2023 Membership Talk

[PonsfordMagpie]

they cant even sell our their own seats less alone extra.

As I said earlier in this thread, they should be careful to not bite the hand that feeds them.

 

[Anderson Brown]

It's a bit rich for the Hawks to be complaining. This is the same club that screws over their own members by selling games to Tasmania.

 

[Magpie_96]

Can someone copy paste the article on here for those who can’t get past herald sun paywall, would be greatly appreciated .

 

[KrispyKremePie]

Noticed this reply to that tweet. Wishful thinking?

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[Jen2310]

Noticed this reply to that tweet. Wishful thinking?

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Lets hope they know what they are doing.

 

[Jen2310]

Can someone copy paste the article on here for those who can’t get past herald sun paywall, would be greatly appreciated .

Hawthorn wants Collingwood to be stripped of all 15,000 of its member reserved seats at away games as tensions escalated over the MCG seat stoush.
The Hawks have ramped up the pressure on Collingwood to lose all of its special access seats in the Ponsford Stand, labelling the 30-year-old deal with the MCC as “fundamentally unfair”.

News Corp revealed on Tuesday league chiefs had hatched a peace plan for Collingwood to lose 4000 of the seats when the new deal kicks in for next season.

It would still give Collingwood an extra 11,000 seats in the Ponsford Stand and the use of two corporate hospitality rooms for 2024.

The peace plan has strong backing from league and stadium chiefs and is seen as a stepping stone towards a staggered phase-out of all Collingwood’s bonus reserved seat scheme.

But the Hawks remain angry Collingwood would have any special hold on MCG seats at away games and have called on the MCC to strip Collingwood of all of them in what would be a significant blow to the Magpies’ coffers.

The extra seats and rooms help generate a significant windfall for the Magpies, but the league wants those riches spread more evenly among the clubs.


Hawthorn chief executive Justin Reeves said the old reserved seats deal was outdated and was adamant it was time to create a level playing field for MCG tenant clubs.

“This is an agreement between the MCC and the tenant clubs and we look forward to continuing our positive discussions with the MCC to ensure everyone is treated fairly,” Reeves said.

“We respect Collingwood’s contribution to the MCG and the game.

“But it’s 2023, and the previous deal is fundamentally unfair to everyone except Collingwood.”

Collingwood chiefs have told football officials the club does not want to lose any of its extra reserved seats due to the disruption to its members in the Ponsford Stand.

On Wednesday, the club remained tied to its position despite being informed more than four years ago the club would have to give back at least several thousand seats.

It set the scene for a tense tug of war between the MCG tenant clubs including powerhouse Richmond, which has grown the second-largest membership base in the league.

An MCC decision to strip Collingwood of at least 3000-4000 reserved seats for away games is expected by the end of April, with the league’s backing.

Rival clubs have also questioned whether the Magpies should retain exclusive access to the City end change rooms for all MCG games.

The Magpies only ever use the City end change rooms regardless of whether the Magpies are the home or away side as part of a long-held deal with the MCG.

It means Collingwood would be given the home rooms for a final over another MCG tenant club such as Hawthorn even if the Hawks finished higher on the ladder.

But rival clubs have raised the issue in recent weeks, questioning whether the Magpies should be booted to the other change rooms in the event they finish lower on the ladder than their opponent, particularly in finals.

Melbourne and Richmond prefer the ‘away’ rooms and base themselves there for all MCG games.

Collingwood’s ‘home’ room has a wide race for the players to use to run on to the ground at the MCG.

 

[Queenie Hearts]

I don’t care about the change rooms but Hawthorn does not fill the seats.

Hawks can be part of the rotation of “big Victorian clubs” playing in the non-football states every year to give those clubs some revenue.
Be careful what you wish for…

Again, all 11 home games should now be at the MCG.

Based on this years’ fixture we get 9 home and 5 away games at MCG and 2 home games (Nth & Lions) and 1 away at Marvel (Dogs).

