List Mgmt. 2023 List Management and Trading

[Scorpus]

Are all these South Australians out of contract at the end of this season? According to the Advertiser they are though only listed South Australians playing for Victorian clubs for some reason

Mason Redman
Brad Close
Will Day
Kysaiah Pickett
Nasiah Wanganeen-Milera
Callum Wilkie

I'd be going very hard at Will Day.

Mason Redman would be a nice free agent.

Before we got Rachele and Rankine I would have gone very hard at Pickett. But we can't spend yet another first rounder on a small forward

 

[1990crow]

I'd be going very hard at Will Day.

Mason Redman would be a nice free agent.

Before we got Rachele and Rankine I would have gone very hard at Pickett. But we can't spend yet another first rounder on a small forward

Why not (Pickett)?

Rankine and Rachele all I have heard all preseason is that they should be developing into permanent midfielders.

Let's assume one of them in 12-24 months makes that transition we are left with the other as the only 60% forward and no full time small forward.

I'd go for him, can never have a shortage of good front half players, whilst also pursuing that gun midfielder to complement what we already have in there.

 

[Scorpus]

Why not (Pickett)?

Rankine and Rachele all I have heard all preseason is that they should be developing into permanent midfielders.

Let's assume one of them in 12-24 months makes that transition we are left with the other as the only 60% forward and no full time small forward.

I'd go for him, can never have a shortage of good front half players, whilst also pursuing that gun midfielder to complement what we already have in there.

We can't spend four first round picks on small forwards since 2018 but only 2 on the midfield.

Pass

 

[1990crow]

We can't spend four first round picks on small forwards since 2018 but only 2 on the midfield.

Pass

You didn't respond to Rachele/Rankine to midfield logic.

 

[GreyCrow]

Why not (Pickett)?

Rankine and Rachele all I have heard all preseason is that they should be developing into permanent midfielders.

Let's assume one of them in 12-24 months makes that transition we are left with the other as the only 60% forward and no full time small forward.

I'd go for him, can never have a shortage of good front half players, whilst also pursuing that gun midfielder to complement what we already have in there.

You can transition people out of the midfield forward but finding genuine midfielders should be a teams priority.

If the choice is Hollands or Pickett (example) then I am Hollands all the way and Murphy gets another year

 

[1990crow]

You can transition people out of the midfield forward but finding genuine midfielders should be a teams priority.

If the choice is Hollands or Pickett (example) then I am Hollands all the way and Murphy gets another year

My argument is that this decision doesn't need to be binary. Both should be achievable.

2023 first - midfielder.
2024 first - Pickett.
2024 father son (points) - Welsh
2023/2024 free agents.

 

[Scorpus]

You didn't respond to Rachele/Rankine to midfield logic.

Rather than acquiring small forwards and turning them into midfielders I'd rather we spend our currency on actual midfielders

Still a lot of question marks over whether Rachele and Rankine will become genuine midfielders or just pinch hitters or half forwards.

 

[GreyCrow]

My argument is that this decision doesn't need to be binary. Both should be achievable.

2023 first - midfielder.
2024 first - Pickett.
2024 father son (points) - Welsh
2023/2024 free agents.

Thats writing off any 2024 midfielder that jumps up.

2023 and 2024 should be A Grade mids

My argument is we can find forward flankers anywhere - even transition Keays and Sloane (2023) out for Rankine, Rachele and go hunt midfielders.

 

[Danger in Texas]

Why not (Pickett)?

Rankine and Rachele all I have heard all preseason is that they should be developing into permanent midfielders.

Let's assume one of them in 12-24 months makes that transition we are left with the other as the only 60% forward and no full time small forward.

I'd go for him, can never have a shortage of good front half players, whilst also pursuing that gun midfielder to complement what we already have in there.

Melb will want our 2023 first, minimum. Pickett is a hell of a talent without question, but that pick must be spent on a bonafide (ideally 185cm+) midfield prospect this year

Yes, you can move Rankine/Rachele to the middle, but that still doesn't solve size issues

 

[1990crow]

Thats writing off any 2024 midfielder that jumps up.

2023 and 2024 should be A Grade mids

My argument is we can find forward flankers anywhere - even transition Keays and Sloane (2023) out for Rankine, Rachele and go hunt midfielders.

How many midfielders do we need?

Berry, Soligo, Laird, Schoenberg, Rankine/Rachele, 2023 first is already a good start without potential for Taylor and Dowling/Bond making the grade.

