List Mgmt. 2023 National Draft prospects

[soreplums]

Could be available at our second pick

 

[magpies42]

Could be available at our second pick

Reminds me of the guy we picked up from Tassie, early 2000’s.

What would be more telling is his goal average per game. What on earth is Mazenod anyway?

Hine too good and too experienced to get lured in by that. He’ll no exactly what the kid is worth.

 

[magpies42]

Genuine question:

Does anyone give any credence to the analysis of us taking a genuine first ruck prospect in the ND?

As in:
A: there's several good prospects in this pool;
B: Steene is more a second ruck/fwd;
C: Begg is a tall back, at best.

(Sorry, if this's already been discussed at length).

We will take best available that is for certain, we can ill afford to gamble with our first pick. We need every position on the ground…mids, key position players then rucks I think in that order of priority. Any 200+ game player is better than picking for a position and getting nothing in return.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

Genuine question:

Does anyone give any credence to the analysis of us taking a genuine first ruck prospect in the ND?

As in:
A: there's several good prospects in this pool;
B: Steene is more a second ruck/fwd;
C: Begg is a tall back, at best.

(Sorry, if this's already been discussed at length).

Yeah, nah.

The only reason we took Grundy when we did is because he was a top 3 talent who'd slid way too far, and we had 3 consecutive picks anyway, so it was a free swing.

There's no ruckman that talented in this draft pool anyway, and even if there was, you can see more credence in how we look at ruck recruitment between the interest in Scott Lycett and the potential signing of Alex Condon, or how we brought in Cox, Cameron, Begg and Steene, than thinking about us using a first round pick on a ruck.

Maybe if it was someone that was capable of playing full time KPP, but happened to be ruck-sized, but even then it's probably unlikely with Hine.

 

[Vinnie Vegas]

What on earth is Mazenod anyway?

Mediocre private school that has produced a small handful of AFL players over the years, including former Collingwood player Carl Steinfort.

Matthew Boyd is by far the most prominent player in that group, and the less said around here about Alex Woodward the better.

But the AFL world's most prominent Mazenod student is Gerard Whateley.

 

[whiskeytown]

2023 draft hand: 19, 33, 80, 98

Collingwood enters the draft with picks 19 and 33 and will likely use just those two selections.

Coming off a premiership, the Magpies don’t want for much, but using either their first or second-round draft pick on a tall wouldn’t be met with displeasure from their fans.

The last 195cm + tall Collingwood took in first two rounds of the draft that wasn’t a father-son was Brodie Grundy, prior to that it was when both Ben Reid and Nathan Brown were taken at picks eight and 10 in the 2006 Draft.

Simply put, the Magpies don’t like using draft picks on talls and instead seem to take them in rookie drafts or acquire them in trades.

You can’t knock their list-building plans as they seem to be perpetually playing in September and won a flag last season, but the Pies could do with some more top-line tall talent coming through.

Apart from that need, the Pies should go with the best available at their pick.

Verdict: Key position.

Assessing the 2023 draft needs for all 18 AFL clubs

Which type of player should your club target with the picks at their disposal?

www.sen.com.au

agree with this

People say best available but pick 19… getting pushed back to pick 22 or so… is getting towards the iffy part of this draft

Take the young developable tall… over a mediocre mid. Use free agency to top up the midfield over the next couple of years

And no need taking a small or mid sized forward who will never break in to the line up anyhow

 

[Daicosian silk]

Reminds me of the guy we picked up from Tassie, early 2000’s.

What would be more telling is his goal average per game. What on earth is Mazenod anyway?

Hine too good and too experienced to get lured in by that. He’ll no exactly what the kid is worth.

Billy Morrison 2003 draft. Came with huge wraps on him. Turned out to be a bit of a dud. Apologies to Billy if you’re reading

 

[manicpie]

Billy Morrison 2003 draft. Came with huge wraps on him. Turned out to be a bit of a dud. Apologies to Billy if you’re reading

That's him, kicked 9 as a 15yo playing seniors but gee he was shit

 

[Mollythedolly]

Billy Morrison 2003 draft. Came with huge wraps on him. Turned out to be a bit of a dud. Apologies to Billy if you’re reading

Watched him in a VFL game on the QEO in Bendigo and thought he could be a player. Had plenty of tricks on display. Remains the best game I ever saw him play and he was added to my “unrealized potential” pile.

 

[Hardas]

So Markov & Ash J get promoted.
Good for them.

