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I love Membrey think he has been great for the club and done really well in crap sides
Think he will be fine under RTB and was most likely playing how the coach asked him to play previously

Agree man, so difficult to get a gauge on some of our older players, as has been discussed on here before. Is it development (coaching) or bad recruiting or as is likely, a horrific combination of both those things?

I feel there’s a spotlight on:

Billings/Membery/Howard/Gresham/Hunter/Battle.

I think they will thrive under Lyon and further they will know for sure, with clarity, if and why they are not thriving.

Since RTB’s return we can immediately see a strong game authenticity that involves structures, ball use and effort.

Hunter for example will be given a simplified role and told not to sweat the errors, this will enhance him as a player I predict. (Still curious about his low time on ground though, surely not another injury.)

In a decade under Richardson and Ratten where we saw pretty non-plussed performances in big games, except for that one final in a ghost ride of a year, I always had the sense that the playing group was somewhat suspicious of the coach and his message. It reminded me of the time Riewoldt and Montagna were silently laughing when Watters was addressing the group at half-time.

I swear to you I have still have PTSD from some Richardson coached games and his equally egregious post-match conferences and then his subtle criticisms of his own staff.

Ratten was just a mumbling fool out of his depth but probably a lovely bloke.

Lade was an arrogant c***.

Rath was a fraud.

Interested to see how Adam Kingsley goes this year. Seems to be loved by everyone except good old, false good bloke Richo.
 
If you had to attempt to put the neutral supporter hat on for a minute, was our match that bad to watch?

Seeing a lot of comments around BF that the match quality was atrocious. It does not bother me but I thought that it would not have been that bad from an external viewpoint. Or is the response just a bit of Lyon hatred creeping in. The game was close the whole way, the undermanned underdog side was trailing then pulled away.
 

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If you had to attempt to put the neutral supporter hat on for a minute, was our match that bad to watch?

Seeing a lot of comments around BF that the match quality was atrocious. It does not bother me but I thought that it would not have been that bad from an external viewpoint. Or is the response just a bit of Lyon hatred creeping in. The game was close the whole way, the undermanned underdog side was trailing then pulled away.


It was messy and chaotic but it was fast paced and close. I thought it was quite an exciting game from a crowd POV. Maybe as a neutral it wasn't the most watchable but close games that are a wrestle are better than watching a top 4 side destroy a crippled bottom 4 side. I thought that Carlton Richmond game was much worse. Had no vibe or real edge to it despite a huge crowd.

The Dome wasn't very full but the crowd was into it. Ross has bought the passion back. If we play like that regularly the crowds will return.
 
If you had to attempt to put the neutral supporter hat on for a minute, was our match that bad to watch?

Seeing a lot of comments around BF that the match quality was atrocious. It does not bother me but I thought that it would not have been that bad from an external viewpoint. Or is the response just a bit of Lyon hatred creeping in. The game was close the whole way, the undermanned underdog side was trailing then pulled away.

I thought our match was quite good to watch, I might have had a different opinion if we lost though.

In all honesty if any team was guilty of making that match look bad it was Freo and their lack of ability to score goals even with more inside 50s, if it wasn't for the help they got from the umpires they would have scored even less goals than they did. With King and Membrey missing we had more excuses for struggling to score than they did, I thought 10 goals was a reasonable effort with a makeshift forward line up against a high quality defence.
 
I have had an educational day or so on the main board.

I recommend reading two threads:

This one about the Bulldogs was surprising because a few posters here talk up their list

and

This one about Freo, which is the standard Sky Is Falling round one melts. You can tell they didn't expect to lose to such a lowly team - I wonder how many other teams we'll surprise this season? - but it appears that there is trouble in paradise in the purple parts of WA, not everyone is convinced about their much "vaunted"TM midfield

 
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The fact Pickett got the same penalty as a stationary Ryder is laughable, yet unsurprising

I'm still pissed Long got weeks for Darcy being a dopey big guy and trying to headbutt a ball in dispute and AFL response boiling down to "why are you contesting that ball? Don't do it.".

If you had to attempt to put the neutral supporter hat on for a minute, was our match that bad to watch?

Seeing a lot of comments around BF that the match quality was atrocious. It does not bother me but I thought that it would not have been that bad from an external viewpoint. Or is the response just a bit of Lyon hatred creeping in. The game was close the whole way, the undermanned underdog side was trailing then pulled away.

Cats v Pies
Port v Bris
-little gap here
Saints v Freo
Dees v Dogs
Crows v Giants
-larger gap here
Suns v Swans
Tigers v Blues
-little gap again
North v Eagles
Bombers v Hawks

Best to worst for me. I hated how just non competitive the Eagles and Hawks were, like just forfeit if you're going to shit the bed for 2 hours, don't use it as a glorified match sim whilst the othe rmob run around "how good is this" or has similar issues to you and are just better.

