List Mgmt. 2023 GWS Giants List Management - Academy, Free Agent, Trade, Draft

[Giant Strides]

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Here's the list of GWS players who are out of contract in 2023 (I'll progressively cross them out as they re-sign):

• Lachie ASH
• Callan WARD (Free Agent)
• Brayden PREUSS
• Tom GREEN
• Finn CALLAGHAN
• Lachlan KEEFFE (Free Agent)
• Jake RICCARDI
• Harry HIMMELBERG (Free Agent)
• Cam FLEETON - delisted (25/9/23)
• Matt FLYNN (Free Agent) - signed by West Coast as an Unrestricted Free Agent
• Xavier O'HALLORAN
• Jack BUCKLEY
• Callum BROWN

Rookie lists:

• Phil DAVIS (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Jacob WEHR (Free agent)
• Dan LLOYD (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Cooper HAMILTON
• Wade DERKSEN
• Nick MADDEN (Cat B) - assumed re-signed due to 2 sources of info
• Jason GILBEE (Cat B) - delisted (25/9/23)

Current list sizes (for when we get to list/draft/trade speculation):

• main list = 36 minus 3 (Fleeton, Flynn + Kennedy delisted with a view to be re-selected in the rookie draft)
• rookie A = 6 minus 2 (Davis, Lloyd)
• rookie B = 2 minus 1 (Gilbee)
• total = 44 minus 5

This is the future pick spreadsheet that comes into play only at trade time, as future picks are used in end of season (2023) trading:


Here's the 2023 AFL Academy Squad, so these (roughly) represent the best players for next year as they stand now:

2023 NAB AFL ACADEMY​

NAME	SURNAME	STATE	STATE LEAGUE CLUB	COMMUNITY CLUB
Lachlan	Cabor	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Shellharbour
Nate	Caddy	VIC M	Northern Knights	Yarrambat
Jack	Callinan	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Clarence
Caiden	Cleary	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Sydney University
Daniel	Curtin	WA	Claremont	West Coast
Jack	Delean	SA	South Adelaide	Reynella
Zane	Duursma	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Foster
Mitchell	Edwards	WA	Peel Thunder	South Mandurah
William	Green	VIC M	Northern Knights	Northcote
Riley	Hardeman	WA	Swan Districts	Caversham
William	Lorenz	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Boroondara Hawks
Kane	McAuliffe	SA	North Adelaide	Central Augusta
Colby	McKercher	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Launceston
Ashton	Moir	SA	Glenelg	Plympton
Connor	O'Sullivan	NSW/ACT	Murray Bushrangers	Albury
William	Patton	SA	West Adelaide	Mitcham
Nathan	Philactides	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Blackburn
Ethan	Read	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Archer	Reid	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Inverloch-Kongwak
Harley	Reid	VIC C	Bendigo Pioneers	Tongala
Archie	Roberts	VIC M	Sandringham Dragons	Hampton Rovers
Jake	Rogers	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Broadbeach
Ryley	Sanders	TAS	Sandringham Dragons	North Launceston
Cooper	Simpson	VIC C	Dandenong Stingrays	Mount Martha
George	Stevens	VIC C	GWV Rebels	South Warrnambool
Koltyn	Tholstrup	WA	Subiaco	Newtown-Condingup
Orlando	Turner	NT	West Adelaide	South Alice Springs
Jed	Walter	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Nick	Watson	VIC M	Eastern Ranges	East Ringwood
Darcy	Wilson	VIC C	Murray Bushrangers	Wangaratta Rovers

Happy speculating for 2023!

EDIT: 11/12/22 - Added Free Agent status to OOC player list
EDIT: 24/2/23 - Crossed out Tom Green

12

Tom Green

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo!!) & Added 2023 Coates Talent League Fixture Link
EDIT: 27/2/23 - Crossed out Finn Callaghan from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo Hoo!!!)
EDIT: 27/4/23 - Crossed out Jacob Wehr from OOC player list
EDIT: 10/5/23 - Crossed out Jack Buckley from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/7/23 - Crossed out Callum Brown from OOC player list
EDIT: 18/7/23 - Crossed out Lachie Ash from OOC player list
EDIT: 20/7/23 - Crossed out Xavier O'Halloran from OOC player list
EDIT: 3/8/23 - Crossed out Harry Himmelberg from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/8/23 - Crossed out Wade Derksen from OOC player list
EDIT: 17/8/23 - Noted Dan Lloyd retiring at end of season
EDIT: 19/8/23 - Crossed out Jake Riccardi from OOC player list
EDIT: 28/8/23 - Noted Phil Davis

