List Mgmt. 2023 GWS Giants List Management - Academy, Free Agent, Trade, Draft

[Giant Strides]

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Here's the list of GWS players who are out of contract in 2023 (I'll progressively cross them out as they re-sign):

• Lachie ASH
• Callan WARD (Free Agent)
• Brayden PREUSS
• Tom GREEN
• Finn CALLAGHAN
• Lachlan KEEFFE (Free Agent)
• Jake RICCARDI
• Harry HIMMELBERG (Free Agent)
• Cam FLEETON - delisted (25/9/23)
• Matt FLYNN (Free Agent) - signed by West Coast as an Unrestricted Free Agent
• Xavier O'HALLORAN
• Jack BUCKLEY
• Callum BROWN

Rookie lists:

• Phil DAVIS (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Jacob WEHR (Free agent)
• Dan LLOYD (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Cooper HAMILTON
• Wade DERKSEN
• Nick MADDEN (Cat B) - assumed re-signed due to 2 sources of info
• Jason GILBEE (Cat B) - delisted (25/9/23)

Current list sizes (for when we get to list/draft/trade speculation):

• main list = 36 minus 3 (Fleeton, Flynn + Kennedy delisted with a view to be re-selected in the rookie draft)
• rookie A = 6 minus 2 (Davis, Lloyd)
• rookie B = 2 minus 1 (Gilbee)
• total = 44 minus 5

This is the future pick spreadsheet that comes into play only at trade time, as future picks are used in end of season (2023) trading:


Here's the 2023 AFL Academy Squad, so these (roughly) represent the best players for next year as they stand now:

2023 NAB AFL ACADEMY​

NAME	SURNAME	STATE	STATE LEAGUE CLUB	COMMUNITY CLUB
Lachlan	Cabor	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Shellharbour
Nate	Caddy	VIC M	Northern Knights	Yarrambat
Jack	Callinan	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Clarence
Caiden	Cleary	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Sydney University
Daniel	Curtin	WA	Claremont	West Coast
Jack	Delean	SA	South Adelaide	Reynella
Zane	Duursma	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Foster
Mitchell	Edwards	WA	Peel Thunder	South Mandurah
William	Green	VIC M	Northern Knights	Northcote
Riley	Hardeman	WA	Swan Districts	Caversham
William	Lorenz	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Boroondara Hawks
Kane	McAuliffe	SA	North Adelaide	Central Augusta
Colby	McKercher	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Launceston
Ashton	Moir	SA	Glenelg	Plympton
Connor	O'Sullivan	NSW/ACT	Murray Bushrangers	Albury
William	Patton	SA	West Adelaide	Mitcham
Nathan	Philactides	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Blackburn
Ethan	Read	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Archer	Reid	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Inverloch-Kongwak
Harley	Reid	VIC C	Bendigo Pioneers	Tongala
Archie	Roberts	VIC M	Sandringham Dragons	Hampton Rovers
Jake	Rogers	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Broadbeach
Ryley	Sanders	TAS	Sandringham Dragons	North Launceston
Cooper	Simpson	VIC C	Dandenong Stingrays	Mount Martha
George	Stevens	VIC C	GWV Rebels	South Warrnambool
Koltyn	Tholstrup	WA	Subiaco	Newtown-Condingup
Orlando	Turner	NT	West Adelaide	South Alice Springs
Jed	Walter	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Nick	Watson	VIC M	Eastern Ranges	East Ringwood
Darcy	Wilson	VIC C	Murray Bushrangers	Wangaratta Rovers

Happy speculating for 2023!

EDIT: 11/12/22 - Added Free Agent status to OOC player list
EDIT: 24/2/23 - Crossed out Tom Green

12

Tom Green

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo!!) & Added 2023 Coates Talent League Fixture Link
EDIT: 27/2/23 - Crossed out Finn Callaghan from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo Hoo!!!)
EDIT: 27/4/23 - Crossed out Jacob Wehr from OOC player list
EDIT: 10/5/23 - Crossed out Jack Buckley from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/7/23 - Crossed out Callum Brown from OOC player list
EDIT: 18/7/23 - Crossed out Lachie Ash from OOC player list
EDIT: 20/7/23 - Crossed out Xavier O'Halloran from OOC player list
EDIT: 3/8/23 - Crossed out Harry Himmelberg from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/8/23 - Crossed out Wade Derksen from OOC player list
EDIT: 17/8/23 - Noted Dan Lloyd retiring at end of season
EDIT: 19/8/23 - Crossed out Jake Riccardi from OOC player list
EDIT: 28/8/23 - Noted Phil Davis

1

Phil Davis

Age

34

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

55.5

1star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

55.5

1star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

retiring at end of season
EDIT: 25/9/23 - Noted Cam Fleeton & Jason Gilbee delisted
EDIT: 4/10/23 - Noted Flynn, Preuss & Keeffe situations
EDIT: 9/10/23 - Updated Flynn to WCE, removed Preuss from OOC player list
EDIT: 12/10/23 - Updated Madden with 2 sources of information
EDIT: 19/10/23 - Updated Keeffe & Hamilton re-signed
EDIT: 31/10/23 - adjusted main list numbers with Adam Kennedy

40

Adam Kennedy

Age

32

Ht

183cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

8.4

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

245.6

4star

D

1.0

1star

K

1.0

1star

HB

0.0

1star

M

0.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

10.0

1star

D

18.6

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.4

4star

delisting (with a view to be re-selected in rookie draft)

 

[Andre the Giant]

Personally, I don’t think WCE first rounder is enough, I think they also need to give us 23 this year for our pick 43. This is a fairer trade as we are risking a year of development and we still need players this year. WCE have been strongly considering trading Pick 1 to get this player so they covet him.

