NFL 2023 NFL - Week 17

[balmainforever]

FRIDAY, DECEMBER 29 @ 12:15 PM
New York Jets at Cleveland LIVE

SUNDAY, DECEMBER 31 @ 12:15 PM
Detroit at Dallas LIVE

MONDAY, JANUARY 1 @ 5:00 AM
Arizona at Philadelphia
Atlanta at Chicago
Carolina at Jacksonville
Las Vegas at Indianapolis LIVE
Los Angeles Rams at New York Giants
Miami at Baltimore LIVE
New England at Buffalo
New Orleans at Tampa Bay LIVE
San Francisco at Washington
Tennessee at Houston

MONDAY, JANUARY 1 @ 8:05 AM
Pittsburgh at Seattle LIVE

MONDAY, JANUARY 1 @ 8:25 AM
Cincinnati at Kansas City LIVE
Los Angeles Chargers at Denver

MONDAY, JANUARY 1 @ 12:20 PM
Green Bay at Minnesota LIVE

AUSTRALIAN T.V. GAMES
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 12:15 PM ON 29/12: New York Jets at Clevelands
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 12.00 PM ON 31/12: Detroit at Dallas
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 5.00 AM ON 1/1: Miami at Baltimore
LIVE ON ESPN2/KAYO AT 5.00 AM ON 1/1: Las Vegas at Indianapolis
LIVE ON 7MATE AT 5.00 AM ON 1/1: New Orleans at Tampa Bay
LIVE ON 7MATE AT 8.05 AM ON 1/1: Pittsburgh at Seattle
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 8.25 AM ON 1/1: Cincinnati at Kansas City
LIVE ON ESPN/KAYO AT 12.15 PM ON 1/1: Green Bay at Minnesota

LIVE ON watchESPN AT 5:00 AM on 1/1: NFL RedZone

NB: VIC, NSW, TAS times
less 30 mins SA
less 1 hour QLD
less 1.5 hours NT
less 3 hours WA

 

[aussiedude]

How would they have known the ref had it wrong? Brad Allen nodded at Decker when he reported, and the Lions were in the huddle (presumably making sure everyone knew where to line up/to get the motion right etc) when the announcement was made over the stadium PA.

The * up is Brad Allen's, and basically his alone

They didnt need to have 2 players go over and then a 3rd run on and look like he was going to the ref.

If its all about confusing people, you cant get mad when it confuses the wrong person.
Seems it was announced over the PA.

 

[drd23]

Pick 2 scenarios are very much in the air

 

[Exe Gesis]

Green, eligible.
Red, ineligible.
Orange, eligible in structure of formation but ibeligible due to 50-79 number so must report eligible.


WR........TE..LT..LG..C..RG..RT.................WR
...............................QB..........TE..................
................................RB................................

.......WR......LT..LG..C..RG..RT................WR
.............WR...........QB..........TE..................
..............................RB.................................


...................LT..LG..C..RG..RT..RT..........WR
.............WR............QB................TE...........
...............................RB................................

...................LT..LG..C..RG..RT.....TE..........WR
.............WR............QB............RT...................
...............................RB...................................


The very last one is what the Lions ran. They tried to confuse the D by having extra OL on the field. The TE couldve also been yet another Tackle, even sneakier. But regardless, there'd be two (50-79) ineligible players lined up in eligible positions, so I'm guessing both have to report eligible, or at least one of them has to who intends to run a route. Either of the two could report eligible and the other has to stay back to block. Or both can report eligible and both run routes.

Maybe the confusion the Lions tried to create was sending both up there, so the Dallas D was unsure who of the two or both reported eligible....and the ref got his wires crossed, but either way, the ref had to announce who is reporting eligible, so its all a waste of time trying to confuse the D there.

If the LT was a TE then he wouldnt need to report. As long as the WR on that side didnt cover him up.

If the side judge considered the WR to be covering up the LT even after the LT reported eligible, it still nullifies the LT from being eligible. So maybe the error was the structure of the formation, the WR a bit too close, beyond the hips of the LT, causing the side judge to consider him covering up the LT.

They do say something like if a players helmet is beyond another lineman's hip then he is considered to be on the LOS.

 

[aussiedude]

Kraft got away with a hold on the edge there. felt the vikings player sold it enough for a flag

 

[LukeParkerno1]

This game will be fun, heck of a lot better than watching Tampa play horrid

 

[aussiedude]

Had him just a touch high

 

[balmainforever]

They didnt need to have 2 players go over and then a 3rd run on and look like he was going to the ref.

If its all about confusing people, you cant get mad when it confuses the wrong person.
Seems it was announced over the PA.

So no one from the lions was listening.
Everyone was still at fault still.

 

[Exe Gesis]

A ref can announce more than one non-eligible player as reporting eligible. Ive seen/heard it before from a ref...."numbers 69 and 75 are reporting eligible".

