 disposals, 5.8 intercepts and 91 ranking points across 10 matches. His national championships could have been better, but as his national combine snub proves, Evans’ season has flown under the radar. The 189cm prospect reads the play well, has tidy skills and isn’t afraid to get his hands dirty defensively
REECE TORRENT
A 184cm midfielder or rebounding halfback, Torrent had a solid national championships with Western Australia and made an even better finish to the season. He made his senior WAFL debut for Peel Thunder in the final round of the regular season, showing good composure and kicking a goal. He runs hard and can break the lines, can win his own ball when playing inside and hits targets when on the outside with his nice left foot. Torrent placed seventh in the agility test at the national draft combine, while also performing well in the 2km time trial with a time of 6min 24sec.
KOEN SANCHEZ
May not have eye-catching traits of WA bolter Lance Collard, but Sanchez is a hardworking half-forward who is always keeping himself busy. Sanchez had a consistent national carnival where he averaged 17.8 disposals, 6.0 score involvments, 1.5 goals and 102 ranking points, with his three goals against Vic Metro the highlight. The East Fremantle prospect is very clean below his knees, has deft footskills and is a great decision maker. Sanchez has racked up large possession tallies as a midfielder at WAFL Colts level, suggesting he can pinch hit in the midfield at the next level. Sanchez has also made the step up to WAFL Reserves level and didn’t look out of place.
BAILEY VAN DE HEUVEL
The dearth of key defenders in the AFL saw the 25-year-old burst onto the draft radar, with his invite to the state combine evidence of club interest. After crossing from Footscray to Geelong’s VFL side, Van De Heuvel went to anothett level at the back end of the season, averaging 18.2 disposals, 8.3 marks, 7.8 intercept possessions and 4.8 marks in his last five games. This was all while working as an electrician during the week. At 200cm, Van De Heuvel can win the ball back off the opposition with his reading of the play and overhead marking, and he is ultra competitive defensively. Geelong VFL coach Mark Corrigan views him as a mature-ager with significant upside given he has never been in a full-time program. Could he be the latest Cats VFL graduate to be promoted to Geelong list?
SAM CLOHESY
The Fothergill-Round-Mitchell Medal has been a golden ticket into the AFL for mature-age talents, with Ethan Phillips (2022) the first recipient in the last 16 years who didn’t go on to get drafted. Clohesy, the older brother of 2022 Geelong draftee Ted, was recognised with the award after coming on in leaps and bounds this year alongside Mannagh for Werribee, averaging 16.8 disposalss and 5.6 marks. The rebounding defender uses the ball well by foot, is a good size at 189cm and is strong overhead. Clohesy has played local footy all over the country and this year was his first full season playing VFL football, giving him promising upside for a club after a defender. Several clubs have shown interest, with his 26-disposal preliminary final in particular attracting attention.
I'd love to use pick 40 on Tew Jiath, Hawks can match after pick 40. It would be so good to pinch him with the last pick before they got access.
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It's sort of easier in a way. There are a few speculative ones that you wouldn't want to have a roll of the dice on early but have massive upside.
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Clark is going to have to push Stocker or Webster out of the small HB defender role and hold Paton off IMO. Mids are going to be tight with Dow wanting minutes and Henry in a running HF spot. I guess if Ross stays injury prone and Jones stays down he might get a run.
Fresher talent gets more access usually.
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Hunter is fortunate he was given a 2 year contract. If he wants to play consistently next year he will have to improve his running two fold - speed & endurance. We cant continue to play players who get destroyed on the spread from stoppages and cant play more than 60-70% game time.
With our pick, we aren't going to get some guy with the fastest pace and also good kicking and skills.
I think they need to focus on guys who have footy skills intact and the ability to get the ball.
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We have Jones & now Dow with burst pace out of the centre, wouldn't hurt to add another one.
Why i've gone with Demattia over C.Edwards.
But wouldn't mind Edwards coz he looks the better kick.
We also need another developing Ruck I reckon & there is a few KPD's in the draft, whereas next year is more of mids.
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Ned long delisted, maybe worth an invite to training.
Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' October ranking
AFL.com.au's draft guru Cal Twomey delivers his fourth Phantom Form Guide ahead of the 2023 National Draft
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In my completely uninformed opinion based entirely on Twomey's phantom form guide Charlie Edwards, George Stevens and Darcy Wilson look like types I'd love to see us nab if we don't move up the order. Although the words "half-back" appearing the Stevens and Edwards' descriptions still evoke a trauma response in me.
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If that list is in any way accurate, and Twomey isn’t usually too far off, then I’d be very happy with two of;Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' October ranking
AFL.com.au's draft guru Cal Twomey delivers his fourth Phantom Form Guide ahead of the 2023 National Draft
Wilson, Tholstrup, Collard, Murphy, DiMattia, and Edwards.
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I'll preface this by saying that he's the son of a family friend. Hawks were apparently telling him how good he was going and happy with his progress. He'd be worth a train on spot. He showed quite a bit when he played.
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Yeah, there is some real potential in that group. It's a weird draft and you wouldn't be surprised is a few ended up high-end talent.
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A genuine forward/mid in the De Goey mould would be handy.
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He reminds me of the ex Saint Jonathon Marsh - do you think he is quick enough to have an impact at AFL level?
If Wilson gets through to #15 you would hope the club would have a red hot got of trading up to select him.
I like the sound of the two WA boys in our range.
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I unfortunately think we will be too far back for Wilson.Cal Twomey's Phantom Form Guide: Top draft prospects' October ranking
AFL.com.au's draft guru Cal Twomey delivers his fourth Phantom Form Guide ahead of the 2023 National Draft
I do like Murphy or Jiath. Of the mids, Edwards and DeMattia are two who appeal in our range.Generally not as keen to draft from the WAFL colts but Tholstrup playing a decent amount of seniors games is appealing as he is an x-factor type.
For our 2nd pick, I like Phoenix Gothard. I dont know if it's the name or that I think we need another small forward but I could see him in our senior side.
