Preview 2023 Goodbye (To 2024) New; Preseason Discussion

[Chewy316]

We've had an undersized defence for literally Hinkley's entire tenure. It's never previously been offered up as an excuse for failure. In fact, they made one of those undersized defenders captain and he made the All Australian squad multiple times.

Just more excuses from this excuse factory masquerading as a football club. They are utter losers.

2014 they had all of Carlile, Hombsch, Trengove and Jonas playing in the best 22 (plus sub). But they went to a smaller backline in 2016 focusing more on mobility and that pattern hasn't changed.

With regards to the midfield, you only have 3 on ballers, maybe 4 if it's congested at any given stoppage. This essentially means that one of Rozee, Butters, JHF, Wines or Drew are going to pushed to a wing for considerable amounts of this upcoming season. We saw last year in particular that the member of the five who saw extensive wing time was Wines - in part because of his injury issues. Given that Hinkley has said Wines will be inside mid this year, my only assumption can be that we will see JHF or Drew get a fair bit of wing time, which is a recipe for disaster.

Having 5 great on ball options is a great problem to have until you put all of them in the same team and disrupt the balance of the side. One could suggest that Rozee, Butters and JHF could play more forward, but that would be taking away from their strengths as the top 3 on ballers this team has. It's akin to the problem in 2005 when Choco played all of Primus, Lade and Brogan in the same side and the balance was completely off.

 

[Coobk001]

And he actually said this as well...
So embarrassing
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Veteran forward’s sad retirement admission ahead of new AFL season

The 33-year-old’s banged-up body is struggling to recover.

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Jesus.

Well put a line through Dixon. Friggin ridiculous he's even on the list if this is true.

 

[Willsy10]

Not sure what the issue is with what Dixon said? Sounds like he is just being honest with where he is at.


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[PAFC66]

Not sure what the issue is with what Dixon said? Sounds like he is just being honest with where he is at.


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So why's he not retired?

 

[Launchpad McQuack]

Not sure what the issue is with what Dixon said? Sounds like he is just being honest with where he is at.


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Because before signing a contract he was asserting he could play for another 2-3 years but in the twilight of the next preseason his body is suddenly dust.

 

[Coobk001]

Not sure what the issue is with what Dixon said? Sounds like he is just being honest with where he is at.


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Did you read the article. He's sore and battling in preseason. Not just a groin but the broken foot. He's literally hobbling through preseason. If your body can't handle the rigours of preseason, which is absolutely the time you should be feeling your best, then he's more cooked to than we could ever imagine. He should not be playing come round 1 if he's that badly banged up. Last thing we need is to be carrying a limping, slow Dixon again.

 

[Willsy10]

Did you read the article. He's sore and battling in preseason. Not just a groin but the broken foot. He's literally hobbling through preseason. If your body can't handle the rigours of preseason, which is absolutely the time you should be feeling your best, then he's more cooked to than we could ever imagine. He should not be playing come round 1 if he's that badly banged up. Last thing we need is to be carrying a limping, slow Dixon again.

Yeah I read it, all these injuries we already knew about last year. He was banged up with the pcl all last year and then broke his foot in August and then they wheeled him out for the semi final clearly still months away from full recovery. That foot would be still healing but it would be close to getting back to as good as it’s going to get. He was never going to be training the house down in summer.


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[Willsy10]

So why's he not retired?

Because the club offered him a one year deal and he accepted it.


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[Willsy10]

Because before signing a contract he was asserting he could play for another 2-3 years but in the twilight of the next preseason his body is suddenly dust.

Maybe the club had told him this is your last year and we’ll be getting games into lord.


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[Doctor Feel]

Because before signing a contract he was asserting he could play for another 2-3 years but in the twilight of the next preseason his body is suddenly dust.

He's an ass and everyone will be glad he's gone.

 

[gbear]

He's an ass and everyone will be glad he's gone.

Won’t be shedding any tears when he finally gtfo.

 

[Butters and Pepper]

That awkward moment when Dixon finally retires and is added to the coaching staff.

