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[Passmore]

Hello brother.

That's the big question mark re: Curtin. He's definitely a top AFL prospect. Potentially a very very good player with all the tools.
BUT... is he a CHB/FB? We think (by we I mean the accepted rhetoric on our board) no, he's an oversized rebounding high quality third tall. Not necessarily what you need either, in which case are North better off targeting O'Sullivan who seems to have shot up the board, or even Zane Zakostelsky, another Claremont tall? On our board we hope our second pick brings us ZZ, but he's copping a bit of media attention of late, maybe he won't last?

We're still in a space where we need to keep bringing in the best available talent. We just don't have enough. In time we can target specific positions.

Some of our supporters are getting restless because of the time we've spent at the bottom, but unfortunately we've basically had to start again.

Personally I hope we do make a play for pick 1. Obviously it's in WC's hands so not much we can do. Failing that, take the next best players in McKercher and Sanders at 2 and 3.

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[speedy]

The likes of Dawson and Zakostelsky are the reason we shouldn’t just burn those PP, 14 and 19 away.

There’s no reason why we can’t trade those PP into similar positions on draft night.

You could easily walk away with both Dawson and Zakostelsky and still pick up elite smalls in McKercher and Watson.

I would be very happy if they kept it simple, trade our 2 future first for another 1st rounder this year and pick 5 kids in the 1st round.

 

[Mop]

We're still in a space where we need to keep bringing in the best available talent. We just don't have enough. In time we can target specific positions.

Some of our supporters are getting restless because of the time we've spent at the bottom, but unfortunately we've basically had to start again.

Personally I hope we do make a play for pick 1. Obviously it's in WC's hands so not much we can do. Failing that, take the next best players in McKercher and Sanders at 2 and 3.

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Why, because you believe the Reid hype train or because he specificially fits a need that you currently lack?
As I said in this thread some pages ago, my outside belief is that North are better off not paying the inflated price and just loading up - McKercher should be a very very good player in his own right. If I knew with confidence (less and less confidence as days go on) that he'd be our pick 2 as opposed to Curtin then I'd be less opposed to trading 1 from our side.

This could be my own naivity here, but do North even need any more young mids? Isn't it young talls that you lack? Go for the Curtin / O'Sulliivan '/ ZZ trifecta and stockpile approach - you could even downtrade the pick 3 it seems you'll get for two mid picks?
Not a usual approach I know but you've got the draft capital quite nicely to load up this draft.

Curious as to your take on the above. Cheers

 

[Mop]

Pretty much all the elite defenders in the league are essentially oversized rebounding qulity third talls and have been for years.

You should know this, McGovern has been one of them

May and Petty do all the dirty work for Lever.

Payne and Gardiner do all the dirty work for Andrews.

Hurn and Barrass did all the dirty work for McGovern.

Grimes and Astbury did all the dirty work for Rance.

Murphy and Quaynor do all the dirty work for Moore.

Pretty much all the best key defenders try and play as a +1. Because they are the best intercepting players in the league.


The real question is, can he intercept and take contested marks in that role when he fills out? He can certainly move and he can certainly kick the ball as well as someone like Moore.

I'm not an underage watcher so this is third hand information but to answer your bottom, no, he seems not to be terrific in the contested aspect. Rebounding loose gets, yes, but in the traditional man and man contest - not currently his strength.

 

[Sphynx]

I'm not an underage watcher so this is third hand information but to answer your bottom, no, he seems not to be terrific in the contested aspect. Rebounding loose gets, yes, but in the traditional man and man contest - not currently his strength.

I think that's wrong. Whilst he might not be a big intercept marker, he's a decent defender.

His game on Walter was more than decent when they met.

 

[Passmore]

Why, because you believe the Reid hype train or because he specificially fits a need that you currently lack?
As I said in this thread some pages ago, my outside belief is that North are better off not paying the inflated price and just loading up - McKercher should be a very very good player in his own right. If I knew with confidence (less and less confidence as days go on) that he'd be our pick 2 as opposed to Curtin then I'd be less opposed to trading 1 from our side.

This could be my own naivity here, but do North even need any more young mids? Isn't it young talls that you lack? Go for the Curtin / O'Sulliivan '/ ZZ trifecta and stockpile approach - you could even downtrade the pick 3 it seems you'll get for two mid picks?
Not a usual approach I know but you've got the draft capital quite nicely to load up this draft.

Curious as to your take on the above. Cheers

Why? I think he's the best player in the draft. We'd be silly not to make a play. He's more a utility than genuine mid any way.

We need to take the best players when we have picks at the pointy end.

