VFL 2023 - Reserves Game Day discussion Rnds 1 - 22 (Merged threads)

[Jimmae]

VFL team selection: Northern Bullants v Carlton

Carlton has named its 27-man squad for Sunday's clash at Preston City Oval.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Final squad:

4. Lochie O'Brien, 16. Jack Carroll, 17. Brodie Kemp, 26. Luke Parks, 29. Corey Durdin, 31. Tom Williamson, 33. Sam Ramsay, 36. Josh Honey, 46. Matthew Cottrell, 50. Ryley Stoddart, 51. Tom North, 52. James Parsons, 55. Toby Wooller, 57. Cody Hirst, 61. Luke Goetz, 62. Ben Crocker, 64. Cooper Stephens, 67. Jordan Boyd, 71. Stefan Radovanovic, 77. Ed Delany, 78. Joel Trudgeon, 80. Matt Shannon

At least one AFL player to come out of that squad (sub) of 26, but eventually it will be culled to 22 for game day.

Those aren't the jumper numbers FYI, so don't rely on them as a guide for the game.

 

[The Bighouse]

VFL team selection: Northern Bullants v Carlton

Carlton has named its 27-man squad for Sunday's clash at Preston City Oval.

www.carltonfc.com.au

Squad:

4. Lochie O'Brien, 16. Jack Carroll, 17. Brodie Kemp, 24. Nic Newman, 26. Luke Parks, 29. Corey Durdin, 31. Tom Williamson, 33. Sam Ramsay, 36. Josh Honey, 37. Jordan Boyd, 46. Matthew Cottrell, 50. Ryley Stoddart, 51. Tom North, 52. James Parsons, 55. Toby Wooller, 57. Cody Hirst, 60. Aaron Gundry, 61. Luke Goetz, 62. Ben Crocker, 64. Cooper Stephens, 71. Stefan Radovanovic, 74. Ben Caluzzi, 77. Ed Delany, 78. Joel Trudgeon, 79. Dale Marshall, 80. Matt Shannon

At least one AFL player to come out of that squad (sub) of 26, but eventually it will be culled to 22 for game day.

Those aren't the jumper numbers FYI, so don't rely on them as a guide for the game.

Why so on the jumper numbers, I thought the property steward would be back on deck to wash & prepare for the VFL team now?

 

[Gethelred]

Should be looking to get a percentage boost here. Bit sad to see the bullants have a percentage of 44.5 and haven't won a game, though.

 

[Jimmae]

Why so on the jumper numbers, I thought the property steward would be back on deck to wash & prepare for the VFL team now?

For instance, Crocker is 24 in the reserves team, so Newman will be registered under a different number (which you can probably dig up from when he ran out earlier this year).

 

[mediumsizered]

An opportunity to see all 3 Silvagni boys in action this weekend.
Tom will be playing for the Oakleigh Chargers on Saturday morning at 10.45am. This match will be streamed live via the Herald Sun website.
Ben will be lining up for the Northern Bullants.
Jack has been selected at CHF for our game against the Crows.

For those who followed the VFA in the late '70s/early '80s, Luke Goetz, who is making his debut for our VFL team this weekend, is the nephew of Rollo Goetz who played for Williamstown. Rollo started his senior VFA career as a promising Full Forward, but ultimately played a number of games at Full Back.

 

[GoBlues!]

Should be looking to get a percentage boost here. Bit sad to see the bullants have a percentage of 44.5 and haven't won a game, though.

Sounds like an opportunity for the younger players to show what they can do and press for senior selection... on the other hand if they can’t perform well tomorrow in the VFL we should stop thinking they’ll somehow do better in the senior side.

 

[Gethelred]

Sounds like an opportunity for the younger players to show what they can do and press for senior selection... on the other hand if they can’t perform well today in the VFL we should stop thinking they’ll somehow do better in the senior side.

You can't read too much into a single game. The younger players need to focus on building a body of work, averaging 25 disposals over time, averaging 5+ tackles a game, averaging 5++ score involvements, etc.

We're not in the situation in which a single dominant performance should get you in. These young blokes have been played in the ones often enough without truly earning it that we need to have them take the next step in terms of both level of performance and consistency of performance. Only when they cross the two minimum standards should they get promoted.