 

[TazD]

That awkward moment when Dixon finally retires and is added to the coaching staff.

 

[Poo Eckert]

2014 they had all of Carlile, Hombsch, Trengove and Jonas playing in the best 22 (plus sub). But they went to a smaller backline in 2016 focusing more on mobility and that pattern hasn't changed.

With regards to the midfield, you only have 3 on ballers, maybe 4 if it's congested at any given stoppage. This essentially means that one of Rozee, Butters, JHF, Wines or Drew are going to pushed to a wing for considerable amounts of this upcoming season. We saw last year in particular that the member of the five who saw extensive wing time was Wines - in part because of his injury issues. Given that Hinkley has said Wines will be inside mid this year, my only assumption can be that we will see JHF or Drew get a fair bit of wing time, which is a recipe for disaster.

Having 5 great on ball options is a great problem to have until you put all of them in the same team and disrupt the balance of the side. One could suggest that Rozee, Butters and JHF could play more forward, but that would be taking away from their strengths as the top 3 on ballers this team has. It's akin to the problem in 2005 when Choco played all of Primus, Lade and Brogan in the same side and the balance was completely off.

True, however Rozee and Butters will need a rest, rather than bench forward, where they would be very dangerous forward options.

It means the midfield barring injuries should have no excuses for 80 minutes of high octane pressure

 

[dirty2]

That awkward moment when Dixon finally retires and is added to the coaching staff.

Dixon the forward coach

"I want you to stand still and put one hand in the air and if you don't win the ball pull ya angry face"

 

[JimmyBC]

The Dixon coached forward line

 

[bomberclifford]

The Dixon coached forward line

Chuck is the trojan horse that falls over.

 

[PowerLil]

That awkward moment when Dixon finally retires and is added to the coaching staff.

Cam Sutcliffe anyone?

 

[VineValerian]

2014 they had all of Carlile, Hombsch, Trengove and Jonas playing in the best 22 (plus sub). But they went to a smaller backline in 2016 focusing more on mobility and that pattern hasn't changed.

With regards to the midfield, you only have 3 on ballers, maybe 4 if it's congested at any given stoppage. This essentially means that one of Rozee, Butters, JHF, Wines or Drew are going to pushed to a wing for considerable amounts of this upcoming season. We saw last year in particular that the member of the five who saw extensive wing time was Wines - in part because of his injury issues. Given that Hinkley has said Wines will be inside mid this year, my only assumption can be that we will see JHF or Drew get a fair bit of wing time, which is a recipe for disaster.

Having 5 great on ball options is a great problem to have until you put all of them in the same team and disrupt the balance of the side. One could suggest that Rozee, Butters and JHF could play more forward, but that would be taking away from their strengths as the top 3 on ballers this team has. It's akin to the problem in 2005 when Choco played all of Primus, Lade and Brogan in the same side and the balance was completely off.

Brisbane under Lethal had Voss, Lappin, Black, Acker, Notting, Hart and others rotating through the midfield/bench/forward line, and seemed to go ok.
Don't see a problem.
All it requires is sensible tactical savvy and man management.

On second thought, maybe our current coaching panel don't have the skillset to organise the last sentence

 

[Chewy316]

Brisbane under Lethal had Voss, Lappin, Black, Acker, Notting, Hart and others rotating through the midfield/bench/forward line, and seemed to go ok.
Don't see a problem.
All it requires is sensible tactical savvy and man management.

On second thought, maybe our current coaching panel don't have the skillset to organise the last sentence

That was over 20 years ago when the amount of rotations were minimal - barely 20 per game.

And it worked because the secondary guys like Notting, Lappin etc could rotate through other parts of the ground.

If you assume that Rozee and Butters and Port's two primary on ballers, of their three secondary guys (JHF, Wines and Drew) only JHF has shown that he can play in another part of the ground. Both Drew and Wines are strictly on ballers, they have not shown at any point in their career that they can play in another part of the ground.

