List Mgmt. 2023 GWS Giants List Management - Academy, Free Agent, Trade, Draft

[Giant Strides]

Trade Period, October 6–18

• Restricted & Unrestricted Free Agency Period: Friday, October 6, 9am – Friday October 13, 5pm (bid matching ends Monday October 16, 5pm)
• Trade Period (1), picks & players: Monday, October 9, 9am – Wednesday October 18, 7.30pm

Quiet Period, October 19–November 20

• Trade Period (2), picks only: Monday, October 23, 9am – Friday November 10, 5pm
• List Lodgement 1*: Tuesday, October 31, 2pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (1): Wednesday, November 1, 9am – Wednesday November 8, 5pm
• Delisted Free Agency Period (2): Friday, November 10, 9am–5pm
• List Lodgement 2*: Tuesday, November 14, 2pm

Here's the list of GWS players who are out of contract in 2023 (I'll progressively cross them out as they re-sign):

• Lachie ASH
• Callan WARD (Free Agent)
• Brayden PREUSS
• Tom GREEN
• Finn CALLAGHAN
• Lachlan KEEFFE (Free Agent)
• Jake RICCARDI
• Harry HIMMELBERG (Free Agent)
• Cam FLEETON - delisted (25/9/23)
• Matt FLYNN (Free Agent) - signed by West Coast as an Unrestricted Free Agent
• Xavier O'HALLORAN
• Jack BUCKLEY
• Callum BROWN

Rookie lists:

• Phil DAVIS (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Jacob WEHR (Free agent)
• Dan LLOYD (Free Agent) - retiring at end of 2023 season
• Cooper HAMILTON
• Wade DERKSEN
• Nick MADDEN (Cat B) - assumed re-signed due to 2 sources of info
• Jason GILBEE (Cat B) - delisted (25/9/23)

Current list sizes (for when we get to list/draft/trade speculation):

• main list = 36 minus 3 (Fleeton, Flynn + Kennedy delisted with a view to be re-selected in the rookie draft)
• rookie A = 6 minus 2 (Davis, Lloyd)
• rookie B = 2 minus 1 (Gilbee)
• total = 44 minus 5

This is the future pick spreadsheet that comes into play only at trade time, as future picks are used in end of season (2023) trading:


Here's the 2023 AFL Academy Squad, so these (roughly) represent the best players for next year as they stand now:

2023 NAB AFL ACADEMY​

NAME	SURNAME	STATE	STATE LEAGUE CLUB	COMMUNITY CLUB
Lachlan	Cabor	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Shellharbour
Nate	Caddy	VIC M	Northern Knights	Yarrambat
Jack	Callinan	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Clarence
Caiden	Cleary	NSW/ACT	Sydney Swans Academy	Sydney University
Daniel	Curtin	WA	Claremont	West Coast
Jack	Delean	SA	South Adelaide	Reynella
Zane	Duursma	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Foster
Mitchell	Edwards	WA	Peel Thunder	South Mandurah
William	Green	VIC M	Northern Knights	Northcote
Riley	Hardeman	WA	Swan Districts	Caversham
William	Lorenz	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Boroondara Hawks
Kane	McAuliffe	SA	North Adelaide	Central Augusta
Colby	McKercher	TAS	Tasmania Devils	Launceston
Ashton	Moir	SA	Glenelg	Plympton
Connor	O'Sullivan	NSW/ACT	Murray Bushrangers	Albury
William	Patton	SA	West Adelaide	Mitcham
Nathan	Philactides	VIC M	Oakleigh Chargers	Blackburn
Ethan	Read	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Archer	Reid	VIC C	Gippsland Power	Inverloch-Kongwak
Harley	Reid	VIC C	Bendigo Pioneers	Tongala
Archie	Roberts	VIC M	Sandringham Dragons	Hampton Rovers
Jake	Rogers	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Broadbeach
Ryley	Sanders	TAS	Sandringham Dragons	North Launceston
Cooper	Simpson	VIC C	Dandenong Stingrays	Mount Martha
George	Stevens	VIC C	GWV Rebels	South Warrnambool
Koltyn	Tholstrup	WA	Subiaco	Newtown-Condingup
Orlando	Turner	NT	West Adelaide	South Alice Springs
Jed	Walter	QLD	Gold Coast Suns Academy	Palm Beach Currumbin
Nick	Watson	VIC M	Eastern Ranges	East Ringwood
Darcy	Wilson	VIC C	Murray Bushrangers	Wangaratta Rovers

Happy speculating for 2023!

