News 2023 St Kilda Media Thread

[gringo2011]

He was garbage for sandy so very lucky

Hard to do much as a forward when our midfield gets monstered. He must have done something right.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Hard to do much as a forward when our midfield gets monstered. He must have done something right.

maybe one of those players who keeps his best for the big stage?

 

[g_TRAIN]

He was garbage for sandy so very lucky

Didn't think he was that bad.

Was always going to be a fluke if he managed to kick any goals given how much of a smashing Sandy copped.

 

[Mat Mann]

not a PM lapdog but why even bother responding to it, the bickering is as crap a conversation as the Longer/Hickey debate

Hard to do much as a forward when our midfield gets monstered. He must have done something right.

not getting injured will almost see you in the 23

 

[StCicatriz]

Anyone?

anyone got the article

 

[MordySaint]

‘Time to pass on the baton’: 30 years on from his own stance, Winmar praises Ugle-Hagan

Nicky Winmar has responded to the stand against racism made by young Western Bulldogs star Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, who lifted his guernsey and pointed to his skin in a tribute to Winmar’s own response to racial taunts 30 years ago at Victoria Park.

www.theage.com.au

Couldn't have any more adoration for my favourite player than I do now.

Nicky and Jamarra, the more times people like you stand up to racist behaviour the better our world will be.

 

[plugger66]

maybe one of those players who keeps his best for the big stage?

Well if that’s the case he will need more injuries to play.

 

[Yawkey way]

Brilliant article in the age by Greg Baum, couldn‘t have said it better myself.

 

[plugger66]

Brilliant article in the age by Greg Baum, couldn‘t have said it better myself.

Have you got it? What did he say? Saints are 149 year losers but the supporters will continue to support no matter what? That would be my discription of a sainter.

 

[George]

Brilliant article in the age by Greg Baum, couldn‘t have said it better myself.

One for the true believers: The unflagging Saints

The wondrous thing about St Kilda is not that they have won only one premiership in 150 years, but that fans and former players keep the faith so steadfastly.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Winmar2Lockett]

Brilliant article in the age by Greg Baum, couldn‘t have said it better myself.

Outstanding.

One for the true believers: The unflagging Saints​

Greg Baum​

March 31, 2023 — 11.47am
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St Kilda’s 150th anniversary is a celebration of a particular and perhaps unique form of saintliness.
In terms of what it’s all about, the Saints are a spectacularly unsuccessful club, with one premiership to show for their sesquicentennial labours. Hopefully their eyes were averted in round one as Geelong staff tried to work out how best to arrange four cups behind Joel Selwood on his retirement lap of honour at the MCG.

St Kilda captain Darrel Baldock (right) with the 1966 premiership cup. He had swapped jumpers with Collingwood’s Des Tuddenham.CREDIT:THE AGE
Yet St Kilda command the staunch loyalty of supporters and past players in a way that is nearly mystical. It’s not as if they have even relics to venerate. In the club’s small museum in the foyer at Moorabbin, the premiership artefacts consist of the 1966 cup, the ball and a goal umpire’s scorecard and … that’s about it.
In lieu of virtually annual premiership reunions enjoyed by, say, Hawthorn – who have two this year alone – the Saints past players host a kind of all-purpose get-together every November and in recent times have started to stage dinners by decades. This year, it’s the ’70s.

Yet still they come, and so do the fans. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet still believe. And they are a legion.
Eminent jurist Jack Rush, KC, comes from a family so steeped in Collingwood tradition that a grandstand at Victoria Park bears a great uncle’s name, but he is a lifelong Saint who for the past 10 years has sat on the club’s board.

St Kilda 1966 premiership pillars, from left: Barry Breen, coach Allan Jeans, Ian Stewart and Kevin Neale at a reunion.CREDIT:SHANEY BALCOMBE
Pondering Saintly stoicism, he says: “I look at our history and see we are a bit raffish! Maybe it’s from the old St Kilda, the Junction Oval, the bay, a different lifestyle, a bit mercurial.
“Sometimes hardship forges special bonds and a togetherness that is different, stronger than for those who have not experienced it. That is the way it is for Saints supporters.”

