Autopsy 2023 Rd 11 It's Groundhog Day ... again

[Bostonian]

So what has happened from a year ago where everyone is re-signing... we're all happy little vegemites?

Cliques perhaps.

 

[Del9Sep24]

I’m watching Hawthorn play atm. They would beat us easily.

Sam Mitchell gets it. His saying as a player was something along the lines of this flag is sweet but the next one is sweeter.

He is already talking openly about their next premiership even with their list where it is at. The club has clear direction of where they are going and what they are playing for.

Voss won’t even say finals.

 

[Wickzki]

It's always darkest before the dawn.

Nothing is as bad nor as good as it first seems

There are statistics for everything shallow though some may be.
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Still angry yet to see no hope is not the solution and definitely not the answer.

Today has proven a 23 (edit) game season is full of surprises.

 

[The Bighouse]

The fundamentals, your are so right. We have a dozen or so coaches and we still cannot get the fundamentals right.

e.g. take Liam Jones, with us, he was erratic, heart in mouth stuff, playing over the top. Goes to the Dogs and plays within himself, does his job, little fuss, and dare I say it, against us, he even looked "composed." The comparison was startling.

I look at McGovern as an example, but there are many. He is playing selfish. He ignores the fundamentals. He does not have his teams interests at the front of his mind. Keep the ball infront, dont let it get in behind the defense. No, igniore this, try to take a screamer. Opps' I missed it, and it is out the back. Give me a pat on the bum as I get up and they score. Jacob said he admires Hodge as a captain. Hodge would have baked him.

Mitch is a classic example of what's currently wrong with our team. They don't seem to care for each other enough, don't put that team behaviour first. Selection intergrity is where you reward what you value. We keep selecting certain players and rewarding this behaviour.

Most frustrating are his endeavours. New initials and usually referred to in-game as F.N. McGovern

 

[The Bighouse]

It's always darkest before the dawn.

Nothing is as bad nor as good as it first seems

There are statistics for everything shallow though some may be.
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Still angry yet to see no hope is not the solution and definitely not the answer.

Today has proven a 22 game season is full of surprises.

23 round season is it not (not sure if a good or bad thing)..?

 

[Brackets]

From a good source today the sentiment is that this team is a very fractured playing unit with self centred personalities present. We aren't playing like a team because behind the scenes we aren't one.

Sounds like behind closed doors we are an absolute mess of a club.

I have to say, this whole notion of 'next man up' that Voss likes to promotes, really just says to half the team 'you're back up only'.

Hearing Weitering parrot similar comments during his latest interview had me thinking, I'm not sure it's the galvanising message they seem to think it is.

 

[Gw2_James]

If we lose the next 3, we could be sitting bottom 3 heading into the bye. Big yikes.

 

[Garters]

Poor old Kennedy, the contested ball beast watching Hayward waltz into an open goal in the forward pocket as he tried to assess his newly found home as a lockdown defender.
Good in game experience. Green shoots.

It's things like this that make me think Voss is not that sharp. What part of any of Kennedy's career / pedigree to date would suggest that would be of any net benefit to the side. Out at sea this coaching group unfortunately, with a playing group that is commensurately in a dinghy not far by floating around aimlessly waiting for something to come past and rescue them.

 

[BM123]

Who knows. But we’ve got 7 more years of watching it. FMD.

Pretty insane contract all things considered.

We've thrown Cameron/Franklin money at Mckay and he's playing like Casboult 2.0 before he fixed his goal kicking.

 

[BM123]

It's things like this that make me think Voss is not that sharp. What part of any of Kennedy's career / pedigree to date would suggest that would be of any net benefit to the side. Out at sea this coaching group unfortunately, with a playing group that is commensurately in a dinghy not far by floating around aimlessly waiting for something to come past and rescue them.

The fact that it has failed to work all season but he keeps forcing it is painful for me. He even punished Kennedy for not performing as a HB by making him the sub for multiple games.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

If we lose the next 3, we could be sitting bottom 3 heading into the bye. Big yikes.

What do you mean if?

 

[Wickzki]

23 round season is it not (not sure if a good or bad thing)..?

You're right. 24 round season. 23 games and a bye due to Gather Round

 

[WalshYouLegend]

Great, we’re now in the bottom six where we seemingly belong. Just marvellous. And all with a quality list. Not sure how we did it but that’s some achievement.

 

[Just Kreuzing]

Great, we’re now in the bottom six where we seemingly belong. Just marvellous. And all with a quality list. Not sure how we did it but that’s some achievement.

Myth....

Need to free up the following contracts/players somehow to give us a chance to address our list profile & talent properly.

Williams, DeKoning, Silvagni, McGovern, Cunningham, O’Brien, Dow, Fisher, Martin, Marchbank, Ed Curnow, Plowman.

There is 12 players (30% of list) chewing up valuable salary cap who either can never get on the park, are poor in their role or are finished.

 

[TheReal99prelim]

From a good source today the sentiment is that this team is a very fractured playing unit with self centred personalities present. We aren't playing like a team because behind the scenes we aren't one.

Sounds like behind closed doors we are an absolute mess of a club.

