NFL 2023 NFL - Week 16

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FRIDAY, DECEMBER 22 @ 12:15 PM
New Orleans at Los Angeles Rams LIVE

SUNDAY, DECEMBER 24 @ 8:30 AM
Cincinnati at Pittsburgh LIVE

SUNDAY, DECEMBER 24 @ 12:00 PM
Buffalo at Los Angeles Chargers LIVE

MONDAY, DECEMBER 25 @ 5:00 AM
Cleveland at Houston
Detroit at Minnesota
Green Bay at Carolina
Indianapolis at Atlanta
Seattle at Tennessee
Washington at New York Jets

MONDAY, DECEMBER 25 @ 8:05 AM
Jacksonville at Tampa Bay

MONDAY, DECEMBER 25 @ 8:25 AM
Arizona at Chicago LIVE
Dallas at Miami LIVE

MONDAY, DECEMBER 25 @ 12:15 PM
New England at Denver LIVE

TUESDAY, DECEMBER 26 @ 5:00 AM
Las Vegas at Kansas City

TUESDAY, DECEMBER 26 @ 8:30 AM
New York Giants at Philadelphia

TUESDAY, DECEMBER 26 @ 12:15 PM
Baltimore at San Francisco LIVE

AUSTRALIAN T.V. GAMES
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 12:15 PM ON 22/12: New Orleans at Los Angeles Rams
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 8.30 AM ON 24/12: Cincinnati at Pittsburgh
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 12.00 PM ON 24/12: Buffalo at Los Angeles Chargers
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 5.00 AM ON 25/12: Detroit at Minnesota
LIVE ON ESPN2/KAYO AT 5.00 AM ON 25/12: Seattle at Tennessee
LIVE ON 7MATE AT 5.00 AM ON 25/12: Cleveland at Houston
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 8.25 AM ON 25/12: Dallas at Miami
LIVE ON 7MATE AT 8.25 AM ON 25/12: Arizona at Chicago
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 12.15 PM ON 25/12: New England at Denver
LIVE ON ESPN2/KAYO AT 12.15 PM ON 26/12: Baltimore at San Francisco

LIVE ON watchESPN AT 5:00 AM on 25/12: NFL RedZone

NB: VIC, NSW, TAS times
less 30 mins SA
less 1 hour QLD
less 1.5 hours NT
less 3 hours WA

 

[Exe Gesis]

Yeah, anpther takeaway for 2023 (and the past few years actually) is how QB numbers are dropping from the days of Brady, Brees, Manning, Rivers etc, and how gadget QBs can do a more than serviceable job. Like, all those bog names right now....Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Wilson, Lawrence, etc, are still only doing as well as the Devitos, Howells, Flaccos, Heinickes, Minshews, etc.

So yeah, Browns didnt have to trade the farm and invest so much money into Watson when guys like Flacco could've been had for next ti nothing and still done as well or better.

 

[GreyCrow]

The big takeaway for 2023 is that DePodesta and Stefanski are proving they know what they're doing instead of the armchair GMs and HCs.

Stefanski COTY contender. So lucky to have him

AmericanCrow threw up in his mouth a little

 

[GreyCrow]

Yeah, anpther takeaway for 2023 (and the past few years actually) is how QB numbers are dropping from the days of Brady, Brees, Manning, Rivers etc, and how gadget QBs can do a more than serviceable job. Like, all those bog names right now....Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Wilson, Lawrence, etc, are still only doing as well as the Devitos, Howells, Flaccos, Heinickes, Minshews, etc.

So yeah, Browns didnt have to trade the farm and invest so much money into Watson when guys like Flacco could've been had for next ti nothing and still done as well or better.

While I tend to agree on the idea of pick to play QBs I do think a settled QB gives the coaching group AND players a longer term plan in setting plays etc.

If you have plays designed as simple as possible you can get away with it short term but the comfort of knowing Patrick can change a play mid snap puts the defence on edge

( I have never believed in multi-billion dollar deals)

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Yeah, anpther takeaway for 2023 (and the past few years actually) is how QB numbers are dropping from the days of Brady, Brees, Manning, Rivers etc, and how gadget QBs can do a more than serviceable job. Like, all those bog names right now....Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Wilson, Lawrence, etc, are still only doing as well as the Devitos, Howells, Flaccos, Heinickes, Minshews, etc.

So yeah, Browns didnt have to trade the farm and invest so much money into Watson when guys like Flacco could've been had for next ti nothing and still done as well or better.

Its been the year of the backup QB for sure. Ive never seen a year like it. Backup QBs getting so many wins and impressing every week.

 

[LittleG]

Yeah, anpther takeaway for 2023 (and the past few years actually) is how QB numbers are dropping from the days of Brady, Brees, Manning, Rivers etc, and how gadget QBs can do a more than serviceable job. Like, all those bog names right now....Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Wilson, Lawrence, etc, are still only doing as well as the Devitos, Howells, Flaccos, Heinickes, Minshews, etc.

So yeah, Browns didnt have to trade the farm and invest so much money into Watson when guys like Flacco could've been had for next ti nothing and still done as well or better.

Defences are much better today than they have been in years.

This is due to higher level coaching in the college ranks. Bigger faster DL. More mobile LB, CB & particularly S.

Safety’s probably have the biggest growth in performance behind the DL. They are faster but also way better coached. Previously you would see only a few ball hawks across the league at Safety, now there are multiple ones available.

You also have to look at the level of backups at Safety being almost as good as the starters. There use to be a huge drop off but not any more.

You have 2 defences this year that are going at historic levels for DVOA. Usually there is just 1 every few years at that level but having 2 is an anomaly.