1

Phil Davis

Age

34

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

55.5

1star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

55.5

1star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

retiring at end of season
EDIT: 25/9/23 - Noted Cam Fleeton & Jason Gilbee delisted
EDIT: 4/10/23 - Noted Flynn, Preuss & Keeffe situations
EDIT: 9/10/23 - Updated Flynn to WCE, removed Preuss from OOC player list
EDIT: 12/10/23 - Updated Madden with 2 sources of information
EDIT: 19/10/23 - Updated Keeffe & Hamilton re-signed
EDIT: 31/10/23 - adjusted main list numbers with Adam Kennedy

40

Adam Kennedy

Age

32

Ht

183cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

8.4

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

245.6

4star

D

1.0

1star

K

1.0

1star

HB

0.0

1star

M

0.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

10.0

1star

D

18.6

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.4

4star

delisting (with a view to be re-selected in rookie draft)

 

[Hendo_21]

West Coast will be much better next year. In saying that, I don’t mind it. With the age of our list, by the time next years recruits mature, there will be legitimate spots available.

I still think they're so far off it, they're going to be reliant on inexperienced young players or hoping older injury prone players stay fit. Can't see how they finish outside of the bottom 4.

 

[fridgeman]

Not that it makes much difference but a few options to trade #7

#7 + F2 (Or F3) for WC F1 if they are super keen on Curtin and he is available
#7 + #16 for Crows #10 + #14 (may need a pick upgrade in Giants favour)
#7 for Crows #10 + #20 (Or Crows F2 + F3)
#7 for Saints #13 + F1 (Unlikely as Saints need to keep their top picks)

Not sure if anyone else has the picks this year to make a trade unless a 3 way trade happens

Wasted 5 minutes of my life looking at the options so apologies if i waste 30 seconds of yours reading this

 

[Orange crush]

I still think they're so far off it, they're going to be reliant on inexperienced young players or hoping older injury prone players stay fit. Can't see how they finish outside of the bottom 4.

Definite bottom 2

 

[Hendo_21]

Definite bottom 2

Think there's a decent chance Simpson doesn't see out the year, there were some absolutely disastrous performances last year and the buck has to stop with someone.

 

[Giant Strides]

Think there's a decent chance Simpson doesn't see out the year, there were some absolutely disastrous performances last year and the buck has to stop with someone.

Yeah, but we wouldn't want "sacked/resigned coach bounce".

 

[Giant Pete]

I still think they're so far off it, they're going to be reliant on inexperienced young players or hoping older injury prone players stay fit. Can't see how they finish outside of the bottom 4.

Did you see their injury list?

 

[Hendo_21]

Did you see their injury list?

They're still relying on all the same old players with history of soft tissue injuries, even if they are better that's still going to be a bottom 4 team. They were so far off it last year that even with improvement they're still going to be so bad.

 

[PaythePerryman]

I want dat pick

 

[sydney_gws]

Pick 7 or Eagles 2024r1.

I want dat pick

 

[captainMyCaptain]

Herald Suns/Codesports phantom also has us trading out pick 7 for eagles future first. Then taking Hardeman with our next selection.

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[Giant Pete]

If OSullivan is available at our pick I think we should take him.
He’s a super talent… really good size and amazing tank already. Has great footwork for someone that size.
No go home factor.
Investment for the future… I’d play him forward and have him look to take Jesse’s spot in about 3 years.

 

[Hendo_21]

If OSullivan is available at our pick I think we should take him.
He’s a super talent… really good size and amazing tank already. Has great footwork for someone that size.
No go home factor.
Investment for the future… I’d play him forward and have him look to take Jesse’s spot in about 3 years.

You cannot take him if Curtin is still on the board, would be a complete lack of recognition of how valuable that pick then becomes. If Curtin is there which as of the last 24 hours seems like it's becoming more likely you have to take him or trade it to WC, there's too much value to be extracted from that pick to simply take someone else. Would happily take Curtin and bring him in as long as the off field all checks out, would try him as a mid and give it a real go tbh that's the most intriguing part of his game to me and if it doesn't work out the you can shift him to a KP.

 

[Maximus 2011]

West Coast will be much better next year. In saying that, I don’t mind it. With the age of our list, by the time next years recruits mature, there will be legitimate spots available.

West Coast will still be in the bottom 4 next year. Some very average players getting a game still. Plus some of the veterans getting long in the tooth.

 

[Maximus 2011]

Herald Suns/Codesports phantom also has us trading out pick 7 for eagles future first. Then taking Hardeman with our next selection.

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Man this gets me so exctied! I LOVE A DEATH RIDE!

 

[Hendo_21]

Think an interesting part of getting the WC F1 is the potential possibilities it opens up next year, it very likely gives us a chance to add a premium young talent but also could be traded for an established elite player. If we can put together another deep finals run next year as well as a strong regular season we could be seen as a potentially attractive destination for someone looking to win now and long term. Could trade the WC F1 on it's own or pair it with our 1 our potentially trade back from the top of the draft into more picks, it gives us more flexibility and options going into next year. Top 4 pick + 15~ is an offer that would get you an elite player.

PMBangers what's the draft looking like next year. anyone peaking your interest at year out that would be a good fit if we were to have the WC pick?

