Preview 2023 Preliminary Final Carlton vs Brisbane Sat 23rd Sept 5.15PM @ Gabba

[Aphrodite]

TEAM IS IN …


IN: Jordan Boyd, Jack Martin

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Jack Martin

Age

29

Ht

186cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.2

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

6.3

4star

M

4.9

5star

T

3.7

5star

G

0.9

4star

D

14.9

4star

K

7.9

3star

HB

7.0

4star

M

4.3

4star

T

3.6

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

8.2

2star

K

4.6

2star

HB

3.6

3star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.0

4star

G

0.6

3star

, Harry McKay

10

Harry Mckay

Age

27

Ht

200cm

Wt

106kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.9

3star

K

7.5

3star

HB

2.4

2star

M

5.5

5star

T

1.6

4star

G

1.4

5star

D

6.6

1star

K

4.6

2star

HB

2.0

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.4

2star

G

1.4

5star

D

8.8

3star

K

6.8

3star

HB

2.0

2star

M

4.4

4star

T

0.8

3star

G

2.0

5star

OUT: David Cuningham, Brodie Kemp, Matthew Kennedy, Matthew Owies

AFL team selection: Four changes for preliminary final

Carlton has named its team for the preliminary final.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Backs:	Alex Cincotta	Jacob Weitering	Adam Saad
Half-backs:	Caleb Marchbank	Mitch McGovern	Nic Newman
Centreline:	Blake Acres	Patrick Cripps	Ollie Hollands
Half-forwards:	Tom De Koning	Harry McKay	Sam Docherty
Forwards:	Lachie Fogarty	Charlie Curnow	Jesse Motlop
Followers:	Marc Pittonet	Adam Cerra	Sam Walsh
Interchange:	Jordan Boyd	Matthew Cottrell	George Hewett
	Jack Martin
Emergencies:	David Cuningham	Brodie Kemp	Matthew Kennedy
	Matthew Owies

 

[JustaBattler]

My view is that Melbourne were really lucky to come up against Carlton without Harry and Martin in the forward line - their absences made it much harder work than it could have been. As for Sydney - our whole field structures were upside downed when Harry came off...Sydney were lucky with that injury because Carlton could easily have won that by 10 goals.

The whole team dynamics change with big Harry in combined with Martin's smarts.

I find it difficult to criticize a coach and a team that has won 11 out of its last 12 games - with a week in week-week-out patchwork of gaffer-taped players to choose from.

So yeah it boils down to who misses with Harry and Martin automatic ins - if fit. Couldnt care less who teh coaches pick to play - they will make the decision(s) and from there it is up to teh team to guts it out.

We will go in massive underdogs again for all the reasons people will quote up in 'fortress gabba'

Good.

 

[Rustica]

Really hope the club do something at IKON Park for the people who cant make the trek up to QLD

 

[carlton_99]

Really hope the club do something at IKON Park for the people who cant make the trek up to QLD

Yep this needs to happen.

 

[JuddgementDay]

One thing I’m not looking forward to is that faux tough man Zorko - he’ll be a pest and will have a go at our injured players

 

[Arr0w]

My

The conundrum in finals is the choice between choosing players who should be best 22 and are 80% fit and fully fit fringe players. I reckon in finals fitness should trump structure and then tweak your game plan to suit the players selected. You are playing with fire if you can't run out the game

Always a balance, an 80% Acres is still ahead of a fringe player

No one is tweaking a gameplan this time of the year, just tactics

This week, we get 2 players back, we improve the talent and structure

 

[teagueyubeauty]

If one was of a conspiratorial mindset, you would say the fix is in. Us getting 8 days rest and the giants 6 is plain crazy. Its a huge boost to firstly the pies, and second to us. Not that im complaining…

Both Brisbane and Sydney airports have curfews so can’t both be on Saturday but it is bizarre we aren’t playing Friday night though very happy about it


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[Sweet Seventeen]

Fogarty a little quicker, much better agility and does have those 8-7 tackle games which Kennedy isn't going to.
Kennedy a far better skilled player, far better kick, will have a bigger impact going into the middle as well.

You make a good argument. Definitely worth discussing.

My gut feeling is neither play. But it's hard as Fogarty appears entrenched in our plans.

That's funny, as my gut feeling is that both will play.

 

[Arr0w]

With both Doc and Acres carrying shoulders, if Hollands isn't in the starting 22, I would have him as a lock as the sub

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Games at the Gabba, Brisbane's kicking aside, Saints were in the game early into Q4, lost by 12.



Against the Crows (GABBA), they snuck home by 6 points:



They lost to Freo by 3 in Perth, a week earlier Gold Coast (home) smashed them.

They beat Geelong by 11 (at home), hardly convincingly:





The fortress thing is BS.