A Legends membership is $945 so losing 5 games at the MCG of reserved seating is significant. They could at least ensure all home games are there so we lose 3 not 5.

Tigers most equivalent membership is on L2 and costs about $1800 so I imagine those are the seats that they want to take back with the function part of that package. The next level is slot cheaper (around 350) and has reserve seating in M1/M2 but no GF tickets.

Collingwood will need to rethink its pricing and packages if the value proposition is less.



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[barrackers]

Will we see a shift in our fixturing requests as a result of this push? Less double up games against certain clubs?

Glad the dees haven’t been to vocal on this yet given we gifted them a home game for two decades.

 

[barrackers]

Interesting that the tuggers and dees also have consistent use of one change room regardless of who’s hosting. Yet according the Tassie hawks it’s not ok that we have that same deal?

 

[swoop42]

Any loss of seats should be used as an opportunity for the club to demand all 11 home games be played at the M.C.G. as compensation.

 

[Anzacday]

Again, all 11 home games should now be at the MCG.

Was one of the first things PJB, (President Jeff Browne) said from memory.
Probably knew about the seating issue and planted that seed early.

 

[nick1408]

Tigers most equivalent membership is on L2 and costs about $1800 so I imagine those are the seats that they want to take back with the function part of that package. The next level is slot cheaper (around 350) and has reserve seating in M1/M2 but no GF tickets.

Collingwood will need to rethink its pricing and packages if the value proposition is less.



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Is this the one you are refering to?



I do agree that Collingwood will need to rethink their pricing. The Ponsford option is the cheapest due to the loss of home game seating:



As you can see the three options all have a waitlist. All Richmond will do is up the price of the Ponsford option to get more money out of members.

 

[nick1408]

Was one of the first things PJB, (President Jeff Browne) said from memory.
Probably knew about the seating issue and planted that seed early.

It's good to ask for but if Collingwood get that you can be sure that Hawthorn, Richmond and Melbourne will want the same. Essendon and Carlton also to a lesser extent. This is one thing I think Collingwood have no chance at getting. It's also one thing each of the four tenants are fighting for.

 

[JLC]

It's good to ask for but if Collingwood get that you can be sure that Hawthorn, Richmond and Melbourne will want the same. Essendon and Carlton also to a lesser extent. This is one thing I think Collingwood have no chance at getting. It's also one thing each of the four tenants are fighting for.

Lol Hawthorn Richmond and Melbourne were all happy to sell home games. Now they want to come running back to the mcg for all their games lol

Essendon and Carltons home is
Docklands?

So the only team that stuck fully with the mcg was us?

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[doppleganger]

Lol Hawthorn Richmond and Melbourne were all happy to sell home games. Now they want to come running back to the mcg for all their games lol

Essendon and Carltons home is
Docklands?

So the only team that stuck fully with the mcg was us?

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To be fair to Richmond and Melbourne, like us they were fixtured home games at Docklands when it opened.

They then preferred to sell those games to make $$, as their fans have even greater affinity with the G then ours.

Richmond and Melbourne didnt abandon the G, they were forced to play home games at the Docklands...and so then sold those Docklands games.

 

[barrackers]

It's good to ask for but if Collingwood get that you can be sure that Hawthorn, Richmond and Melbourne will want the same. Essendon and Carlton also to a lesser extent. This is one thing I think Collingwood have no chance at getting. It's also one thing each of the four tenants are fighting for.

We’re the only MCG club that annually hosts a Marvel team on their ground. Removing that charity home game giveaway should be the bare minimum.

 

[nick1408]

We’re the only MCG club that annually hosts a Marvel team on their ground. Removing that charity home game giveaway should be the bare minimum.

Every club has copped that. Richmond has had it against North Melbourne in the past as well. All that needs to change is to host an interstate club at Docklands rather than a tenant club. I'd be extremely surprised if Jeff Browne isn't lobbying for that now as Richmond did it a while ago.