They're going to have a log jam in the midfield and it will either result in IJF seeing significantly less minutes in the middle to accommodate Drew and Wines which will no doubt hinder his development, or they will move Rozee and Butters out of the middle more often, which I simply don't agree with considering they're our two best guys in that position.

 

[Rash]

That was over 20 years ago when the amount of rotations were minimal - barely 20 per game.

And it worked because the secondary guys like Notting, Lappin etc could rotate through other parts of the ground.

If you assume that Rozee and Butters and Port's two primary on ballers, of their three secondary guys (JHF, Wines and Drew) only JHF has shown that he can play in another part of the ground. Both Drew and Wines are strictly on ballers, they have not shown at any point in their career that they can play in another part of the ground.

They're going to have a log jam in the midfield and it will either result in IJF seeing significantly less minutes in the middle to accommodate Drew and Wines which will no doubt hinder his development, or they will move Rozee and Butters out of the middle more often, which I simply don't agree with considering they're our two best guys in that position.

the problem with JHF getting parked in the fwd line for significant amounts of time is that this is the season where he is supposed to go to that next level, we saw that with rozee until 2022 (his AA year when he finally got out of the fwd line), we dont want ken to put a cap on what jhf can become this year. however wines and drew cant play fwd, so ken and carr will have a headache about the correct balance of our midfield

 

[Imhotep]

We can play Wines and Drew in the midfield for the majority of game time say 75% each and still play Butters, JHF and Rozee 50% each in the middle. It gives us bonuses in areas of the ground we have weaknesses eg wing and small forwards and means we don't have to play underperforming players such as DBJ, McEntee and Boak in positions they don't belong in.

I'm actually a big fan of using our three best mids as impact players in the midfield instead of grinding them down before finals. Let Rozee play wing, Butters and JHF play small forward and we have the most dangerous team in the league.

 

[Rash]

We can play Wines and Drew in the midfield for the majority of game time say 75% each and still play Butters, JHF and Rozee 50% each in the middle. It gives us bonuses in areas of the ground we have weaknesses eg wing and small forwards and means we don't have to play underperforming players such as DBJ, McEntee and Boak in positions they don't belong in.

I'm actually a big fan of using our three best mids as impact players in the midfield instead of grinding them down before finals. Let Rozee play wing, Butters and JHF play small forward and we have the most dangerous team in the league.

in my opinion having wines and drew in the midfield wont work, due to both of them not being able to be a damaging kick, and not being able to have speed. teams who have strong midefileds, e.g GWS, Cartlon, dees and pies will kill us due to the ability to spread out of the contest, somethings wines and drew lack. thus having butters and rozee playing the majority in the midfield with wines, provides us with the ability to spread and be tough. this is the perfect balance. we saw wines in the middle with butters and rozee last year, however with a fit, full pre-season ollie wines, he can win the contested ball along with butters rozee and JHF, and distribute to our quicker mids. drew should see a deacrase in mid mins and JHF's mid time will stay simialr to last year in my opinion (but be sufficint enough for him to go to that next level).

 

[Rash]

https://twitter.com/i/broadcasts/1MnGnMzkjnLKO

Rozee interview from toay

 

[Chewy316]

We can play Wines and Drew in the midfield for the majority of game time say 75% each and still play Butters, JHF and Rozee 50% each in the middle. It gives us bonuses in areas of the ground we have weaknesses eg wing and small forwards and means we don't have to play underperforming players such as DBJ, McEntee and Boak in positions they don't belong in.

I'm actually a big fan of using our three best mids as impact players in the midfield instead of grinding them down before finals. Let Rozee play wing, Butters and JHF play small forward and we have the most dangerous team in the league.

There is absolutely no scenario in which Butters and Rozee should be playing just 50% of their time in the middle of the ground. These are not 35 year olds who need to be managed. They are 23 and 24 respectively in the prime of their careers who are now the two biggest leaders of the Club - and need to be leading the way.

You don't manage them just to give Wines and Drew more midfield time.