Look at Owies. Bloke works quietly away for a few years, chugging along at around 2 goals a game consistently; he comes into the AFL, and averages similar. Make SPS, Dow, O'Brien, Ramsay, Philp, Carroll work for it over time, and reap the benefits when they come into the ones.

 

[T2B_]

You can't read too much into a single game. The younger players need to focus on building a body of work, averaging 25 disposals over time, averaging 5+ tackles a game, averaging 5++ score involvements, etc.

We're not in the situation in which a single dominant performance should get you in. These young blokes have been played in the ones often enough without truly earning it that we need to have them take the next step in terms of both level of performance and consistency of performance. Only when they cross the two minimum standards should they get promoted.

Look at Owies. Bloke works quietly away for a few years, chugging along at around 2 goals a game consistently; he comes into the AFL, and averages similar. Make SPS, Dow, O'Brien, Ramsay, Philp, Carroll work for it over time, and reap the benefits when they come into the ones.

Get outta here with your common sense and logical posts, man.

 

[The Return of the Paf]

Get outta here with your common sense and logical posts, man.

Yet if we only selected players who deserved a game based on form, we'd be fielding a team to face the Crows that consisted of roughly three players.

 

[Dramoth]

Yeah, nah... I'm gonna hate this!

 

[GoBlues!]

Yet if we only selected players who deserved a game based on form, we'd be fielding a team to face the Crows that consisted of roughly three players.

Based on recent form I count about 10 - Walsh, Weiters, Saad, Stocker, Jones, Cripps, TDK, Harry, Owies, Kennedy.

What we need is the following 7 senior players to lift - Williams, Martin, Docherty, Betts, Curnow, Murphy, Newnes.

The following to keep developing - Dow, JSOS, SPS, Fogarty.

 

[gbatman]

Kemp should be played at CHF. If he goes well then he should be straight in, we need a second tall forward badly

 

[Ald Gardiner]

Should be looking to get a percentage boost here. Bit sad to see the bullants have a percentage of 44.5 and haven't won a game, though.

Sad but very very predictable. A spud set-up for years, aligning with them has set us back for years.

 

[thylacine60]

An opportunity to see all 3 Silvagni boys in action this weekend.
Tom will be playing for the Oakleigh Chargers on Saturday morning at 10.45am. This match will be streamed live via the Herald Sun website.
Ben will be lining up for the Northern Bullants.
Jack has been selected at CHF for our game against the Crows.

For those who followed the VFA in the late '70s/early '80s, Luke Goetz, who is making his debut for our VFL team this weekend, is the nephew of Rollo Goetz who played for Williamstown. Rollo started his senior VFA career as a promising Full Forward, but ultimately played a number of games at Full Back.

That's why he gets the car spot at Cramer, folks.

 

[El Topo]

You can't read too much into a single game. The younger players need to focus on building a body of work, averaging 25 disposals over time, averaging 5+ tackles a game, averaging 5++ score involvements, etc.

We're not in the situation in which a single dominant performance should get you in. These young blokes have been played in the ones often enough without truly earning it that we need to have them take the next step in terms of both level of performance and consistency of performance. Only when they cross the two minimum standards should they get promoted.

Look at Owies. Bloke works quietly away for a few years, chugging along at around 2 goals a game consistently; he comes into the AFL, and averages similar. Make SPS, Dow, O'Brien, Ramsay, Philp, Carroll work for it over time, and reap the benefits when they come into the ones.

This is all spot on, but it only works if the senior players are held to the same standard

 

[ianh]

The team list is as follows:

4. Lochie O'Brien, 16. Jack Carroll, 17. Brodie Kemp, 24. Nic Newman, 26. Luke Parks, 29. Corey Durdin, 31. Tom Williamson, 33. Sam Ramsay, 36. Josh Honey, 37. Jordan Boyd, 46. Matthew Cottrell, 50. Ryley Stoddart, 51. Tom North, 52. James Parsons, 55. Toby Wooller, 57. Cody Hirst, 60. Aaron Gundry, 61. Luke Goetz, 62. Ben Crocker, 64. Cooper Stephens, 71. Stefan Radovanovic, 74. Ben Caluzzi, 77. Ed Delany, 78. Joel Trudgeon, 79. Dale Marshall, 80. Matt Shannon