EDIT: 11/12/22 - Added Free Agent status to OOC player list
EDIT: 24/2/23 - Crossed out Tom Green

12

Tom Green

Age

23

Ht

192cm

Wt

92kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

3star

CL

2.8

4star

D

11.5

3star

K

4.3

2star

HB

7.3

5star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.3

4star

CL

2.8

5star

from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo!!) & Added 2023 Coates Talent League Fixture Link
EDIT: 27/2/23 - Crossed out Finn Callaghan from OOC player list! (Woo Hoo Hoo!!!)
EDIT: 27/4/23 - Crossed out Jacob Wehr from OOC player list
EDIT: 10/5/23 - Crossed out Jack Buckley from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/7/23 - Crossed out Callum Brown from OOC player list
EDIT: 18/7/23 - Crossed out Lachie Ash from OOC player list
EDIT: 20/7/23 - Crossed out Xavier O'Halloran from OOC player list
EDIT: 3/8/23 - Crossed out Harry Himmelberg from OOC player list
EDIT: 9/8/23 - Crossed out Wade Derksen from OOC player list
EDIT: 17/8/23 - Noted Dan Lloyd retiring at end of season
EDIT: 19/8/23 - Crossed out Jake Riccardi from OOC player list
EDIT: 28/8/23 - Noted Phil Davis

1

Phil Davis

Age

34

Ht

197cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

13.0

3star

K

7.6

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

55.5

1star

D

8.5

2star

K

4.4

2star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.4

3star

T

1.3

2star

MG

55.5

1star

D

14.0

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

6.0

4star

M

5.8

5star

T

1.4

4star

retiring at end of season
EDIT: 25/9/23 - Noted Cam Fleeton & Jason Gilbee delisted
EDIT: 4/10/23 - Noted Flynn, Preuss & Keeffe situations
EDIT: 9/10/23 - Updated Flynn to WCE, removed Preuss from OOC player list
EDIT: 12/10/23 - Updated Madden with 2 sources of information
EDIT: 19/10/23 - Updated Keeffe & Hamilton re-signed
EDIT: 31/10/23 - adjusted main list numbers with Adam Kennedy

40

Adam Kennedy

Age

32

Ht

183cm

Wt

80kg

Pos.

D/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

14.9

4star

K

8.4

3star

HB

6.5

4star

M

4.4

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

245.6

4star

D

1.0

1star

K

1.0

1star

HB

0.0

1star

M

0.0

1star

T

0.0

1star

MG

10.0

1star

D

18.6

5star

K

9.8

4star

HB

8.8

5star

M

4.0

4star

T

1.4

4star

delisting (with a view to be re-selected in rookie draft)

 

[Giant Strides]

Here's our academy candidates this year ...

 

[sydney_gws]

Are they all turning 18 this year?
So they weren't not drafted last year.
Where are they from

 

[Andre the Giant]

Got a bad feeling TG is leaving.
He does say he loves it here, have no doubt the club has thrown the dollars at him.
So why no sig? He is still early in his career. Not like Cogs or Chook with their last deals.

Met a family member at the Boxing Day test at a function would you believe, told me he absolutely loves Sydney and the club. Gave the impression the boys are very tight and have a wonderful bond and culture. He was a bit critical of our past lack of game style and lack of a definitive style but that is changing. Don’t think he’s going anywhere.

Personally the one I’m still concerned with is Callaghan. I have no insights as to whether he stays or leaves but he is from a strong Melbourne family and his GF from there although unsure if she is now Sydney based. For mine he is the jewel in the crown and a must keep.

 

[domologue]

Also, surely Taranto and Hopper leaving means the club has the space to lock him up.

It's smart of him to wait to see what happens with the new coach. It's also smart of him to figure out what his role looks like without Hopper and Taranto.