Looking forward to the battle of the Big Ds this weekend.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Defences are much better today than they have been in years.

This is due to higher level coaching in the college ranks. Bigger faster DL. More mobile LB, CB & particularly S.

Safety’s probably have the biggest growth in performance behind the DL. They are faster but also way better coached. Previously you would see only a few ball hawks across the league at Safety, now there are multiple ones available.

You also have to look at the level of backups at Safety being almost as good as the starters. There use to be a huge drop off but not any more.

You have 2 defences this year that are going at historic levels for DVOA. Usually there is just 1 every few years at that level but having 2 is an anomaly.

Looking forward to the battle of the Big Ds this weekend.

Defensive schemes too are much more complex now. Showing man but really zone. Showing zone but reaply man. At the snap changing coverage from 1 high to 2 high. Delayed and concealed blitzes. Etc.

 

[LittleG]

Defensive schemes too are much more complex now. Showing man but really zone. Showing zone but reaply man. At the snap changing coverage from 1 high to 2 high. Delayed and concealed blitzes. Etc.

The Schemes are just downright brilliant in their intricacies. WRs rarely get big numbers, except for the elite few. TEs go alright but the S/LB covering them are getting bigger and faster.

I think that a big OL with a dynamic RB, has become the biggest weapon in football. Too many coverage LB and pass rushing DLinemen; not enough run stoppers. Just watch the Bills completely own Dallas and their team will go as far as their RB is healthy. Same with 9ers. Even Miami will only go as far as their RBs stay healthy.

 

[Jatz]

Really looking forward to somehow losing to the Giants.

 

[hutchy31]

Be interesting to see how the Chargers go without Staley

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The Chargers were chargering long before Staley joined them, and I expect will continue to charger long after he's gone. I know where my money will be.

 

[hutchy31]

Yeah, anpther takeaway for 2023 (and the past few years actually) is how QB numbers are dropping from the days of Brady, Brees, Manning, Rivers etc, and how gadget QBs can do a more than serviceable job. Like, all those bog names right now....Mahomes, Allen, Burrow, Wilson, Lawrence, etc, are still only doing as well as the Devitos, Howells, Flaccos, Heinickes, Minshews, etc.

So yeah, Browns didnt have to trade the farm and invest so much money into Watson when guys like Flacco could've been had for next ti nothing and still done as well or better.

It's an interesting dilemma for GMs. A top-tier QB is what they all want as it means you're almost certain to be in/around the playoffs for a number of years even if the surrounding talent leaves a bit to be desired. Maybe you luck out on some decent rookie talent in skill positions and in defense and you can balance out the big QB contract. But recent history has given at least some evidence that having a functional, young QB on a smaller contract can be a path to the SB because there's so much more salary cap to play with at every other position.

The Watson contract was insane, regardless of the non-football issues it was still an enormous gamble on someone who hadn't played much in a couple of years. I do think if you have drafted one of the top 6-8 QBs in the comp it's hard not to give them the massive contract, and probably the right thing to do. Trading away draft assets to give a massive contract to a QB who isn't guaranteed to be in that top tier is borderline negligence though.

 

[Brasher]

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Long way of saying if the Browns win they are in....be a shorter tweet if they listed the scenarios where if they win and don't secure a playoff spot.

 

[LittleG]

Really looking forward to somehow losing to the Giants.

 

[aussiedude]

We might not be on tv? Outrageous!

NFL Network is available through ESPN+, right?

If I do the free 10-day trial for Foxtel Go, do I get access to ESPN+ for next weeks game and for the few Bowl games that aren't on the normal channels?

No, eagles game is on FOX not NFLN.
and the fox copyright team are campaigners who have even DMCA'd their own content so they will be on the hunt for illegal streams.

 

[AJ_2000]

Really looking forward to somehow losing to the Giants.

Not this week in Philly, but week 18 in NY and the power of the , you could be in trouble.

 

[aussiedude]

Announcer schedule is up.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Really looking forward to somehow losing to the Giants.

Wins in December:

Panthers: 1
Eagles: 0

 

[aussiedude]

No, eagles game is on FOX not NFLN.
and the fox copyright team are campaigners who have even DMCA'd their own content so they will be on the hunt for illegal streams.

Like this is how bad the Fox sports takedown team got.



Also its not just plays, everything covered by them was hit. even the clip where my avatar came from was DMCA hit

 

[aussiedude]

Wins in December:

Panthers: 1
Eagles: 0

Only Washington have a longer losing streak then the Eagles.

 

[Bigelow]

Browns have had 4 winning seasons in the 24 of the new era.
2 have been in the last 4 seasons.

Just sayin'
☺

 

[AmericanCrow]

A11dAtP0w3R

In case you wondered what I sound like during my rants…second one in

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

A11dAtP0w3R

In case you wondered what I sound like during my rants…second one in

I've heard you before on the podcast. You sound exactly how I thought you would.

 

[AmericanCrow]

I've heard you before on the podcast. You sound exactly how I thought you would.

I knew you were a closet Crows fan

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

I knew you were a closet Crows fan

NFL board podcast when they did one here you jackass.

 

[manureid]

I knew you were a closet Crows fan

Below the belt. Post reported.

 

[offtherails9]

Its been the year of the backup QB for sure. Ive never seen a year like it. Backup QBs getting so many wins and impressing every week.

How many that you would consider a genuine backup would you say have had prolonged success so far though?

I think it's too early to go on Flacco. Dobbs had his couple of weeks. But backup guys win games all the time.

I think it's unfair to call Minshew a backup by the way, he was kind of shipped off when he was producing fairly well in Jacksonville and now has shown he can start in the league.