In: Ed Delany, Luke Goetz*, Aaron Gundry, Dale Marshall, Nic Newman, Luke Parks, Sam Ramsay, Joel Trudgeon* (Northern Knights)
Out: Levi Casboult (suspension), Alex Mirkov (knee), Marc Murphy (AFL selection), Sam Petrevski-Seton (AFL selection)

Supposing Josh Honey is medical sub - it could be any of the 4 emergencies but he's the one I'd like to see rewrded, then the line-up could be something like:

Josh Honey – seniors medical sub

B Nic Newman Stefan Radovanovic Ed Delany

HB Lochie O'Brien Brodie Kemp Luke Parks

C Tom Williamson Joel Trudgeon* Jordan Boyd

HF Jack Carroll Toby Wooller James Parsons

F Aaron Gundry Ben Crocker Corey Durdin

Foll Luke Goetz* Matthew Cottrell Sam Ramsay

INT from Ryley Stoddart, Tom North, Cooper Stephens, Ben Caluzzi, Dale Marshall, Matt Shannon, Cody Hirst



New names – Joel Trudgeon Northern Knights skipper an inside bull (185cm 90kg) who works hard tackles hard and uses the ball beautifully by hand. Lot to like about this kid.
Luke Goetz 201cm 97kg ex Dogs rookie who “failed to find his feet” and was let go 5 years ago with the comment:
“It was mutually agreed that the level of commitment required to be an AFL player was too difficult for Luke at this stage of his life”
Now 23yo has a mature body, might be worth looking at as a cheap option to have on the list in case of an injury plague to rucks such as we now have. Perhaps the added maturity could have solved the commitment issue? Don’t know what he has been doing in the interim – he signed at Altona then played 4 games for Essendon reserves in 2019 but I don’t know since then.

The team as structured at least has decent height back and forward and in the ruck - not a bad start, Newman gives experience and O'Brien run and hopefully precision delivery (he has the reputation as an elite user but I see way too many bad disposals from him mixed in with the good- perhaps halfback launcher works for him), Williamson and Boyd to the wings to use their wheels and disposal, Trudgeon in the middle to see if he can bully grown men like he does U18s. That bench I reckon is mighty strong for a VFL side.
Bullants squad (some familiar names)
Tom Wilson Zac Hart Jean-Luc Velissaris, Liam Mackie, Billy Murphy, Glenn Strachan, Dylan Stone, William Mitchell, Sunny Brazier, Matthew King, Tim Jones, Jack Murphy, Hisham Kerbatieh, Paul Ahern, Tynan Smith, Mutaz El Nour, Douglas Lawrence, Nathan Honey, Ben Hurley, Jack Boyd, Ben Silvagni, Harrison Kennedy, Matthew Gundry, Tom Mills, Kye Quirk, Daniel Hughes

 

[Gethelred]

Sad but very very predictable. A spud set-up for years, aligning with them has set us back for years.

... think this is a mite unfair.

This season, they went from no longer existing to competing with established clubs and AFL affiliates.

 

[Gethelred]

This is all spot on, but it only works if the senior players are held to the same standard

It doesn't work that way. From the outside looking in, it seems like inconsistency; for the players seeking to break into the ones, they are simply like any employee seeking promotion, and who need to satisfy their KPI's to get there.

And the point is, without that consistency, are they demonstrably better than the players they're replacing?

 

[RedFury]

This is all spot on, but it only works if the senior players are held to the same standard

The trouble is you can't do both unless for each under performing senior player there's a kid knocking the door down. That's just not the case for us.

Therefore, because there is such a huge gap between the two levels, its 'better the devil you know' until a kid shows they are actually ready.

 

[mjonc43]

The team list is as follows:

4. Lochie O'Brien, 16. Jack Carroll, 17. Brodie Kemp, 24. Nic Newman, 26. Luke Parks, 29. Corey Durdin, 31. Tom Williamson, 33. Sam Ramsay, 36. Josh Honey, 37. Jordan Boyd, 46. Matthew Cottrell, 50. Ryley Stoddart, 51. Tom North, 52. James Parsons, 55. Toby Wooller, 57. Cody Hirst, 60. Aaron Gundry, 61. Luke Goetz, 62. Ben Crocker, 64. Cooper Stephens, 71. Stefan Radovanovic, 74. Ben Caluzzi, 77. Ed Delany, 78. Joel Trudgeon, 79. Dale Marshall, 80. Matt Shannon