 

[Jen2310]

With the rookie upgrades, that leaves us with 3 senior spots.

Surely they just take 3 picks in the draft then.

Then we had 2 rookies, whether thats rookie draft/ SSP, or MSD

 

[Hardas]

With the rookie upgrades, that leaves us with 3 senior spots.

Surely they just take 3 picks in the draft then.

Then we had 2 rookies, whether thats rookie draft/ SSP, or MSD

Will be an interesting watch to see how far our third pick comes in, & who's still available then before Dekka probably passes!

 

[Jen2310]

Will be an interesting watch to see how far our third pick comes in, & who's still available then before Dekka probably passes!

Yeah probably, then use that last spot elsewhere.

 

[Mollythedolly]

With the rookie upgrades, that leaves us with 3 senior spots.

Surely they just take 3 picks in the draft then.

Then we had 2 rookies, whether thats rookie draft/ SSP, or MSD

I’d like to see us take the 3 picks at the ND. We need to keep building for the future and the ND is still the best method for that. Look at a couple of other more experienced types via DFA’s and Sup draft.

 

[Hardas]

I’d like to see us take the 3 picks at the ND. We need to keep building for the future and the ND is still the best method for that. Look at a couple of other more experienced types via DFA’s and Sup draft.

It's an option, of course, if there are still players available on their list - even if that's a youngish, mature-age player from a state league.
It's nice having a lot of confidence in our club's leadership, knowing those that actually know lots of stuff will not get overruled on list management calls.

 

[sam_e]

I would if there's one there. I really like the look of Greens highlights.

geezus man, why are you being so coy?

i watched Green's youtube highlights, on your recommendation, and didn't hit pause until i got to the end.

no question, this guy will be a star for 'the' Collingwood!

I'm so confused as to why he hasn't debuted as yet ..just play the kid ffs.

ps: for the avoidance of doubt, i like the kid.

 

[VinnieB]

Yeah probably, then use that last spot elsewhere.

Mitch Lewis was 76 and Larkey 73.
Hopefully the Pies do some homework on the qualities they both possessed in junior footy and have a stab at a kid who may not be considered good enough to be drafted higher, but has shown something in a game (ie a big contested marking game or something like that), to have a go with the 3rd pick. More likely to find big kid who can turn into something with some maturity than a smaller player.

 

[Hardas]

geezus man, why are you being so coy?

i watched Green's youtube highlights, on your recommendation, and didn't hit pause until i got to the end.

no question, this guy will be a star for 'the' Collingwood!

I'm so confused as to why he hasn't debuted as yet ..just play the kid ffs.

ps: for the avoidance of doubt, i like the kid.

I'll say one thing for Will Green: it's a rare, potential recruit that's already won several Copeland trophies.

 

[cityslick1]

Genuine question:

Does anyone give any credence to the analysis of us taking a genuine first ruck prospect in the ND?

As in:
A: there's several good prospects in this pool;
B: Steene is more a second ruck/fwd;
C: Begg is a tall back, at best.

(Sorry, if this's already been discussed at length).

Can’t help thinking that we might pick someone like Goad at our second… but more with the aim of developing him as a tall forward or back.

No adelaide clubs before us, and derek knows that the modern day dominating forward or back is 6’ 8”.

Wouldn’t mind this if they pick the most versatile big tall at this pick, as long as we nail a Charlie Edwards or Hardeman pick first up…

 

[legendstatus]

Green is impressive

 

[Aussie pie]

We are in desperate need for genuine replacement for checkers or even an actual FF you know them as a tall.
Frampton will be a good backup ruck and tall defender. I’d like to see us recruit and develop a tall key forward rather than how we’ve been doing it for decades.
It would be nice to see, but honestly I think it’s all about hybrids these days which is a shame because a genuine FF having a day out is a sight to behold.

 

[TradeDraft]

 

[Scud2]

I haven’t moved off Archer Reid for pick 19.

Had a couple of really good games during the year. But very quiet in others.

Put time into him - we don’t need a FF for 2024. Build him up.

 

[magpies42]

Mediocre private school that has produced a small handful of AFL players over the years, including former Collingwood player Carl Steinfort.

Matthew Boyd is by far the most prominent player in that group, and the less said around here about Alex Woodward the better.

But the AFL world's most prominent Mazenod student is Gerard Whateley.

Never heard of it, interesting context…suggests below mediocre

 

[manicpie]

Ginni kicked 15 in a half of football as a junior