I'm not worried he hasn't committed at this point, but will be come round 12-13, particularly if we're not just in the bottom four, but playing like we deserve to be.

I'm with Andre the Giant - Callaghan is a big question. But also, I want to see more of him before we offer him anything too crazy. He could/should be pushing for first 22 this year if he's fit, but he needs to step up and stay fit!

 

[PaythePerryman]

Also, surely Taranto and Hopper leaving means the club has the space to lock him up.

It's smart of him to wait to see what happens with the new coach. It's also smart of him to figure out what his role looks like without Hopper and Taranto.

I'm not worried he hasn't committed at this point, but will be come round 12-13, particularly if we're not just in the bottom four, but playing like we deserve to be.

I'm with Andre the Giant - Callaghan is a big question. But also, I want to see more of him before we offer him anything too crazy. He could/should be pushing for first 22 this year if he's fit, but he needs to step up and stay fit!

We will have at least 6 VIC teams pushing his price up.
Would be amazing to sign him and Tom Green/Ash ahead of the season start so members have something and some people to invest in for the future of the club.

 

[Danny88]

I’d be shocked if Finn is signed before round 18. He has had an interrupted two years and will want to put some stats up that reflect his desired price rise

No way he signs before the bye without good numbers on the board to ask for more imo

 

[Giant Strides]

Are they all turning 18 this year?
So they weren't not drafted last year.
Where are they from

This year's draft, so 18.

The Phase 1 Academy Squad announcement states age groups & where they're from:

https://resources.gwsgiants.com.au/aflc-gws/document/2022/10/13/4e16650e-6328-47b1-a7ca-1c504a0925b5/Male-Phase-1-Squads-2022-2023.pdf

Matthew Brown = Western Sydney training group (but the video below states he drives in 3.5 hours from Orange)
Charlie McCormack = Riverina area
Harvey Thomas = Riverina area

(Note: the phase 1 is from October, before the ND, so it names Harry Rowston & Nick Madden! )

This vid from the club talks about them a little.

Academy Prospects Join AFL Pre-Season Training

Members of the GIANTS Academy join the AFL pre-season training to experience what is like to train as a full time AFL player.

www.gwsgiants.com.au

 

[Giant Pete]

I’d be shocked if Finn is signed before round 18. He has had an interrupted two years and will want to put some stats up that reflect his desired price rise

No way he signs before the bye without good numbers on the board to ask for more imo

Always risk/reward. If he has another injury then he’ll get less

 

[Colonial]

Met a family member at the Boxing Day test at a function would you believe, told me he absolutely loves Sydney and the club. Gave the impression the boys are very tight and have a wonderful bond and culture. He was a bit critical of our past lack of game style and lack of a definitive style but that is changing. Don’t think he’s going anywhere.

Personally the one I’m still concerned with is Callaghan. I have no insights as to whether he stays or leaves but he is from a strong Melbourne family and his GF from there although unsure if she is now Sydney based. For mine he is the jewel in the crown and a must keep.

For the sake of the club hope you are right.

 

[Danny88]

Always risk/reward. If he has another injury then he’ll get less

Great point.

Usually a top 3 pick will get plenty of chances

 

[MelbourneGWS]

We have the 7th youngest list in the competition and are the 14th most experienced

Which AFL teams enter 2023 with the oldest and youngest lists?

See where your club ranks in age and experience for next season.

www.zerohanger.com

 

[Giant Strides]

Every AFL club’s 2023 free agents revealed

Check out your club’s free agents here.

www.sen.com.au

Phil Davis ^
Matt Flynn +
Harry Himmelberg +
Lachie Keeffe ^
Daniel Lloyd
Callan Ward
Jacob Wehr ^

Restricted free agent = +
Previously delisted = ^

Haven't we technically delisted Dan Lloyd? He went from the main list to rookie list - was that the COVID-affected year where clubs were allowed to move them directly without delisting? I would have thought that they would still have counted that as being delisted (effectively it was).

Is anyone else surprised that Matt Flynn is an RFA?