 

[ferrisb]

needs liam jones

SOS was going to be added there, but the foreman didn't believe him...

 

[The Blue Weirdo]

No other team at this stage seems to be able to match our pressure/intensity.

The gws loss is hard to gauge because it was a dead rubber match.

We beat Brizzy, then the Giants will be our next hurdle.
They are hard and composed, will tip the Pies out of the race.

 

[Gethelred]

Okay.

The last two games have been won through the strength of our defense; in fact, you could realistically say that we've won our last 7 games from back half. Our highest scores since our second victory over WC were the 93 against Collingwood and the 91 against Gold Coast, and it's rather arguable that after GC's gangbuster first term confining them to 87 points - after kicking 30 of them in the first term - is still a defensive victory.

Brisbane are built differently to the foes we've contended with in the back half of the year. They're quite methodical out of back half without being slow, and they're extremely dynamic ahead and around the ball. McCluggage is class, Neale is a fist in a velvet glove, Dunkley is excellent; you know the drill with Brisbane around the ball. Hipwood is significantly more a threat now than he was two years ago, Daniher's in good touch and Cameron/Bailey is the best small forward pairing in the comp bar none.

I'm not sure we can hold their attack. They're going to get away from us at times. We cannot rely on keeping them to sub 75 points.

I think we need to win this match from front half. We need Charlie to truly stamp his authority on this match; what we need is a bag. We need others to jump on board; they spring off half back via Andrews, Coleman, Starcevic, and via front half turnovers we stymie those precise attacking thrusts and make them more reliant on beating us around the ball. We need Tom De Koning

12

Tom De Koning

Age

25

Ht

201cm

Wt

102kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

0.5

2star

HO

1.5

4star

No current season stats available

D

8.0

2star

K

3.0

1star

HB

5.0

4star

CL

0.5

3star

HO

1.5

5star

to bring the ball to ground in front half more than he ever has; I'd consider playing Jack and having him play almost a tag on Harris Andrews

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Harris Andrews

Age

28

Ht

202cm

Wt

98kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.8

3star

K

7.4

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

5.6

5star

T

1.6

4star

MG

151.7

2star

D

17.0

4star

K

9.0

4star

HB

8.0

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.0

3star

D

9.8

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

4.8

4star

M

3.4

4star

T

1.6

4star

MG

94.0

2star

, forcing him to be accountable and telling our boys to go through him if Andrews zones off.

I don't think we'll win this game, but imagine if we did. If the lid was off before, bloody look out!

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

My

The conundrum in finals is the choice between choosing players who should be best 22 and are 80% fit and fully fit fringe players. I reckon in finals fitness should trump structure and then tweak your game plan to suit the players selected. You are playing with fire if you can't run out the game

Neither Acres nor Doc have issues that might affect their "ability to run out a game".

Who else are you talking about?

Kennedy with only 1 game under his belt? Likely straight out for Harry in any event.

Most are cherry, cherry ripe.

 

[ferrisb]

Games at the Gabba, Brisbane's kicking aside, Saints were in the game early into Q4, lost by 12.

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Against the Crows (GABBA), they snuck home by 6 points:

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They lost to Freo by 3 in Perth, a week earlier Gold Coast (home) smashed them.

They beat Geelong by 11 (at home), hardly convincingly:

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The fortress thing is BS.

I think we are a 13-point better team than the saints, 7 points better than the Crows and at least 12 points better than Geelong.

Just sayin...

 

[The Bighouse]

Really hope the club do something at IKON Park for the people who cant make the trek up to QLD

They also have the new function area there too.

But a lot staff will also be up in QLD.

 

[teagueyubeauty]

That’s a long & beautiful drive!

Enjoy and take it easy.

3 days safely.

2 days up, 2 days back, 900ks a day

Long road trip, it’s worth it but will be an epic trip home if we win!!


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[Gez1969]

We are a huge chance in this game.
We played quite poorly for large periods of Friday nights game.
Getting McKay and Martin back is massive for us.
We really missed having Big H being that option on the wing when we came out of defence. Its the one part of our game that still bugs me. We dodged that bullet and have our weapons back.

 

[rp84]

I think the only way we beat them is by making it a grind.
Monster them in the stoppages and lock it in the forward half.

There is no way we win a shoot out against them.

We smacked this team at marvel a couple years ago. Quite similar top end players, but all a bit older.

If we just start smashing in, who knows what happens.

Start well, bash some bodies, silence the crowd.

 

[Blues_1864]

Kennedy out for McKay is a no-brainer. Bam Bam came in to play as a pseudo-KPF and makes way for a proper one.