And always has been. In their 150 years, the Saints have rarely been a nose-to-the-winning-grindstone sort of outfit. “Two classes of men play football,” the Australasian reported in 1894. “With one, the pleasure of participating is more than sufficient recompense of defeat; the other class thinks the win is above everything else. To the first class, I think those happy, genial Saints belong.”
St Kilda lost their first 48 matches in the VFL and 99 of their first 101. One day against Geelong, they kicked 0.1, unsurprisingly still a record low. It’s a deadweight history that means that, to this day, the Saints have a better-than-breakeven record against only one other Victorian club; the Bulldogs, which they extended last week.

Coach Allan Killigrew urges St Kilda supporters on at the Junction Oval in 1956.CREDIT:ARGUS COLLECTION
But there’s always been something about them. “St Kilda fluctuated between mediocrity and abject incompetence,” a reporter wrote in 1924, “a mix which paradoxically seemed to endear them to the public.” That year, they collected one of their 27 wooden spoons.

Allan Jeans straightened up the Saints in the ’60s, at last realising that fabled premiership. It was so long ago that although Bill Cannon was at the grand final, all he really remembers was that his grandfather kept producing chocolate bars.

Tony Lockett in his St Kilda pomp.CREDIT:FAIRFAX PHOTOGRAPHIC
“We won the granny, but I don’t have any memories of the game, just eating chocolate,” he said, “and piling into the back of a VW Beetle to go to get the Sporting Globe, singing ‘Oh, when the Saints’. Cannon is from a long line of St Kilda followers. He grew up to play a senior game for the Saints and is now retired from a long career in sports media, all the while carrying a never-guttering candle for the Saints. There are many like him.
One son barracks for Geelong, after his mother, the other is a Saint. “Why?” he asks, as well he might. St Kilda’s drought is the longest in the competition again.
But despite many missteps, the Saints have almost never been threatened existentially as other clubs have. They’d pull games out of hats, sometimes whole seasons, too. This might be one.

Russell Holmesby can map it. Like his father before him, he bit his tongue through a near 20-year stretch without even a single finals appearance and did not waver. He’s St Kilda’s historian, also a past players committeeman, who has written many books on the Saints, including, as co-author, The Point Of It All on 1966, an inspired title (he also was responsible for naming The Animal Cage, a febrile area between the players’ races at Moorabbin).

‘Sometimes hardship forges special bonds and a togetherness that is different, stronger than for those who have not experienced it. That is the way it is for Saints supporters.’
St Kilda board member, Jack Rush KC

“Right through history, there’s this thread that St Kilda gets up to win games where you just don’t expect them to,” he said. “There’s always this thing that they can still get up out of nowhere. There’s always a sense that something will happen.”
Midway through last year, they beat Geelong. After that, no-one else did. Last week, with a skeleton team, St Kilda thrashed the Bulldogs.


“There’s another thing,” said Holmesby. “We’ve had stars as good as any club in the competition. There’s always been a Baldock or a Barker or a Lockett or a Riewoldt.” It’s been disproportionately true since way back when. Early in the 20th century, Dave McNamara could verifiably kick the ball 80 metres, and later, Bill Mohr topped the club’s goalkicking 12 years in a row.

Trevor Barker, another Saints superstar.CREDIT:FAIRFAX.
Tony Lockett kicked two-thirds of his league-record goal tally for St Kilda. Ian Stewart was in the AFL’s team of the 20th century, which did not have one Collingwood representative. St Kilda have won the most wooden spoons by far, but also the second most Brownlow Medals. Therein lies their distinctive characterisation. In 1986, Lockett kicked 60 goals and St Kilda won their fourth wooden spoon in a row.
“We have never lacked quality champions,” said Rush, “and St Kilda champions become cult figures.”
That’s the half of it. The other is the born cult figures. Take your bows again Ditterich, Muir, Winmar, Gehrig, even much-loved “Wow” Jones, counterculturalists for football’s Bohemia. You will add your own favourites. Whatever St Kilda have lacked, it’s not characters. There’s always been someone to watch, and isn’t that the point? You see a premiership once a year, but you watch every week. “It’s never been dull, put it that way,” said Holmesby.

