Autopsy 2023 Round 1 DRAW. Ugly Blues still can't close out games

[RPCB]

Seen some comments about SOS not being allowed into the Carlton rooms for JSOS 100th. Apparently he was invited but choose to sit in his car instead lol.

AFL legend snubs son’s milestone celebration: ‘Very poor form’

The Carlton great was invited into the rooms post-match, but decided to sit in his car instead.

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You know you are from a great football family when this is actually a story. I don’t think I have ever seen the media report on a players “post-game celebrations” for their 100th game before, let alone who attended. Slow news day.

 

[luke livingston seagull]

Debate about the last play aside, I thought LOB was a good sub. Gave us a real spark when he came on and helped turn things our way a bit. Also can run out a whole quarter so doesn't waste rotations.

 

[goreds]

Back line was good…

Midfield was ok, look slow…

Forward line was ordinary, except for Mots who was buzzing around. Harry and Charlie needed the run, Owies, no words. Martin needs to be closer to goal as he has the skill to make something out of nothing…

Really lacked leg speed…

 

[Beyond Blue]

I went. Had a Birds Eye view.

Thought our attack on the ball was magnificent.
Skills very rusty.
Charlie and H always outnumbered.

Backline held up incredibly well.

Onballers slightly off.

Small/medium forwards non- existent. Did not provide options. Did not provide pressure.

Hollands will play 200 games for us. As will Cowan. Both have composure and compete well.

Owies is not up to it.

Ed has a role to play but is a liability when kicking.

Fisher and Martin so disappointing.

The JSOS rucking experiment must be binned.

Pitt BOG in reserves practice match. Played the entire game. He’s ready..

INS
Durdin
Pitt

OUTS
Owies
JSOS

I agree with all that except I’d drop Martin instead of SOS - personally I don’t think either can be the players we need them to be - but we are stuck with them until the end of the season and at least SOS has a crack.

 

[Juice030103]

Young has a high ceiling for me. Feel like he’s still got things to improve on that can be fixed.

What an absolute steal he was.


A lot of the media like to bang on about our stuff ups but not many talk about the absolute steals in guys like Hewett and young

 

[katmanblue]

I was sitting on level 2 almost directly above LOB as he ran.

There was a moment a bit earlier in the run where Harry had a bit more space, I agree. But it was literally a moment, while LOB was running full tilt and being hounded, and there were still plenty of Tigers players in the vicinity. He was also 30m further back and the kick to Barry at that point has to go more centrally rather than down the line. A turnover there puts Tigers in much better position.

Carrying the ball forced Tigers deeper and, more importantly, forced the play closer to the sideline. Harry takes a grab, or has a reasonable chance of bundling it over for a throw in. It wasn’t dumb, it was a justifiable decision, right up until the point H falls over.

Truth. Comments saying H had 40m of space are delusional.

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[Coops93]

Young has a high ceiling for me. Feel like he’s still got things to improve on that can be fixed.

What an absolute steal he was.


A lot of the media like to bang on about our stuff ups but not many talk about the absolute steals in guys like Hewett and young

You could almost make the case that Hewett is our 2nd most important mid at the moment. Cripps obviously #1 but Hewetts balance of inside, outside, attack and defensive mid capabilities are irreplaceable on our list.

Young is developing well. I'd like to see a bit more mongrel and a bit more strength in the contest but in terms of his intercepting and reading the play he's been remarkable considering how we got him.

 

[Coops93]

Would suggest to you the dropoff in intent has something to do with the amount of money entering his bank account now, compared to what it was two years ago.

Mentally, that would make most professionals give a bit less

Possibly, though he was on good money at GC before here.

I just don't think he's good enough over 4 qtrs to be a full time small/mid forward. He can have impact moments or qtrs there, as we've seen a handful of times, but the Suns had his role right imo and us making him a full time forward hasn't worked for him or us.

 

[JustaBattler]

The reason why that's not a good play is suddenly the defence has to stretch up field making the rebound much easier as it leaves lots more holes in the defensive 50/half, which is exactly what happened with a loose man or 2 in the ctr square and then Lynch having a free run and jump at the ball. Had nothing to do with the argument you're referring to. The only physical play in that pack was Weiters getting blocked afaic.