 

[PaythePerryman]

Think an interesting part of getting the WC F1 is the potential possibilities it opens up next year, it very likely gives us a chance to add a premium young talent but also could be traded for an established elite player. If we can put together another deep finals run next year as well as a strong regular season we could be seen as a potentially attractive destination for someone looking to win now and long term. Could trade the WC F1 on it's own or pair it with our 1 our potentially trade back from the top of the draft into more picks, it gives us more flexibility and options going into next year. Top 4 pick + 15~ is an offer that would get you an elite player.

PMBangers what's the draft looking like next year. anyone peaking your interest at year out that would be a good fit if we were to have the WC pick?

Agree that it would suit us to be able to bring in an established elite talent for once and a pick like that might be the bait.

I feel like at pick 7(8) ATM there isn't an obvious fit for us. I like Curtin but I'd prefer a top 4 pick next year

 

[Giant Pete]

You cannot take him if Curtin is still on the board, would be a complete lack of recognition of how valuable that pick then becomes. If Curtin is there which as of the last 24 hours seems like it's becoming more likely you have to take him or trade it to WC, there's too much value to be extracted from that pick to simply take someone else. Would happily take Curtin and bring him in as long as the off field all checks out, would try him as a mid and give it a real go tbh that's the most intriguing part of his game to me and if it doesn't work out the you can shift him to a KP.

Yes you can. I like OSullivan over Curtin.

 

[Andre the Giant]

Is there a scenario where West Coast keep pick 1 and Curtin slides to our pick and they offer us 23 and their Future 1st?

From their perspective he’s very highly rated and if they didn’t take Reid they would take him but they just push go now.

For us the players around our pick are pretty unlikely to get a game next year unless there are a few injuries. Their first selection next year could be Pick 1 in what looks a decent draft?

Just spitballing.

Bump - November 5th

Hasn’t happened, but as Lloyd Christmas said to Mary Swanson in Dumb and Dumber

“So you’re telling me there’s a chance”!!

 

[Orange crush]

Bump - November 5th

Hasn’t happened, but as Lloyd Christmas said to Mary Swanson in Dumb and Dumber

“So you’re telling me there’s a chance”!!

Nostrandremus

 

[Hendo_21]

Agree that it would suit us to be able to bring in an established elite talent for once and a pick like that might be the bait.

I feel like at pick 7(8) ATM there isn't an obvious fit for us. I like Curtin but I'd prefer a top 4 pick next year

Yeah agreed, I don't think there's a great fit for us at 7 with who's expected to be on the board, I'm a little bit out on Sanders, Curtin and O'Sullivan both at a position we're pretty good at it, Leake and Windsor might fill roles but they're probably being overdrafted a little bit for the sake of fit. I'd happily take Curtin and role the dice on the elite talent as long as there's no issues off the field with him but also fine with kicking the can down the road and taking advantage of WC being desperate.

 

[PaythePerryman]

Yeah agreed, I don't think there's a great fit for us at 7 with who's expected to be on the board, I'm a little bit out on Sanders, Curtin and O'Sullivan both at a position we're pretty good at it, Leake and Windsor might fill roles but they're probably being overdrafted a little bit for the sake of fit. I'd happily take Curtin and role the dice on the elite talent as long as there's no issues off the field with him but also fine with kicking the can down the road and taking advantage of WC being desperate.

Couldn't have said it better.
Take Curtin or trade him for F1.
Not as much fun for this year but hey....I guess I'll watch WCE games

 

[Orange crush]

If Hopper nets us a no 1 pick we should send him a Xmas basket

 

[Crow till I die]

Herald Suns/Codesports phantom also has us trading out pick 7 for eagles future first. Then taking Hardeman with our next selection.

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Sorry for the intrusion but imagine turning the hopper trade into 2024 pick 1. GWS record for trading for picks that gain value is almost unprecedented.

Was hoping the crows might get in on a pick trade with you guys but if WCE are genuinely putting their f1 up...we go no chance

 

[Giant Strides]

Was hoping the crows might get in on a pick trade with you guys but if WCE are genuinely putting their f1 up...we go no chance

Depends on what deal WCE want to do. If they take the view that they are trading 2024 pick #1, and try to bleed us accordingly, then we might not do it. If they take the more realistic view that they'll improve next year, and that they get the added benefit of a WA local one year early, such that it's approx #3 to 4 (with early/local benefits) for #7, then OK.

 

[dlanod]

Depends on what deal WCE want to do. If they take the view that they are trading 2024 pick #1, and try to bleed us accordingly, then we might not do it. If they take the more realistic view that they'll improve next year, and that they get the added benefit of a WA local one year early, such that it's approx #3 to 4 (with early/local benefits) for #7, then OK.

If WCE viewed their future pick as #1, they wouldn't be trading it at all.

However we've seen many clubs overrate their prospects when trading future picks...