In: Ed Delany, Luke Goetz*, Aaron Gundry, Dale Marshall, Nic Newman, Luke Parks, Sam Ramsay, Joel Trudgeon* (Northern Knights)
Out: Levi Casboult (suspension), Alex Mirkov (knee), Marc Murphy (AFL selection), Sam Petrevski-Seton (AFL selection)

Supposing Josh Honey is medical sub - it could be any of the 4 emergencies but he's the one I'd like to see rewrded, then the line-up could be something like:

Josh Honey – seniors medical sub

B Nic Newman Stefan Radovanovic Ed Delany

HB Lochie O'Brien Brodie Kemp Luke Parks

C Tom Williamson Joel Trudgeon* Jordan Boyd

HF Jack Carroll Toby Wooller James Parsons

F Aaron Gundry Ben Crocker Corey Durdin

Foll Luke Goetz* Matthew Cottrell Sam Ramsay

INT from Ryley Stoddart, Tom North, Cooper Stephens, Ben Caluzzi, Dale Marshall, Matt Shannon, Cody Hirst



New names – Joel Trudgeon Northern Knights skipper an inside bull (185cm 90kg) who works hard tackles hard and uses the ball beautifully by hand. Lot to like about this kid.
Luke Goetz 201cm 97kg ex Dogs rookie who “failed to find his feet” and was let go 5 years ago with the comment:
“It was mutually agreed that the level of commitment required to be an AFL player was too difficult for Luke at this stage of his life”
Now 23yo has a mature body, might be worth looking at as a cheap option to have on the list in case of an injury plague to rucks such as we now have. Perhaps the added maturity could have solved the commitment issue? Don’t know what he has been doing in the interim – he signed at Altona then played 4 games for Essendon reserves in 2019 but I don’t know since then.

The team as structured at least has decent height back and forward and in the ruck - not a bad start, Newman gives experience and O'Brien run and hopefully precision delivery (he has the reputation as an elite user but I see way too many bad disposals from him mixed in with the good- perhaps halfback launcher works for him), Williamson and Boyd to the wings to use their wheels and disposal, Trudgeon in the middle to see if he can bully grown men like he does U18s. That bench I reckon is mighty strong for a VFL side.
Bullants squad (some familiar names)
Tom Wilson Zac Hart Jean-Luc Velissaris, Liam Mackie, Billy Murphy, Glenn Strachan, Dylan Stone, William Mitchell, Sunny Brazier, Matthew King, Tim Jones, Jack Murphy, Hisham Kerbatieh, Paul Ahern, Tynan Smith, Mutaz El Nour, Douglas Lawrence, Nathan Honey, Ben Hurley, Jack Boyd, Ben Silvagni, Harrison Kennedy, Matthew Gundry, Tom Mills, Kye Quirk, Daniel Hughes

I’ll be seriously pissed if we make Honey at medical sub.


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[thylacine60]

honey as a sub would be a great result.........

 

[branedotorg]

... think this is a mite unfair.

This season, they went from no longer existing to competing with established clubs and AFL affiliates.

It's harshly said but not untrue, they are running on an oily rag.

I think we will see a huge burst of improvement from having our young players in our own team.

 

[El Topo]

It doesn't work that way. From the outside looking in, it seems like inconsistency; for the players seeking to break into the ones, they are simply like any employee seeking promotion, and who need to satisfy their KPI's to get there.

And the point is, without that consistency, are they demonstrably better than the players they're replacing?

The trouble is you can't do both unless for each under performing senior player there's a kid knocking the door down. That's just not the case for us.

Therefore, because there is such a huge gap between the two levels, its 'better the devil you know' until a kid shows they are actually ready.

Murphy and Newnes played at the same level as their younger counterparts last week and didn't exactly demand promotion - would love the next 'VFL player watch' to shed some light on what expectations Newnes is meeting ahead of O'Brien

 

[Stamos]

Murphy and Newnes played at the same level as their younger counterparts last week and didn't exactly demand promotion - would love the next 'VFL player watch' to shed some light on what expectations Newnes is meeting ahead of O'Brien

Newnes didn’t even play. Was injury sub. Had 2 uncontested kicks, didn’t hit a target with either.

 

[El Topo]

Newnes didn’t even play. Was injury sub. Had 2 uncontested kicks, didn’t hit a target with either.

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