If the ball isn't charged forward stretching the whole field the back line is condensed and space is occupied. Instead of defending 120m of field they're defending 60m-70m. Also with the fast movement forward means quickly getting upfield which leaves you less organised. Taking things slower everyone can be in position or man up. Frantic play leads to mistakes and gaps.

So yeah sure blame the 16 other guys on the field for being out of position, but they're only out of position because their team mate decided to sprint into attack while the rest of them were following the directive to shut down, leaving them all scrambling trying to restructure and prevent a fast counter attack when the play is supposed to be slow.

Luke Hodge talked about it after the game - how Carlton went forward is exactly what Richmond would have wanted. Speed on the ball, stretch the field, leave gaps they can take advantage of and launch a fast rebound. The only thing they perhaps would've changed is someone bodying McKay as that almost cost them, but aside from that that's exactly the play they wanted from us in that situation.

That's a lot of words you have used to ignore the fact that at the end of the day Weitering/Young AND McGovern were out marked mate.
That's a lot of words you have used to excuse 16 Carlton players for allowing the transition down the guts- -which you say they were positioned for anyway...


NOPE - I'm not scapegoating LoB (or Harry) for a team defensive and in particular a three-tall defensive brain fart fail.

but these plays followed three separate brain fart episodes from the goal line in a row - a whole bunch of Carlton players- including Docherty/Weitering/owies made a meal out of regulation control the ball 'efforts - with less than 3 minutes to go.

Just look at the replays - the choking and fumbling was pretty lame - before the Motlop to LoB hand off.

 

[Broadside]

Truth. Comments saying H had 40m of space are delusional.

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I went last night too and when you see the whole ground you get a different perspective from the TV....there were numerous instances where we had the numbers and space in front of us but somehow turned it over....collectively they're the moments that lost the game, not an extra bounce from LOB.

 

[HaydossJ]

You could almost make the case that Hewett is our 2nd most important mid at the moment. Cripps obviously #1 but Hewetts balance of inside, outside, attack and defensive mid capabilities are irreplaceable on our list.

Young is developing well. I'd like to see a bit more mongrel and a bit more strength in the contest but in terms of his intercepting and reading the play he's been remarkable considering how we got him.

100% - he is comfortably in our top 6-7 players for mine. So crucial. Cripps - Hewett - Walsh is on par with Brisbane, Melbourne and Dogs' midfields IMO.

 

[Arr0w]

Think Hewett is our best 2 way mid, followed by Cerra

 

[HereComesJuddy]

The H ending was right in front of me. Initially I was hoping LOB would bang it on his boot and hopefully hit Harry. But I actually think he made the right decision.

No Richmond player spoilt the ball coming to Harry so I fail to see why the hate for LOB. If Harry marks that ball, people would be praising the kick to him as it literally landed in his lap.

Anyways, we were lucky to get the 2 points and were outplayed for most of the contest.

 

[katmanblue]

I have read this on here but when you’re watching on TV, the camera was only on LOB. So people saying Harry had separation and on his own were at the game?

I can only go off what I am seeing on TV, which isn’t an accurate representation of what was happening in those moments tbf.

Yeah. I was on level 4. Had a great view.

Harry put the head down and ran straight past a defender. Made up 10-15m in a 90m sprint after 120min of football. Was seriously impressive for him just to get in position.

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[momma juju]

Footsteps.. I agree he has a decent leg on him and would have made the distance

Pretty sure had a shot from 55 out earlier in the game from the same end and was well short.

 

[macky99]

Lucky Young awoke from his pre-season and first quarter slumber. Would be ace if we could also have had Liam back too, those 3 would've been great together.

l don't see our defence as a issue, we need a quality mid sized forward, very one dimensional set up, Owies/Martin are not the solution, Motlop was disappointing last night, did not compete enough and fell to ground way too much.

General Ball movement was awful, way too predictable & conservative.

 

[Ald Gardiner]

Think Hewett is our best 2 way mid, followed by Cerra

Easily 3rd best mid at CFC

 

[teagueyubeauty]

How so? When O'Brien was on the wing McKay was inside 50 and a good ten metres on his opponent. O'Brien took and extra few bounces and 3 tigers closed the space on Harry. The was very clear at the ground.

Harry was way more than 10m in the clear, he was also doing Usain Bolt 200 metre time (he’s ridiculously quick for someone over 2m tall) to create space.