So for 150 years, the Saints have bonded in their own way. “Strength through loyalty” is their oft-quoted motto. It has to be; it’s not strength growing out of rampant success. Scoring their devotion always is a kind of wry self-awareness. Other clubs put out premiership videos. In 2004, St Kilda put out one to honour a 10-match winning streak.

St Kilda’s 2023 team has lodged two unexpected wins already.CREDIT:AFL PHOTOS
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The one thing St Kilda people of all descriptions won’t accept is to be patronised. Holmesby begs to be excused for an excursion into philosophy when he says that despite what the ledger may show, permanent subjugation is not St Kilda’s lot. That’s a construct willed onto the club by a cartel of bigger clubs to fortify their own standing.
“I don’t want people saying St Kilda is the second team,” Holmesby said. “That’s bullshit. I reckon traditionally other teams have seen our place as down the bottom. That’s our destiny. But you don’t have to accept your destiny. Ditterich and Lockett didn’t.”

 

[plugger66]

Outstanding.

One for the true believers: The unflagging Saints​

Greg Baum​

March 31, 2023 — 11.47am
Save
Normal text sizeLarger text sizeVery large text size


St Kilda’s 150th anniversary is a celebration of a particular and perhaps unique form of saintliness.
In terms of what it’s all about, the Saints are a spectacularly unsuccessful club, with one premiership to show for their sesquicentennial labours. Hopefully their eyes were averted in round one as Geelong staff tried to work out how best to arrange four cups behind Joel Selwood on his retirement lap of honour at the MCG.

St Kilda captain Darrel Baldock (right) with the 1966 premiership cup. He had swapped jumpers with Collingwood’s Des Tuddenham.CREDIT:THE AGE
Yet St Kilda command the staunch loyalty of supporters and past players in a way that is nearly mystical. It’s not as if they have even relics to venerate. In the club’s small museum in the foyer at Moorabbin, the premiership artefacts consist of the 1966 cup, the ball and a goal umpire’s scorecard and … that’s about it.
In lieu of virtually annual premiership reunions enjoyed by, say, Hawthorn – who have two this year alone – the Saints past players host a kind of all-purpose get-together every November and in recent times have started to stage dinners by decades. This year, it’s the ’70s.

Yet still they come, and so do the fans. Blessed are those who have not seen and yet still believe. And they are a legion.
Eminent jurist Jack Rush, KC, comes from a family so steeped in Collingwood tradition that a grandstand at Victoria Park bears a great uncle’s name, but he is a lifelong Saint who for the past 10 years has sat on the club’s board.

St Kilda 1966 premiership pillars, from left: Barry Breen, coach Allan Jeans, Ian Stewart and Kevin Neale at a reunion.CREDIT:SHANEY BALCOMBE
Pondering Saintly stoicism, he says: “I look at our history and see we are a bit raffish! Maybe it’s from the old St Kilda, the Junction Oval, the bay, a different lifestyle, a bit mercurial.
“Sometimes hardship forges special bonds and a togetherness that is different, stronger than for those who have not experienced it. That is the way it is for Saints supporters.”

And always has been. In their 150 years, the Saints have rarely been a nose-to-the-winning-grindstone sort of outfit. “Two classes of men play football,” the Australasian reported in 1894. “With one, the pleasure of participating is more than sufficient recompense of defeat; the other class thinks the win is above everything else. To the first class, I think those happy, genial Saints belong.”
St Kilda lost their first 48 matches in the VFL and 99 of their first 101. One day against Geelong, they kicked 0.1, unsurprisingly still a record low. It’s a deadweight history that means that, to this day, the Saints have a better-than-breakeven record against only one other Victorian club; the Bulldogs, which they extended last week.

Coach Allan Killigrew urges St Kilda supporters on at the Junction Oval in 1956.CREDIT:ARGUS COLLECTION
But there’s always been something about them. “St Kilda fluctuated between mediocrity and abject incompetence,” a reporter wrote in 1924, “a mix which paradoxically seemed to endear them to the public.” That year, they collected one of their 27 wooden spoons.