For us to drop from 8 to high 20’s and get a first rounder is a sensible speculative trade, however pick 8 this year is a valuable pick and it’s high so we have to consider if they did have a better than expected year we would give away too much with a straight swap.

 

[captainMyCaptain]

The Fox sports phantom also has us trading pick 7 to the eagles. But then has us selecting Demattia with our next selection.

AFL phantom draft 2023: Every first round pick and bid predicted in Fox Footy mock draft

Every pick, trade and who your club’s keen on as huge first round looms: AFL Phantom Draft

www.foxsports.com.au

 

[dkalphy]

Guys there is no way we dont finish last or second last next year, after have 7 +100 point losses. Would be pick 1 or 2 but norf, hawks etc are all better than us. Pre confident it will be pick 1

 

[Hendo_21]

The Fox sports phantom also has us trading pick 7 to the eagles. But then has us selecting Demattia with our next selection.

AFL phantom draft 2023: Every first round pick and bid predicted in Fox Footy mock draft

Every pick, trade and who your club’s keen on as huge first round looms: AFL Phantom Draft

www.foxsports.com.au

Would be a fan, he'd be one of if not my top target in that range barring anyone totally unexpected being avaliable. Played in a few different roles but has tools of a modern midfielder, speed and explosiveness, can really kick of the footy and goes both ways. Think settling in a role will be big for him if it doesn't work out as an inside mid, then his skills still translate well to other roles like as an outside mid or off halff back. Think there's multiple avenues for him to have an impact. Would love Tholstrup in this spot as well but it seems like he might be gone by then.

 

[PaythePerryman]

Guys there is no way we dont finish last or second last next year, after have 7 +100 point losses. Would be pick 1 or 2 but norf, hawks etc are all better than us. Pre confident it will be pick 1

Beat us last year so we know you can put it together over in Perth. But yes...I think you guys will be happy taking Curtin for that pick. Makes sense.
That'll be the trade though...nothing more required

 

[Giant Pete]

Cal Twomey has us taking James Leake with our first pick. I don’t really get it if we do take him. He’s not exceptional at any position. Good overhead for his size…

 

[Giant Pete]

Cal Twomey has us taking James Leake with our first pick. I don’t really get it if we do take him. He’s not exceptional at any position. Good overhead for his size…

Seems like the kind of guy you could get with a pick 20.

 

[Giant Strides]

Yep, if we're going to take Leake, may as well trade with Adelaide ... get the guy and an extra pick.

 

[PaythePerryman]

Yep, if we're going to take Leake, may as well trade with Adelaide ... get the guy and an extra pick.

Doesn't feel like factored in trades coz guessing that is too hard. Still baffled that we would take Leake at 7 instead of Caddy or O'Sullivan

 

[Giant Strides]

Doesn't feel like factored in trades coz guessing that is too hard. Still baffled that we would take Leake at 7 instead of Caddy or O'Sullivan

Yep, same same.

As I've said before, I'm more bullish on COS than Caddy, but I rate both higher than Leake. Not to say that Leake couldn't be the brighter star at the end of everyone's career (every draftee is just potential at this point), but given how the clubs rate the kids now (presuming the intel is correct), we could definitely trade down to grab him. Probably no further back than Adelaide's pick, but potentially pick up #20 into the bargain, or a 2024 first round pick.

 

[Hendo_21]

Yeah Leake at 7 doesn't do it for me either, get it a bit more if you move back with Adelaide and pick up an extra pick but even then still seems too early, wouldn't be passing up on Caddy if Curtin is out of the equation.

 

[Andre the Giant]

I think we need to back the recruiters in. Caruso places a lot of emphasis on data, which is blind to popular bias, he’s been pretty adept at extracting talent.

As much as vision can tell part of a story ultimately it’s some snippets and only a glimpse.

My preference is to trade out and get a future 1st if we can with WCE but failing that just get one of those blokes talked about, it seems all the clubs have identified the same people.

 

[Giant Pete]

I think we need to back the recruiters in. Caruso places a lot of emphasis on data, which is blind to popular bias, he’s been pretty adept at extracting talent.

As much as vision can tell part of a story ultimately it’s some snippets and only a glimpse.

My preference is to trade out and get a future 1st if we can with WCE but failing that just get one of those blokes talked about, it seems all the clubs have identified the same people.

I reckon they also place a lot of value on the character and resilience of a potential recruit, which I really like.

