List Mgmt. 2023 GWS Giants List Management - Academy, Free Agent, Trade, Draft

[Giant Strides]

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Here's the list of GWS players who are out of contract in 2023 (I'll progressively cross them out as they re-sign):

• Lachie ASH
• Callan WARD (Free Agent)
• Brayden PREUSS
• Tom GREEN
• Finn CALLAGHAN
• Lachlan KEEFFE (Free Agent)
• Jake RICCARDI
• Harry HIMMELBERG (Free Agent)
• Cam FLEETON - delisted (25/9/23)
• Matt FLYNN (Free Agent) - signed by West Coast as an Unrestricted Free Agent
• Xavier O'HALLORAN
• Jack BUCKLEY
• Callum BROWN

Rookie lists:

• Phil DAVIS (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Jacob WEHR (Free agent)
• Dan LLOYD (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Cooper HAMILTON
• Wade DERKSEN
• Nick MADDEN (Cat B) - assumed re-signed due to 2 sources of info
• Jason GILBEE (Cat B) - delisted (25/9/23)

Current list sizes (for when we get to list/draft/trade speculation):

• main list = 36 minus 3 (Fleeton, Flynn + Kennedy delisted with a view to be re-selected in the rookie draft)
• rookie A = 6 minus 2 (Davis, Lloyd)
• rookie B = 2 minus 1 (Gilbee)
• total = 44 minus 5

This is the future pick spreadsheet that comes into play only at trade time, as future picks are used in end of season (2023) trading:


Here's the 2023 AFL Academy Squad, so these (roughly) represent the best players for next year as they stand now:

2023 NAB AFL ACADEMY​

NAME	SURNAME	STATE	STATE LEAGUE CLUB	COMMUNITY CLUB
Lachlan	Cabor	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Shellharbour
Nate	Caddy	VIC M	Northern Knights	Yarrambat
Jack	Callinan	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Clarence
Caiden	Cleary	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Sydney University
Daniel	Curtin	WA	Claremont	West Coast
Jack	Delean	SA	South Adelaide	Reynella
Zane	Duursma	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Foster
Mitchell	Edwards	WA	Peel Thunder	South Mandurah
William	Green	VIC M	Northern Knights	Northcote
Riley	Hardeman	WA	Swan Districts	Caversham
William	Lorenz	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Boroondara Hawks
Kane	McAuliffe	SA	North Adelaide	Central Augusta
Colby	McKercher	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Launceston
Ashton	Moir	SA	Glenelg	Plympton
Connor	O'Sullivan	NSW/ACT	Murray Bushrangers	Albury
William	Patton	SA	West Adelaide	Mitcham
Nathan	Philactides	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Blackburn
Ethan	Read	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Archer	Reid	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Inverloch-Kongwak
Harley	Reid	VIC C	Bendigo Pioneers	Tongala
Archie	Roberts	VIC M	Sandringham Dragons	Hampton Rovers
Jake	Rogers	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Broadbeach
Ryley	Sanders	TAS	Sandringham Dragons	North Launceston
Cooper	Simpson	VIC C	Dandenong Stingrays	Mount Martha
George	Stevens	VIC C	GWV Rebels	South Warrnambool
Koltyn	Tholstrup	WA	Subiaco	Newtown-Condingup
Orlando	Turner	NT	West Adelaide	South Alice Springs
Jed	Walter	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Nick	Watson	VIC M	Eastern Ranges	East Ringwood
Darcy	Wilson	VIC C	Murray Bushrangers	Wangaratta Rovers

Happy speculating for 2023!

EDIT: 11/12/22 - Added Free Agent status to OOC player list
EDIT: 24/2/23 - Crossed out Tom Green

12

Tom Green

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo!!) & Added 2023 Coates Talent League Fixture Link
EDIT: 27/2/23 - Crossed out Finn Callaghan from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo Hoo!!!)
EDIT: 27/4/23 - Crossed out Jacob Wehr from OOC player list
EDIT: 10/5/23 - Crossed out Jack Buckley from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/7/23 - Crossed out Callum Brown from OOC player list
EDIT: 18/7/23 - Crossed out Lachie Ash from OOC player list
EDIT: 20/7/23 - Crossed out Xavier O'Halloran from OOC player list
EDIT: 3/8/23 - Crossed out Harry Himmelberg from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/8/23 - Crossed out Wade Derksen from OOC player list
EDIT: 17/8/23 - Noted Dan Lloyd retiring at end of season
EDIT: 19/8/23 - Crossed out Jake Riccardi from OOC player list
EDIT: 28/8/23 - Noted Phil Davis