North supporters moaned for years about finishing in no man's land of 8-12 and not getting access to the top end talent. Now we do have access, some want to trade down or reach because a kid plays CHB as a 17yo.

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[Sphynx]

I'm not an underage watcher so this is third hand information but to answer your bottom, no, he seems not to be terrific in the contested aspect. Rebounding loose gets, yes, but in the traditional man and man contest - not currently his strength.

Here you go - 17 disposals, 8 marks and 9 spoils playing directly on the best KPF prospect in about the last 5 drafts.

There's about 8 one-on-one contests with Walter in this mashup.

 

[Harris 10]

We had a meet and greet with Zane Duursma and family late last week.

 

[DocSholl]

We had a meet and greet with Zane Duursma and family late last week.

Hopefully Xavier wasn't there

 

[The Nostradamus]

We had a meet and greet with Zane Duursma and family late last week.

Hopefully was just our first meeting and due diligence
A potential pick 5 target when we get it off the suns maybe

Still not really a position of need

Id rather small forwards (wiz) and KPP (Curtin, Caddy, O’Sullivan)

 

[The Dougster]

Curtin and McKercher with picks 2 & 3. Stephens and Fisher traded in. Clarko will be excited

 

[Disco Dew]

Curtin and McKercher with picks 2 & 3. Stephens and Fisher traded in. Clarko will be excited

I'm not convinced we take Curtin. I think McKercher is a lock though.

 

[The Nostradamus]

I'm not convinced we take Curtin. I think McKercher is a lock though.

Other way around for mine

I think it’s wiz and Curtin

 

[The Filth Wizard]

Other way around for mine

I think it’s wiz and Curtin

I'll break the deadlock, I think it's McKercher and Watson.

 

[giantroo]

 

[Merlin007]

somebody should tell Michael bringing Mannagh with him is part of the job description

 

[The Nostradamus]

I'll break the deadlock, I think it's McKercher and Watson.

I think clarko is going to take a KPP over a mid

He talks about building other areas like he did at the hawks with buddy and roughy

 

[The Filth Wizard]

I think clarko is going to take a KPP over a mid

He talks about building other areas like he did at the hawks with buddy and roughy

Clarko talks a lot of things I reckon.

To be honest the way I really see it going down is Reid and Watson.

 

[Disco Dew]

I'll break the deadlock, I think it's McKercher and Watson.

Thats my tip

 

[Disco Dew]

Oh he's definitely coming.

 

[Passmore]

Clarko talks a lot of things I reckon.

To be honest the way I really see it going down is Reid and Watson.

I'm sure he'd take Buddy and Roughy in this year's draft. There's only one problem.....

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[Val Keating]

Hello brother.

That's the big question mark re: Curtin. He's definitely a top AFL prospect. Potentially a very very good player with all the tools.
BUT... is he a CHB/FB? We think (by we I mean the accepted rhetoric on our board) no, he's an oversized rebounding high quality third tall. Not necessarily what you need either, in which case are North better off targeting O'Sullivan who seems to have shot up the board, or even Zane Zakostelsky, another Claremont tall? On our board we hope our second pick brings us ZZ, but he's copping a bit of media attention of late, maybe he won't last?

From some who knows the juniors by working in the system, “Plays a bit like a tall Sicily, though a better defender because he can shut down tall forwards. Third best player in the draft behind Reid and Jed”

“I’d definitely take him with pick 2”.

I asked him that because it’s likely that North will draft him if a trade doesn’t happen for pick 1 and thought he was being overhyped.

Reckons he’s got a really high ceiling too.

 

[Mop]

From some who knows the juniors by working in the system, “Plays a bit like a tall Sicily, though a better defender because he can shut down tall forwards. Third best player in the draft behind Reid and Jed”

“I’d definitely take him with pick 2”.

I asked him that because it’s likely that North will draft him if a trade doesn’t happen for pick 1 and thought he was being overhyped.

Reckons he’s got a really high ceiling too.

Fair enough - will trust the inside word better than third hand takes!

I think North is the right place for him to be honest. A top line coach with a promising list who could do something good in a few years. Will be in the frame to get games as soon as he's ready. There's a place in your team for him.

It just makes a lot of sense from my perspective. I do think though you still need another genuine tall tall though, but there's a few of those and you have the capital.

 

[4cunningTonneTruck]

I'll break the deadlock, I think it's McKercher and Watson.

Same. I've thought this since it was rumoured we might het pick 3 for Mckay and my position hasn't changed.

 

[4cunningTonneTruck]

Even if we don't get Reid, I would love for another club to sell the farm to get him. I just want to see the melts from WCE fans when their lord and saviour is traded to a different club.