Just had to kick it in after the first bounce, I actually didn’t know at the time (sitting up in the bleachers in the MCC members) who it was and thought maybe because they couldn’t get around onto their right foot to execute the kick to space but now knowing it was LOB I’m bewildered why he didn’t kick it much earlier.

Maybe it was a coaching edict, and he did execute the kick perfectly when he did, but by that time Harry was surrounded and perceived pressure and the ice rink he was on fkd it up


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[JustaBattler]

Shout out to Austin - Hollands and Cowan two teenagers straight out of schoolboy football come in and handle themselves with aplomb.
Docherty's 60 meter goal - AWESOME ...just awesome...

 

[teagueyubeauty]

That’s a great assessment. Maybe this is a new gear. If we can switch between how we played against Richmond last night and how we played against Sydney last year in the second quarter, then that’s total control.

I liked that when we had a three goal run on against, we slowed the game right down, held the ball and then countered with two goals.

Bingo, loved absolutely loved that.

Last year that would have been an 8+ goal quarter to Richmond. We steadied by retaining possession and kicked the next 2.

I thought defensively we showed a lot of maturity


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[Coops93]

That's a lot of words you have used to ignore the fact that at the end of the day Weitering/Young AND McGovern were out marked mate.
That's a lot of words you have used to excuse 16 Carlton players for allowing the transition down the guts- -which you say they were positioned for anyway...


NOPE - I'm not scapegoating LoB (or Harry) for a team defensive and in particular a three-tall defensive brain fart fail.

but these plays followed three separate brain fart episodes from the goal line in a row - a whole bunch of Carlton players- including Docherty/Weitering/owies made a meal out of regulation control the ball 'efforts - with less than 3 minutes to go.

Just look at the replays - the choking and fumbling was pretty lame - before the Motlop to LoB hand off.

I think you're underestimating how attack effects defence. Weitering was blocked which took him out of the contest (which was a very good block mind you, very good team forward craft), because of the fast transition there wasn't as much density in defensive 50 meaning more space to run and jump, the other Carlton defenders weren't in position to support due to them having to defend up field and the keys that were around couldn't not fly third man up like they otherwise would - again as they had to cover their man more tightly given lack of support. McGovern did his best to get there but he was running back to the contest, not in proper loose position of sitting in the hole - again because he got stretched up field.

Transition into fast break attack when the rest of the team are trying to hang back isn't a good idea. Team defence is a thing and there's a reason teams don't go balls to the wall attack every time forward as you'll leave yourself exposed chasing and defending the whole field instead of a controlled pocket of it. Slow movement forward, at times - not always - is used as a tool to maintain your defensive structure.

I'm not making all that up tbh that's basically what Hodge was saying last night when analysing how we blew it in the last 90 seconds. But I reckon you'd know more about defensive structure, attacking transition and closing out games than Luke Hodge so yeah you're probably right.

 

[Blue_Fusion]

Back line was good…

Midfield was ok, look slow…

Forward line was ordinary, except for Mots who was buzzing around. Harry and Charlie needed the run, Owies, no words. Martin needs to be closer to goal as he has the skill to make something out of nothing…

Really lacked leg speed…

He's even better at making nothing out of something...

 

[Juice030103]

Shout out to Austin - Hollands and Cowan two teenagers straight out of schoolboy football come in and handle themselves with aplomb.
Docherty's 60 meter goal - AWESOME ...just awesome...

Docherty is literally the heart and soul of this club.


He doesn’t run from the pressure he runs straight into it. The players will eventually deal with the the key moments. Richmond were the same from 2013-15. Then eventually played in so many of those moments they figured out how to do it the right way.


Docs already there in key moments and I expect our younger players to get there too

 

[AndyLucimitis]

Footsteps, pure and simple. Thought contact was coming and it didn't. Not knocking him for that - every AFL footballer has those moments. He'll wanna come out next week and win back some trust from the group though.

It may have been footsteps but, like the cricketers some times, he looked to me like he was in two minds as to whether to take the mark on the chest or out in his hands.

Still down to pressure I guess.

 

[teddy-hopkins]

Ruck set up for us played out as being diabolical and remains a concern. But hey, it’s only round 1 and we scrapped a draw.

Our rucking went to sht in the 3rd qtr. TDK was beaten all night quite comfortably by Nank who is in the lower bracket of rucks in the league.

We need a solution but right now it looks like we're in a lot of trouble. Don't know where TDK fits and Pitto is completely unfit and no world-beater even when in the team.