1

Phil Davis

Age

34

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

55.5

1star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

55.5

1star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

retiring at end of season
EDIT: 25/9/23 - Noted Cam Fleeton & Jason Gilbee delisted
EDIT: 4/10/23 - Noted Flynn, Preuss & Keeffe situations
EDIT: 9/10/23 - Updated Flynn to WCE, removed Preuss from OOC player list
EDIT: 12/10/23 - Updated Madden with 2 sources of information
EDIT: 19/10/23 - Updated Keeffe & Hamilton re-signed
EDIT: 31/10/23 - adjusted main list numbers with Adam Kennedy

40

Adam Kennedy

Age

32

Ht

183cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

8.4

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

245.6

4star

D

1.0

1star

K

1.0

1star

HB

0.0

1star

M

0.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

10.0

1star

D

18.6

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.4

4star

delisting (with a view to be re-selected in rookie draft)

 

[captainMyCaptain]

 

[Maximus 2011]

Ladies and gents we had the absolute privilege in hosting PMBangers Tuesday night on our podcast to discuss all things GWS, draft, 187cm, best picks, etc etc. Give it a listen

 

[captainMyCaptain]

GWS tend to make a call late on who they will take, but rival clubs are finding it difficult to get a read on them. Would they take Dan Curtin if he slides that far, considering their strong key defensive stocks? They have shown interest in hulking forward Nate Caddy, and he certainly would add some extra excitement to their forward mix. As would Tasmanian swingman James Leake, who like Caddy has plenty of power and can also be used down back. Flashy wingman Caleb Windsor could also be the mix at their first choice. The Giants have shown strong interest in speedy utility Harry DeMattia and Sandringham Dragons bolter Charlie Edwards, and both are in contention for their second selection. They have also been linked to Western Bulldogs academy defender Luamon Lual – would pick 16 be too early? We know the Giants haven’t been afraid to pull a surprise before. Koltyn Tholstrup is one who can give their forward 50 some spark, but he could be off the board by then. Giants Academy product Harvey Thomas may receive a bid later in the draft, with Fremantle understood to be a possible threat. The Giants also have access to rangy key forward Charlie McCormack, who they could add as a Category B rookie if he doesn’t receive a bid.

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[Giant Strides]

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[Hendo_21]

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Think you just take Curtin if he's there and figure everything else out later unless the go home factor is a real issue with him, don't think I've seen anything to suggest it will be. Would try him up forward first to try and pair with Cadman long term as a tall marking target that could compliment his skill set really well.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

 

[GWS Goose]

Where is Cal Twomey's phantom.

He normally has very good intel.

Perhaps the clubs have played their hand closer to their chest than normal

 

[Giant Strides]

Think you just take Curtin if he's there and figure everything else out later unless the go home factor is a real issue with him, don't think I've seen anything to suggest it will be. Would try him up forward first to try and pair with Cadman long term as a tall marking target that could compliment his skill set really well.

I agree if Curtin is there, you'd take him as "best available". Forward was his least successful role at U18, but yeah, I'd happily give him a run and see what he could do up front. Possibly not a major goalkicker ... but then again, neither is Keeffe.

We could also try him on a wing, to make use of his height and kicking ability. That's probably the position that is most open to someone coming in and taking an opportunity.

Similar to if we got O'Sullivan, there's not really a spot available in defence unless there are injuries, and he seems not really a "pure KPD" but more of a Lizard-type player (who can absolutely crack a game open!), but I would think we wouldn't want to put him through a lengthy VFL apprenticeship for a role in defence.

Where is Cal Twomey's phantom.

He normally has very good intel.

Perhaps the clubs have played their hand closer to their chest than normal

Cal is often very late with his Phantom as he wrings every scrap of intel from the clubs, but ... yeah, don't mind if he actually isn't in the know for once!

 

[dlanod]

Where is Cal Twomey's phantom.

He normally has very good intel.

Perhaps the clubs have played their hand closer to their chest than normal

Sometimes he'll throw up early drafts, but often he only locks it in the day before.

 

[PaythePerryman]

A LOT of talk about us trading our picks...dunno if that's the usual optimism or just makes sense if we like Leake/Windsor

 

[captainMyCaptain]

 

[Orange crush]

What would that take …. Pick 7 and next years 1st for eagels F1? Seems light

 

[Hendo_21]

If the WC F1 is on the table for 7 then I probably do that, that's pretty much locked in to be a top 3 pick next year because they're going to be terrible again I imagine especially if they're more focused on playing on younger players. Might be some other stuff included with 7 but if that's the crux of the deal I don't think I'd pass that up.