 

[fridgeman]

Every AFL club’s 2023 free agents revealed

Check out your club’s free agents here.

www.sen.com.au

Phil Davis ^
Matt Flynn +
Harry Himmelberg +
Lachie Keeffe ^
Daniel Lloyd
Callan Ward
Jacob Wehr ^

Restricted free agent = +
Previously delisted = ^

Haven't we technically delisted Dan Lloyd? He went from the main list to rookie list - was that the COVID-affected year where clubs were allowed to move them directly without delisting? I would have thought that they would still have counted that as being delisted (effectively it was).

Is anyone else surprised that Matt Flynn is an RFA?

Dont think anyone except HH will get interest, Flynn would need to have a good year (10-15 games playing well) to get interest and then he would only jopin the back up ruck merry go round
So Flynn is in the top 25% on the list? It is possible with approx 15 players on rookie/base contracts and 8 on high $ contracts and with the ability to back end contracts so if he does have a good year the club still has some leverage. Could be the same case with Lloyd

 

[Colonial]

Davis will walk into a Board spot as soon as he retires this year yeah? Unless of course he wants more years.

HH will get interest as he is versatile.

Flynn maybe as he is a decent ruck, just injury prone.

Ward going nowhere. Will play in Orange as long as he wants.

 

[Giant Strides]

Early season article on likely high draft picks - I'm sure if you follow PMBangers and other draftwatchers on BF you'll read a lot about these guys this year.

Eye on the future: 10 draft prospects to watch in 2023

With the 2022 NAB AFL Draft done and dusted, Callum Twomey looks ahead to the best prospects heading into next season

www.afl.com.au

 

[PMBangers]

Early season article on likely high draft picks - I'm sure if you follow PMBangers and other draftwatchers on BF you'll read a lot about these guys this year.

Eye on the future: 10 draft prospects to watch in 2023

With the 2022 NAB AFL Draft done and dusted, Callum Twomey looks ahead to the best prospects heading into next season

www.afl.com.au

A Zane Duursma and Archer Reid combo is the dream currently, although Dan Curtin would fit us nicely as another talented WA Key Defender

 

[GWS Goose]

A Zane Duursma and Archer Reid combo is the dream currently, although Dan Curtin would fit us nicely as another talented WA Key Defender

We'll just take Harley Reid with the Richmond pick at 1, and see who is around for our pick at 18 (before academy and father sons)

it's pre-season, the time to dream

 

[PMBangers]

We'll just take Harley Reid with the Richmond pick at 1, and see who is around for our pick at 18 (before academy and father sons)

it's pre-season, the time to dream

Add me to the missing persons list if we snag Harley through Richmonds pick

 

[Hendo_21]

Lock ’em up: Which 2021 AFL first-round draftees are yet to re-sign?

AFL list managers typically prefer to extend their first-round draft picks before their second season starts, but there are still six players from 2021 yet to do so.

www.theage.com.au

Little snippet from The Age's article on 2021 rookies
"Negotiations are also progressing well on new deals for midfielders Callaghan and Sheldrick"

 

[GWS Goose]

Lock ’em up: Which 2021 AFL first-round draftees are yet to re-sign?

AFL list managers typically prefer to extend their first-round draft picks before their second season starts, but there are still six players from 2021 yet to do so.

www.theage.com.au

Little snippet from The Age's article on 2021 rookies
"Negotiations are also progressing well on new deals for midfielders Callaghan and Sheldrick"

encouraging.

 

[MelbourneGWS]

Sen picks Himmelberg as the out of contract player our club can least afford to lose The off-contract player your club is sweating on re-signing early in 2023

 

[Giant Gutsache]

Sen picks Himmelberg as the out of contract player our club can least afford to lose The off-contract player your club is sweating on re-signing early in 2023

Are they thinking Green and Callaghan have already signed?

 

[Giant Pete]

Are they thinking Green and Callaghan have already signed?

No.

 

[MelbourneGWS]

Are they thinking Green and Callaghan have already signed?

I think it’s more that Himmelberg is regarded as the most important out of contract player we need to sign?

 

[Colonial]

I think it’s more that Himmelberg is regarded as the most important out of contract player we need to sign?

Than Green?

I like HH but Green is the most important re-signing since the failed Cameron effort.