Then again, I'd rather watch a mob try and engage brains to work through a defensive zoning and counter punching rather than say Tigers v Blues where it was just far more error ridden of "oops, I shit the bed" to cause much of what happened in that match as opposed to "I thought this was best way and ran into a wall several times" that was our match. The bombers v hawks type matches are great for supporters of and you want that in finals, not round 1 as a random.
 
If you had to attempt to put the neutral supporter hat on for a minute, was our match that bad to watch?

Seeing a lot of comments around BF that the match quality was atrocious. It does not bother me but I thought that it would not have been that bad from an external viewpoint. Or is the response just a bit of Lyon hatred creeping in. The game was close the whole way, the undermanned underdog side was trailing then pulled away.
Lyon has a reputation of being in charge of some dour gameplans, while I don't agree, it seems many others are eager to jump on that bandwagon now. I think I read a stat somewhere that suggested that if we score like the Ross Lyon Saints did the first time around, we'd be nearly the number 1 attacking side in the competition in 2023.
But it doesn't fit the narrative.
 
I have had an educational day or so on the main board.

I recommend reading two threads:

This one about the Bulldogs was surprising because a few posters here talk up their list

and

This one about Freo, which is the standard Sky Is Falling round one melts. You can tell they didn't expect to lose to such a lowly team - I wonder how many other teams we'll surprise this season? - but it appears that there is trouble in paradise in the purple parts of WA, not everyone is convinced about their much "vaunted"TM midfield


mundy is a massive out for them. i always felt Mundy was more important to Freo than Fyfe was. not only because Mundy was the real captain and leader, but also because he's critical in terms of their ball movement and clutch moments. Fyfe more did the flashy things but he was very poor with his disposal.

i think it's showing that without mundy they're really lost, which explains their desperate attempt to get Omeara as somewhat of a replacement.
 
I have had an educational day or so on the main board.

I recommend reading two threads:

This one about the Bulldogs was surprising because a few posters here talk up their list

and

This one about Freo, which is the standard Sky Is Falling round one melts. You can tell they didn't expect to lose to such a lowly team - I wonder how many other teams we'll surprise this season? - but it appears that there is trouble in paradise in the purple parts of WA, not everyone is convinced about their much "vaunted"TM midfield


Freo have been copping it in the media here and from their supporters after losing to us on Sunday, they were being talked up as being Top 4 contenders after making finals last year and then adding the likes of Jackson and O'Meara to their team but that loss to us really dented their credibility.

Luckily for them they get the chance to bounce back with a game against North at home but that is a danger game for them too with Clarko a chance to outcoach Longmuir like Lyon did. If they lose that game the shit will really hit the fan and make it hard for them to make the Top 8 let alone the Top 4.

Likewise the Bulldogs chances of making the Top 8 or the Top 4 will take a hit if they lose to us on Saturday and more questions will be asked of Bevo.
 
I feel like Carlton are a chance somehow tonight, but it's pretty hard to tip against last year's premiers, even after a loss last week. With no Walsh, and now I notice also no Hewett, the blues are up against it in the middle and will need a biggy from Cripps of course if they're to be anywhere near it. However with their forward line, and Geelong missing Stewart, it's hard to write 'em off too quickly and it may well be closer than expected.

I do relish the prospect of Carlton being without a win after two rounds, so I guess I'll be sending my positive vibes to the Cats. 💩
 
I feel like Carlton are a chance somehow tonight, but it's pretty hard to tip against last year's premiers, even after a loss last week. With no Walsh, and now I notice also no Hewett, the blues are up against it in the middle and will need a biggy from Cripps of course if they're to be anywhere near it. However with their forward line, and Geelong missing Stewart, it's hard to write 'em off too quickly and it may well be closer than expected.

I do relish the prospect of Carlton being without a win after two rounds, so I guess I'll be sending my positive vibes to the Cats.
Wish we could get the Cats in the first 3 rounds, they're notoriously late starters.
 

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O Meara was going to be the archetypal new wave footballer. I know he’s been injured a lot but didn’t quite live up to the hype.


He looked like he'd be the best player in the league as a 20 year old but he was never the same after injury. Lost all explosiveness.
 
He looked like he'd be the best player in the league as a 20 year old but he was never the same after injury. Lost all explosiveness.
Yes for some the light can burn out very quickly 😢

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Hawkins again accidentally eye gouges. The tribunal getting ready to book Weitering for injuring his finger with an errant eye socket.
Seen it happen before tbh


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