So if the ref ONLY announced 70 as eligible, even after both players reported eligible, then the ref messed up. He didnt announce it, the LT wasnt covered up by the WR, but he failed to also report him eligible, so the play was legal but the ref messed up...and/or ...the LT didnt make it clear he too was reporting eligible and so both the LT and the ref are at fault.

 

[balmainforever]

Wide open missed TD

 

[balmainforever]

So if the ref ONLY announced 70 as eligible, even after both players reported eligible, then the ref messed up. He didnt announce it, the LT wasnt covered up by the WR, but he failed to also report him eligible, so the play was legal but the ref messed up...and/or ...the LT didnt make it clear he too was reporting eligible and so both the LT and the ref are at fault.

It’s not if anymore. Audio has come that only 70 was reported as eligible.

 

[aussiedude]

A ref can announce more than one non-eligible player as reporting eligible. Ive seen/heard it before from a ref...."numbers 69 and 75 are reporting eligible".

So if the ref ONLY announced 70 as eligible, even after both players reported eligible, then the ref messed up. He didnt announce it, the LT wasnt covered up by the WR, but he failed to also report him eligible, so the play was legal but the ref messed up...and/or ...the LT didnt make it clear he too was reporting eligible and so both the LT and the ref are at fault.

Both didnt report. only one tried to. The Lions just sent both over to confuse the cowboys.

58 and 68 went to the ref while 70 was running on

 

[aussiedude]

It’s not if anymore. Audio has come that only 70 was reported as eligible.

which is funny since 70 never went up to the ref.

everyone is at fault. when you have a play about confusing people and ineligible linemen you cant get too mad when the well proven incompetent refs make a mistake.

 

[balmainforever]

Much better throw from Love.

 

[Big Unit 30]

Vikings off to a bright start

 

[Exe Gesis]

It’s not if anymore. Audio has come that only 70 was reported as eligible.

Both didnt report. only one tried to. The Lions just sent both over to confuse the cowboys.

58 and 68 went to the ref while 70 was running on

Not sure if it was this or the second one ...

..................LT..LG..C..RG..RT.....TE..........WR
.............WR............QB............RT...................
...............................RB...................................


..................LT..LG..C..RG..RT.....RT..........WR
.............WR...........QB............TE...................
..............................RB...................................

If it was the first one, the extra RT and the LT would have to report eligible if both intended to run routes.

If it was the second one, only the LT is needing to report eligible. If the RT reported eligible and then lined up in an ineligible position then he also is to blame.

The ref regardless is to blame too if the LT also reported eligible and he failed to announce it.

It also depends what story the lions are going by.....did they say who reported eligible to ref? Did they say only one or more OL reported eligible? And which ones? Or did they mess it up themselves thinking 68 would be eligible regardless and the RT reporting eligible would suffice?

 

[aussiedude]

The is nothing that scares me more than this defense with a lead.

 

[A11dAtP0w3R]

Already time to chuck Mullens in, Hall isn't going to move the ball.

 

[aussiedude]

Not sure if it was this or the second one ...

..................LT..LG..C..RG..RT.....TE..........WR
.............WR............QB............RT...................
...............................RB...................................


..................LT..LG..C..RG..RT.....RT..........WR
.............WR...........QB............TE...................
..............................RB...................................

If it was the first one, the extra RT and the LT would have to report eligible if both intended to run routes.

If it was the second one, only the LT is needing to report eligible. If the RT reported eligible and then lined up in an ineligible position then he also is to blame.

The ref regardless is to blame too if the LT also reported eligible and he failed to announce it.

It also depends what story the lions are going by.....did they say who reported eligible to ref? Did they say only one or more OL reported eligible? And which ones? Or did they mess it up themselves thinking 68 would be eligible regardless and the RT reporting eligible would suffice?

I think it was the 2nd one but the the TE was after the 2nd RT just off the ball.

 

[aussiedude]

insane how our WR room is better then last season while everyone being either a rookie or 2nd year player.

 

[Exe Gesis]

I think it was the 2nd one but the the TE was after the 2nd RT just off the ball.

It's now clear the ref only ANNOUNCED 70. But its key who the lions actually TRIED to report eligible. Did both report, but the ref erred announcing only one? Did 68 report not 70, but the ref announced the wrong one? Did 70 report only and ref did announce it correctly?

Like you said....its probably that the lions confused themselves AND the ref in trying to be so tricky. Sounds like Campbell saying he prepped them pregame he also is at fault....thinking perhaps 68 would be eligible regardless if 70 was reporting eligible only, but both still needed to be.

 

[balmainforever]

Up by 10 against a rookie QB.
Go for the FG.

 

[aussiedude]

take the points you idiot.

 

[aussiedude]

I dont hate the 4th down play, but i hate the call to go for it there.
It was a nice play design but just a count off

 

[balmainforever]

Must be a NFC north thing.
Go for it when not needing to.

Dumb

 

[aussiedude]

Not ideal to lose McDuffie with how thin we are at ILB