 

[Hendo_21]

From the Age

The other option at this pick is the Demons drafting highly rated Eastern Ranges winger Caleb Windsor, who would also be strongly considered at the next selection, which the Giants own.

However, there is also a big watch on GWS, who are another possible suitor for the Eagles’ 2024 first-rounder, assuming Melbourne pass on Curtin. The Giants may also weigh up taking Curtin, although they are most commonly linked to Tasmanian James Leake and Caddy. O’Sullivan or Darcy Wilson are other possibilities.

There is also a chance GWS and Adelaide switch their first picks, given Leake is likely to still be up for grabs at the Crows’ selection.

GWS also like DeMattia, Edwards and Hawthorn’s Next Generation Academy prospect Tew Jiath, who they have spoken to a few times.

Early mail mock draft​

1. Harley Reid (West Coast)
2. Colby McKercher (North Melbourne)
3. Jed Walter (Gold Coast - matching North Melbourne bid)
4. Zane Duursma (North Melbourne)
5. Nick Watson (Hawthorn)
6. Ryley Sanders (Western Bulldogs)
7. Caleb Windsor (Melbourne)
8. James Leake (GWS)
9. Ethan Read (Gold Coast - matching Geelong bid)
10. Daniel Curtin (Geelong)
11. Nate Caddy (Essendon)
12. Connor O’Sullivan (Adelaide)
13. Koltyn Tholstrup (Melbourne)
14. Jake Rogers (Gold Coast - matching Sydney bid)
15. Jordan Croft (Western Bulldogs - matching Sydney bid)
16. Will Green (Sydney)
17. Darcy Wilson (St Kilda)
18. Will McCabe (Hawthorn - matching Adelaide bid)
19. Charlie Edwards (Adelaide)
20. Harry DeMattia (North Melbourne)
21. Tew Jiath (GWS)
22. Taylor Goad (North Melbourne)
23. Wil Dawson (North Melbourne)
24. Will Graham (Gold Coast - matching Collingwood bid)
25. Caiden Cleary (Sydney - matching Collingwood bid)
26. Lance Collard (Collingwood)
27. Angus Hastie (Adelaide)
28. Arie Schoenmaker (St Kilda)
29. Ashton Moir (Carlton)

END OF ARTICLE CLIP

If Curtin is on the board you can't just let him keep falling imo either take him as best available or trade the pick and move back/out for good value, taking Leake at 8 over Caddy and Curtin just feels like you're misvaluing your pick and not taking full advantage of it.

 

[PaythePerryman]

If Curtin is there and we don't want him we have to trade. I don't think we need to give up much more than 7 as we are essentially trading the player not the pick...if they rate him as a top 3 pick them they are just getting ahead of schedule.
Love it.

 

[Hendo_21]

If Curtin is there and we don't want him we have to trade. I don't think we need to give up much more than 7 as we are essentially trading the player not the pick...if they rate him as a top 3 pick them they are just getting ahead of schedule.
Love it.

For sure, wouldn't be adding much more than a F3 or a middling to late pick

 

[Giant Strides]

So, basically they're saying ... they think GWS could take any of half a dozen players who will be available at our pick, or trade back a couple, or trade into next year.

They've literally thrown 20 darts at the dart board and whichever proves to have landed they'll exclaim "we hit it".

 

[PaythePerryman]

Anyone got that Code article about our youth?

 

[sydney_gws]

So, basically they're saying ... they think GWS could take any of half a dozen players who will be available at our pick, or trade back a couple, or trade into next year.

They've literally thrown 20 darts at the dart board and whichever proves to have landed they'll exclaim "we hit it".

It could be we trade with say essendon,
7,2024r2 for 9,2024r1.
Or West Coast,
7,2024r2,2024r3 for 2024r1,23.

 

[Giant Pete]

I’m not sure about Leake. Can’t see where he gets a game in the next few years.

 

[GWS Goose]

if curtin is on the board and we just pick Leake or Windsor I'd be very disappointed.
They may go onto to be great players, but swaying so far from the consensus so early in the draft is a risk.

 

[Giant Strides]

 

[Giant Strides]

https://archive.md/x4qkJ

Remarkably, Curtin could slide past Hawthorn (No.4) and Melbourne (No.6). That would leave Curtin available for Greater Western Sydney at No.7, and that is where the Eagles are expected to make their move.