 

[doppleganger]

We’re the only MCG club that annually hosts a Marvel team on their ground. Removing that charity home game giveaway should be the bare minimum.

Depending on point of view, we are also the only club who doesn't play in Tassie, Cat Park etc.

And we get the most MCG games of all clubs.

What I dont get is, why do Richmond members want to sit in the Ponsford for anyway?? Their home crowd dominates the punt road end.

The away team cheer squad and majority of away supportrrs will be at Ponsford end for Richmond home games.

 

[Queenie Hearts]

Is this the one you are refering to?

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I do agree that Collingwood will need to rethink their pricing. The Ponsford option is the cheapest due to the loss of home game seating:

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As you can see the three options all have a waitlist. All Richmond will do is up the price of the Ponsford option to get more money out of members.

No it’s called Club XIII- includes social club, finals, GF and Harrison room at home games with reserved seats in N30-35 and complimentary guest passes for 3 people.

Have no idea if it is waitlisted but it is $1995 per year .

You could be right but I wondered if this was an issue.


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[Babylove]

Hypothetical question. If the club came to members and said it has to hand some or all of it’s Ponsford stand away game allocation but in exchange it will now be able to play all home games at the MCG would you be okay with the club making that deal?

I know I would but I don’t have an away game reserved seats.

 

[Queenie Hearts]

No it’s called Club XIII- includes social club, finals, GF and Harrison room at home games with reserved seats in N30-35 and complimentary guest passes for 3 people.

Have no idea if it is waitlisted but it is $1995 per year .

You could be right but I wondered if this was an issue.


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So if level 2 in Ponsford goes to row Q (just looked it up) and has say, 20 seats a row(?) that’s 400 seats a bay. With 6 bays that’s potentially 2400 Tigers members each paying almost $2k and not getting their promised home seats. They are each then also promised 3 guest passes - I assume they wouldn’t use them all but seriously, how do they promise that guests can definitely come to any home game? It must mean it is not that full.

Still think this could be the problem area.

That and the noise we made at the 2018 preliminary final.


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[KrispyKremePie]

Next year pies will be the away team for Anzac Day…

If a compromise was made that doesn’t affect our Anzac Day away reserved seat, I think I could live with that.

 

[The Phantom]

Hypothetical question. If the club came to members and said it has to hand some or all of it’s Ponsford stand away game allocation but in exchange it will now be able to play all home games at the MCG would you be okay with the club making that deal?

I know I would but I don’t have an away game reserved seats.

Nope.

There’s 2 home games at Marvel, versus 4 away games at the G.
And the away games can include Anzac Day and blockbuster games against Carlton, Geelong, Richmond etc.

Not having to compete for tickets or seats for those games and finals and GF is a huge chunk of Legends Membership value.
They can keep the scarf, lanyard and show bag crap.

 

[nick1408]

So if level 2 in Ponsford goes to row Q (just looked it up) and has say, 20 seats a row(?) that’s 400 seats a bay. With 6 bays that’s potentially 2400 Tigers members each paying almost $2k and not getting their promised home seats. They are each then also promised 3 guest passes - I assume they wouldn’t use them all but seriously, how do they promise that guests can definitely come to any home game? It must mean it is not that full.

Still think this could be the problem area.

That and the noise we made at the 2018 preliminary final.


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Club XIII isn't the only membership type Richmond sell in the Ponsford. Premiership Circle is also sold there. The guest passes aren't gauranteed either. They are subject to availability.

I also agree with you - the problem area will be Level 2 in front of the Harrison Room/Dean Jones Bar (N30-35)

 

[Mkcaptain]

Nope.

There’s 2 home games at Marvel, versus 4 away games at the G.
And the away games can include Anzac Day and blockbuster games against Carlton, Geelong, Richmond etc.

Not having to compete for tickets or seats for those games and finals and GF is a huge chunk of Legends Membership value.
They can keep the scarf, lanyard and show bag crap.

These days you'd include QB in that list with Big Freeze now being a big event