 

[1990crow]

Melb will want our 2023 first, minimum. Pickett is a hell of a talent without question, but that pick must be spent on a bonafide (ideally 185cm+) midfield prospect this year

Yes, you can move Rankine/Rachele to the middle, but that still doesn't solve size issues

I agree I wouldn't budge on giving up 2023 first. For size if 2023 first is decent size and Dowling comes on that shouldn't be an issue.

 

[1990crow]

Rather than acquiring small forwards and turning them into midfielders I'd rather we spend our currency on actual midfielders

Still a lot of question marks over whether Rachele and Rankine will become genuine midfielders or just pinch hitters or half forwards.

I agree it's a question mark but I think we will know more half way through the year.

 

[GreyCrow]

Its a matter of team building philosophy but I dont see any A grade mids in Taylor/Dowling/Bond - hope to be wrong but I dont see it

Again my philosophy is that forwards can be found and spending a 1st on one is madness - unless they will transition to a midfield role - which I dont see in Pickett

 

[Crow till I die]

We can't spend four first round picks on small forwards since 2018 but only 2 on the midfield.

Pass

I maintain we should be all in on luring Elijah Hollands across at the end of his contract. He would be a point of difference for our midfield imo

 

[Scorpus]

The other issue is the two first round picks we have spent on midfielders since 2018 have ended up as 1) a back pocket that's maybe not AFL standard and 2) a half forward, or at least that's what it sounds like we're turning him into this pre-season

Time to get a midfielder with our best picks

 

[1990crow]

Its a matter of team building philosophy but I dont see any A grade mids in Taylor/Dowling/Bond - hope to be wrong but I dont see it

Again my philosophy is that forwards can be found and spending a 1st on one is madness - unless they will transition to a midfield role - which I dont see in Pickett

Fair enough. It's a good position to be in for us now we can start adding to the top end talent we already have year on year.

In 2027 for example (5 years from now) we will have Milera, Doedee, Dawson, Fogarty, Rankine, Thilthorpe, Pedlar, Rachele, Michalanney, 2023 first, Tyler Welsh, 2024 first, 2025 first, 2026 first as well as the likes of Soligo, Berry, Worrell, Jones, Cook, Butts, and a couple of free agents available to us.
Thats a lot of top end talent.

 

[Mutineer]

Kaine Baldwin is the one I'll be keeping a close eye on...

 

[1990crow]

Kaine Baldwin is the one I'll be keeping a close eye on...

Meh. Haven't seen much to be interested in for us to add to what we already have (Fogarty, Thilthorpe, Welsh coming).

 

[kick it to me_]

Kaine Baldwin is the one I'll be keeping a close eye on...

I could see him being loyal to Essondon for taking a chance on him. He's looked alright so far and looks as if the knee injuries are behind him.

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[Mutineer]

Meh. Haven't seen much to be interested in for us to add to what we already have (Fogarty, Thilthorpe, Welsh coming).

Might be meh to you but at the same age before he did his knee Baldwin>>>>>>>>>Welsh.

 

[skittlebrew]

Again my philosophy is that forwards can be found and spending a 1st on one is madness - unless they will transition to a midfield role - which I dont see in Pickett

Interesting. I feel like forwards are tougher to find and elite goal sense can't be taught.

A failed forward can become a defender, harder for the opposite imo.

I'm happy to skew draft capital toward midfielders and forwards, not so much with backmen.

 

[GreyCrow]

Interesting. I feel like forwards are tougher to find and elite goal sense can't be taught.

A failed forward can become a defender, harder for the opposite imo.

I'm happy to skew draft capital toward midfielders and forwards, not so much with backmen.

True and 2 x 40+ goal seasons says Pickett has goal sense. I just think the price might be too high - unless we find a 2nd late 1st rounder

 

[martyparty]

True and 2 x 40+ goal seasons says Pickett has goal sense. I just think the price might be too high - unless we find a 2nd late 1st rounder

Pickett destroyed Port with half a dozen goals “including two goal-of-the-year contenders” (The Age) last year. Worth a first rounder in my opinion.

 

[StickerMan]

Pickett on the open market is definitely worth a first rounder.

Question is does he fill a need for AFC that is worth spending a first rounder. With Rankine & Rachele, I am not sure that it is best way to spend our currency with other holes in our playing list.

 

[GROTTO]

Pickett on the open market is definitely worth a first rounder.

Question is does he fill a need for AFC that is worth spending a first rounder. With Rankine & Rachele, I am not sure that it is best way to spend our currency with other holes in our playing list.

The question next that needs to be asked, how confident are we in keeping Rachele?

That completely shapes the Pickett scenario.