Motlop came in for Martin and showed plenty. Holds his spot. Means another forward has to make way, and I think Cunners has picked a terrible time to hit a patch of ordinary form. Hasn't been awful, but his trademark cleanliness has been missing (lots of fumbling and overrunning the ball) and he's failed to really impact. Was subbed out as well, which is about as clear an indication you'll see that the coaches felt the same way.

Only other change I'd make is to find someone to take Marchbank's spot - dependent on match-ups. Reckon that for every mark he took, he dropped an absolute soda as well. Also...yet another turnover caused by him back-pedalling away from the ball instead of coming forward to meet it, allowing an opposition intercept. Did some good work too, for sure, but Brisbane's smalls read the ball incredibly well, and feast on anything that hits the deck - I'd like to see him come out for someone with a bit more composure and intent.

Yes to Kennedy and (unfortunately) Cuningham. I don't like going in without the latter, and had wondered whether it might be Owies instead... but I don't think that's likely either. Fogarty I think we need to keep, even though he is not a viable goal-kicker outside the actual goal-square... he makes up for it in other areas of the game. His score involvements tend to be good ones i.e. they net us goals rather than points.

Marchbank: Yeah. It'd help to know which one we're going to get, week to week. But it is what it is. On one hand, he gives us some cover if Hipwood gets hold of Kemp (which he well might)... and what if Gunston plays? I don't see McGovern as part of the solution here - we'll need him for their nasty mid-sized aerialists, especially McCarthy.

Surprised Boyd is outside the 26, and I reckon we got this wrong as month ago, after Fisher was suspect against Melbourne. That was the time to give Boyd a game against the Suns... but for some reason we stuck with Fisher, and he complicated the equation by being quite serviceable. But the, he dropped off against GWS, was never going to play finals, and I'm not sure why he's in the emergencies. I simply would not pick him this week, to replace anyone in last week's 22. Whereas Boyd would be viable for either Cincotta or Marchbank, in my view. If (of course) he'd had any chance to play footy in the last 4 weeks. But in that sense, Fisher won't have played for 27 days by Saturday, either.

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Martin instead of Honey is about an immediate 5 goal upgrade!

 

[NewDarkNavyBlues]

I’m sitting in between gbatman and justabattler.

I agree that we have reverted back to a slightly more defensive game style and our surge forward through the middle has deserted us to a degree. Melbourne had control for more of the game than we did and we lack a bit of zip across all areas of the field.

However, I’ve been so proud of the defensive organisation and belief on field. Acres on a wing has been transformational. First time I’ve been proud of a Carlton team in a long time.

Heart can get you a fair way in this game but we will need more than that to get close this week. We have to be aggressive with surge football during periods of the game. I’d have Hollands as a starting winger, Docherty on ball for speed and possibly Hewett as a defensive role on Neale.

Whatever happens, I’m proud of them.

 

[Stamos]

If one was of a conspiratorial mindset, you would say the fix is in. Us getting 8 days rest and the giants 6 is plain crazy. Its a huge boost to firstly the pies, and second to us. Not that im complaining…

Hardly.
Filth finished top.
They deserve the advantage of the bigger rest going into the GF if they win, and the shorter rest to their opponent the Giants.

 

[Sweet Seventeen]

My

The conundrum in finals is the choice between choosing players who should be best 22 and are 80% fit and fully fit fringe players. I reckon in finals fitness should trump structure and then tweak your game plan to suit the players selected. You are playing with fire if you can't run out the game

This is exactly why the sub choice is critically important. Dutchy to stay sub for mine.

 

[Stamos]

Fog had 14 touches, 4 tackles, 4 clangers, 0.1 score
Kennedy 13, 3 tackles, 2 clangers, 1.2 score.
Both had 14 pressure acts
1 is a “lock” & crucial part of our success so far, the other is out as is ineffectual & failed experiment

Kennedy is an upgrade on Fog, very similar pace, Fog will give u an extra tackle, Kennedy is a much stronger mark, great set shot, stronger occasional chop out & most importantly against
Brisbane - can work a little higher & take a contested mark @ HF/Centre square & then hit a flat/hard lace out 50m pass to the open side of the ground.
With Mots, Owies, Martin, Harry & Charlie that 2 small, 2 mid, 2 tall with Owies/Kennedy/Martin all very reliable set shot & everyone brings defensive pressure (that’s a given these days- not an exclusive trait of a few players)

Talk about selective use of stats.

How about 2 goal assists each.
Score involvements Fog 7 (equal most for Carlton) to Kennedy 5.
Effective disposals Fog 9 (64%) to Kennedy 6 (46%).

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

So by next weeks game Brisbane (& Collingwood) will have played 1 game in a month

Yes, that's a very interesting point.

Makes you wonder about how (whether) they'll turn up, especially given that Saints game was a bit of a non event - despite the relatively close final margin.

We'll certainly be battle hardened.