Should the Eagles offer up their future first-round pick for No.7 it would be a dilemma for the Giants, but ultimately an offer that rivals expect would be impossible to knock back.

The Giants would still hold a first-round pick (No.16) and trading for the Eagles’ future first could potentially deliver them the No.1 pick in next year’s draft. They are not desperate for a key defender like Curtin, given they already have a brilliant backline led by All-Australian Sam Taylor

15

Sam Taylor

Age

25

Ht

198cm

Wt

95kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.0

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

5.4

4star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.1

4star

MG

130.5

2star

D

8.0

2star

K

2.5

1star

HB

5.5

3star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.5

3star

MG

60.8

1star

D

8.6

3star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.6

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

2.8

5star

MG

110.8

2star

. Should the embattled Eagles again finish last next season it would mean that they have effectively traded away the No.1 pick in the 2024 draft for Curtin.

But GWS Giants would also consider whether the Eagles could bounce up the ladder next season with a fitter list and 12 games at Perth Stadium.

Curtin, a 197cm left-footer, is also highly-rated by the Hawks, who need key defenders, and the Demons, who are starting to plan for life after Steven May

1

Steven May

Age

32

Ht

193cm

Wt

101kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.7

4star

K

10.5

4star

HB

4.2

3star

M

5.1

5star

T

1.5

3star

MG

307.3

4star

D

15.5

4star

K

12.1

5star

HB

3.4

2star

M

3.4

3star

T

0.5

1star

MG

378.4

5star

D

12.4

4star

K

8.8

4star

HB

3.6

3star

M

3.2

4star

T

1.8

4star

. But recruiting sources believe the Hawks have zeroed in on Cyril Rioli-like small forward Nick ‘The Wizard’ Watson for their selection. The Demons have been dazzled by draft bolter Caleb Windsor, a blistering outside midfielder who kicks goals and would immediately help polish the club’s forward connection issues. The Demons know they would have to pounce on Windsor at No.6 because GWS would otherwise secure him at pick seven. Geelong like Nate Caddy at pick eight and Essendon is keen on defender Connor O’Sullivan at nine.

 

[Hendo_21]

https://archive.md/x4qkJ

Remarkably, Curtin could slide past Hawthorn (No.4) and Melbourne (No.6). That would leave Curtin available for Greater Western Sydney at No.7, and that is where the Eagles are expected to make their move.

Should the Eagles offer up their future first-round pick for No.7 it would be a dilemma for the Giants, but ultimately an offer that rivals expect would be impossible to knock back.

The Giants would still hold a first-round pick (No.16) and trading for the Eagles’ future first could potentially deliver them the No.1 pick in next year’s draft. They are not desperate for a key defender like Curtin, given they already have a brilliant backline led by All-Australian Sam Taylor. Should the embattled Eagles again finish last next season it would mean that they have effectively traded away the No.1 pick in the 2024 draft for Curtin.

But GWS Giants would also consider whether the Eagles could bounce up the ladder next season with a fitter list and 12 games at Perth Stadium.

Curtin, a 197cm left-footer, is also highly-rated by the Hawks, who need key defenders, and the Demons, who are starting to plan for life after Steven May. But recruiting sources believe the Hawks have zeroed in on Cyril Rioli-like small forward Nick ‘The Wizard’ Watson for their selection. The Demons have been dazzled by draft bolter Caleb Windsor, a blistering outside midfielder who kicks goals and would immediately help polish the club’s forward connection issues. The Demons know they would have to pounce on Windsor at No.6 because GWS would otherwise secure him at pick seven. Geelong like Nate Caddy at pick eight and Essendon is keen on defender Connor O’Sullivan at nine.

Hopefully someone falls through to 16 and we still land someone quality but if West Coast F1 is on the table then I think you do that. Tholstrup wouldn't be surprising at 16 if he's still there been linked to him quite a bit, has all the traits of the match winning forward half players that can go through that midfield that everyone is looking for. De Mattia also would make sense since we've been linked to him a bit but he has heaps of speed, damaging kicker, think it works in his favour that he's played numerous positions as a junior shows his versatility but also means there's meat on the bone once he locks down one.

 

[Giant Pete]

Hopefully someone falls through to 16 and we still land someone quality but if West Coast F1 is on the table then I think you do that. Tholstrup wouldn't be surprising at 16 if he's still there been linked to him quite a bit, has all the traits of the match winning forward half players that can go through that midfield that everyone is looking for.

West Coast will be much better next year. In saying that, I don’t mind it. With the age of our list, by the time next years recruits mature, there will be legitimate spots available.