Assuming this is true, it only confirms my belief that there is some form of toxicity there

Everyone looks at the 120 minutes on the field for a reason, but you don't need much intelligence to work out that the problems extend to the locker room

What they are exactly I don't know, but I'm very confident that selection integrity is one (of a few)
And as a corollary, I'm confident that senior players have too much say, and will demonstrate their displeasures on the field

My view (and it's obviously simplistic-but hard arsed) is that i you dont want to give your all for the momogram, and then some, in a team environment, you can spend the rest of your days rotting in the 2s, whether you're the 44th player on the list or the 1st

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Should start calling him One Arm Harry.

Not sure what happened to his other arm but I'm starting to see it less and less these days.

that was bizarre and comical - his repeated one arm efforts...

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

Let him run free! Any coach worth there salt will need to tag him,if they don’t,imagine watching Charlie floating into the forward line without an opponent! Makes there free denfesive forward accountable! Gives Harry a chance with a one on one!
Frees up Cripps Walsh etc!
Do it!!
Also Charlie can bang em long (goals) from out side 50!!


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Charlie looked like he couldn't run Friday....very heavy legged.

 

[BlueTang]

If we lose the next 3, we could be sitting bottom 3 heading into the bye. Big yikes.

I didn’t read it, but I saw Ralph has already written an article in the HS of how we can get Reid, lol. Talking high end draftees to Carlton fans mid season, they know how to get clicks! Reckon we finish 10-12th this year sadly

 

[4flagsin5yrs]

I have to say, this whole notion of 'next man up' that Voss likes to promotes, really just says to half the team 'you're back up only'.

Hearing Weitering parrot similar comments during his latest interview had me thinking, I'm not sure it's the galvanising message they seem to think it is.

Anyone who reckons Weiters is a highly intelligent type is borderline delusional.

 

[Revenant1965]

From a good source today the sentiment is that this team is a very fractured playing unit with self centred personalities present. We aren't playing like a team because behind the scenes we aren't one.

Sounds like behind closed doors we are an absolute mess of a club.

If this is true (and I am not disputing it), then it says there are many multi-layered issues. I'd suspect there are many teams that have won premierships where players themselves didn't like one another. I've worked in workplaces over the years where people really didn't get along, but those in leadership were able to cast a vision and were strong enough (or had really strong support around them) to rise above personalities.

It's also interesting looking at the current strategic plan and the placement of the word united. As an aside, it also says aim is to win premierships for AFL and AFLW by 2027. The optimist in me says yes this is still possible, but the last few weeks is speaking to the pessimist in me. Respect, united, humility, excellence, integrity, relentless - I hope they're more than just words on a page...

 

[myblueroan]

Absolutely possible with a caretaker coach.

But the club is too gutless and ego driven to put their hand up, admit a mistake and take the couple of weeks of heat that will follow.

They would rather watch the season pitter away to nothing and do the inevitable during the quiet of the off season. As long as they save face and keep the PR in tact, that’s the number one objective of the people at this club.

We might be heading towards a forced fire sale at the end of year as players will opt out of this basket case. And with the incompetence of the list management at the moment (stocker) we will not be receiving fair value and overs like a few years ago.

Oh, would you rather we see Hansen or Hamill take over til years end?
What would be the point of that?
There'll be no caretaker coach unless Voss resigns. (Don't panic that's resign...not re- sign)
Hopefully we finally get that it takes a highly talented TEAM to coach these days.

 

[__Bobcat__]

For some reason I actually like this idea, reckon Charlie would tear it up

It just make’s sense!


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[Fridge42]

If this is true (and I am not disputing it), then it says there are many multi-layered issues. I'd suspect there are many teams that have won premierships where players themselves didn't like one another. I've worked in workplaces over the years where people really didn't get along, but those in leadership were able to cast a vision and were strong enough (or had really strong support around them) to rise above personalities.

It's also interesting looking at the current strategic plan and the placement of the word united. As an aside, it also says aim is to win premierships for AFL and AFLW by 2027. The optimist in me says yes this is still possible, but the last few weeks is speaking to the pessimist in me. Respect, united, humility, excellence, integrity, relentless - I hope they're more than just words on a page...

Cripps clearly puts himself before the team each week attending every centre bounce.

McGovern is playing for his next contract.

Doc from an ex Carlton big wig checks his stats as soon as he comes from the ground. When has he ever done a lockdown job?

Motlop doesn’t chase or tackle half as hard as Durdin and has done nothing to deserve to be a walk up start every week.

Charlie and Harry have the footy IQ of Auskickers. As amazing as Charlie looked for a half he didn’t do any damage at all and then Blakey took 6 marks in the last.

The only one I want to be selfish is Saad and he seems to have lost all his Mojo and doesn’t even bother running past for a handball.

 

[Del9Sep24]

Oh, would you rather we see Hansen or Hamill take over til years end?
What would be the point of that?
There'll be no caretaker coach unless Voss resigns. (Don't panic that's resign...not re- sign)
Hopefully we finally get that it takes a highly talented TEAM to coach these days.

Yes absolutely.

Because Voss is clueless. We and the players now know this. We only see the evidence on game day imagine the evidence they have that this guy has no idea. Imagine trying to get motivated as a player when you can see all the incompetence we see and more, a lot more.

As for the disbelief about skills and goalkicking. It is a result of confidence and belief in what you’re doing. It’s all mental and it stems from incompetent coaching.

The recent attempt by the club to shift the heat to the players is a joke.

 

[AndyLucimitis]

For the field kicking I agree.

The players know how to kick - they just don’t know who to kick it to.


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