 

[Giant Pete]

Been watching more footage of Leake… funnily enough he’s pretty similar to Callan Ward

8

Callan Ward

Age

34

Ht

187cm

Wt

83kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

22.8

5star

K

11.2

4star

HB

11.5

5star

M

3.8

4star

T

4.3

5star

CL

5.4

5star

D

17.8

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

8.8

4star

M

2.3

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

3.3

4star

D

10.0

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

5.6

4star

M

3.0

3star

T

1.8

4star

.

 

[Orange crush]

Been watching more footage of Leake… funnily enough he’s pretty similar to Callan Ward.

Who wouldn’t like a new Callan Ward

 

[PMBangers]

Think an interesting part of getting the WC F1 is the potential possibilities it opens up next year, it very likely gives us a chance to add a premium young talent but also could be traded for an established elite player. If we can put together another deep finals run next year as well as a strong regular season we could be seen as a potentially attractive destination for someone looking to win now and long term. Could trade the WC F1 on it's own or pair it with our 1 our potentially trade back from the top of the draft into more picks, it gives us more flexibility and options going into next year. Top 4 pick + 15~ is an offer that would get you an elite player.

PMBangers what's the draft looking like next year. anyone peaking your interest at year out that would be a good fit if we were to have the WC pick?

Very good for midfielders, the top 3 right now of Finn O'Sullivan, Jagga Smith and Sid Draper would all be strong additions to our onball brigade.

 

[PMBangers]

He’s not exceptional at any position

That's an astoundingly bad take, best general defender in a draft stacked with them, top 3 general forward prospect and then who knows where he would've ended up being in the order had he played more midfield

 

[sydney_gws]

That's an astoundingly bad take, best general defender in a draft stacked with them, top 3 general forward prospect and then who knows where he would've ended up being in the order had he played more midfield

PMBangers
What do you think we do. Do we trade with West coast, or somebody else.
Maybe we can do a 3 way trade,
Where we lose 7,16,2024r1 and get eagles 2024r1, 10,20.

 

[PMBangers]

PMBangers
What do you think we do. Do we trade with West coast, or somebody else.
Maybe we can do a 3 way trade,
Where we lose 7,16,2024r1 and get eagles 2024r1, 10,20.

I don't see Adelaide getting involved in a trade that doesn't net them a higher Pick this year, there's not going to be a best of both worlds scenario for us. We either trade it into next year, trade back this year or take the pick, personally I'd take the Eagles Future Round 1 and run

 

[sydney_gws]

I don't see Adelaide getting involved in a trade that doesn't net them a higher Pick this year, there's not going to be a best of both worlds scenario for us. We either trade it into next year, trade back this year or take the pick, personally I'd take the Eagles Future Round 1 and run

Will it be a straight swap, or will we have to chuck in 2024r2 or r3.

 

[PMBangers]

Will it be a straight swap, or will we have to chuck in 2024r2 or r3.

I'll throw myself through a glass pane if we added anything to the deal lol

 

[Giant Strides]

Finalised draft picks/order according to afl.com (AFL Draft - AFL.com.au) - 87 picks all up (1-87 order is in the story):

Your club's draft picks ahead of the 2023 AFL Draft​

Adelaide: 10, 14, 20
Brisbane: 30, 39, 51, 54, 65
Carlton: 22, 28, 68
Collingwood: 19, 33, 72, 80, 84
Essendon: 9, 31, 35
Fremantle: 34, 46, 60, 63, 74
Geelong: 8, 25, 70, 75, 79, 81, 85
Gold Coast: 24, 26, 27, 32, 36, 38
Greater Western Sydney: 7, 16, 43, 59, 71
Hawthorn: 4, 44, 47, 49, 61, 62
Melbourne: 6, 11, 42, 78
North Melbourne: 2, 3, 15, 17, 18, 57
Port Adelaide: 69, 83, 87
Richmond: 29, 41, 64, 66
St Kilda: 13, 21, 40, 77, 82, 86
Sydney: 12, 45, 55, 76
West Coast: 1, 23, 37, 58, 73
Western Bulldogs: 5, 48, 50, 52, 53, 56, 67

 

[Giant Pete]

That's an astoundingly bad take, best general defender in a draft stacked with them, top 3 general forward prospect and then who knows where he would've ended up being in the order had he played more midfield

Bit dramatic.

 

[Hendo_21]

Leake wouldn't be my pick at 7 but he's still a really quality prospect, see him as a forward at the next level and think he can really damaging. His marking is so good that it creates a real mismatch because if flankers and small are put on him he's going to be able to beat them 1v1 and in the air but then also still has crumbing ability at ground level. Could be some scope for him to move up the ground a bit as well as a midfielder but that's more projection at this stage I think considering the small sample size although there were some flashes. As a half forward kicking back i50 think he's got a nice kick and is a sound decision maker which is always important in the front half. Wouldn't be my pick but don't sell him short he's a good prospect and it doesn't seem like we're the only club looking at him in that range.

 

[Hendo_21]

AFL phantom draft 2023: Every first round pick and bid predicted in Fox Footy mock draft

Every pick, trade and who your club’s keen on as huge first round looms: AFL Phantom Draft

www.foxsports.com.au

Updated Fox mock draft still has us trading out of 7 and picking Dematti with our next pick