Allan Jeans straightened up the Saints in the ’60s, at last realising that fabled premiership. It was so long ago that although Bill Cannon was at the grand final, all he really remembers was that his grandfather kept producing chocolate bars.

Tony Lockett in his St Kilda pomp.CREDIT:FAIRFAX PHOTOGRAPHIC
“We won the granny, but I don’t have any memories of the game, just eating chocolate,” he said, “and piling into the back of a VW Beetle to go to get the Sporting Globe, singing ‘Oh, when the Saints’. Cannon is from a long line of St Kilda followers. He grew up to play a senior game for the Saints and is now retired from a long career in sports media, all the while carrying a never-guttering candle for the Saints. There are many like him.
One son barracks for Geelong, after his mother, the other is a Saint. “Why?” he asks, as well he might. St Kilda’s drought is the longest in the competition again.
But despite many missteps, the Saints have almost never been threatened existentially as other clubs have. They’d pull games out of hats, sometimes whole seasons, too. This might be one.

Russell Holmesby can map it. Like his father before him, he bit his tongue through a near 20-year stretch without even a single finals appearance and did not waver. He’s St Kilda’s historian, also a past players committeeman, who has written many books on the Saints, including, as co-author, The Point Of It All on 1966, an inspired title (he also was responsible for naming The Animal Cage, a febrile area between the players’ races at Moorabbin).

“Right through history, there’s this thread that St Kilda gets up to win games where you just don’t expect them to,” he said. “There’s always this thing that they can still get up out of nowhere. There’s always a sense that something will happen.”
Midway through last year, they beat Geelong. After that, no-one else did. Last week, with a skeleton team, St Kilda thrashed the Bulldogs.


“There’s another thing,” said Holmesby. “We’ve had stars as good as any club in the competition. There’s always been a Baldock or a Barker or a Lockett or a Riewoldt.” It’s been disproportionately true since way back when. Early in the 20th century, Dave McNamara could verifiably kick the ball 80 metres, and later, Bill Mohr topped the club’s goalkicking 12 years in a row.

Trevor Barker, another Saints superstar.CREDIT:FAIRFAX.
Tony Lockett kicked two-thirds of his league-record goal tally for St Kilda. Ian Stewart was in the AFL’s team of the 20th century, which did not have one Collingwood representative. St Kilda have won the most wooden spoons by far, but also the second most Brownlow Medals. Therein lies their distinctive characterisation. In 1986, Lockett kicked 60 goals and St Kilda won their fourth wooden spoon in a row.
“We have never lacked quality champions,” said Rush, “and St Kilda champions become cult figures.”
That’s the half of it. The other is the born cult figures. Take your bows again Ditterich, Muir, Winmar, Gehrig, even much-loved “Wow” Jones, counterculturalists for football’s Bohemia. You will add your own favourites. Whatever St Kilda have lacked, it’s not characters. There’s always been someone to watch, and isn’t that the point? You see a premiership once a year, but you watch every week. “It’s never been dull, put it that way,” said Holmesby.

So for 150 years, the Saints have bonded in their own way. “Strength through loyalty” is their oft-quoted motto. It has to be; it’s not strength growing out of rampant success. Scoring their devotion always is a kind of wry self-awareness. Other clubs put out premiership videos. In 2004, St Kilda put out one to honour a 10-match winning streak.

St Kilda’s 2023 team has lodged two unexpected wins already.CREDIT:AFL PHOTOS
Loading
The one thing St Kilda people of all descriptions won’t accept is to be patronised. Holmesby begs to be excused for an excursion into philosophy when he says that despite what the ledger may show, permanent subjugation is not St Kilda’s lot. That’s a construct willed onto the club by a cartel of bigger clubs to fortify their own standing.
“I don’t want people saying St Kilda is the second team,” Holmesby said. “That’s bullshit. I reckon traditionally other teams have seen our place as down the bottom. That’s our destiny. But you don’t have to accept your destiny. Ditterich and Lockett didn’t.”

What would Russell Holmesby know about the saints? Great article and so true yet sad.

 

[Yawkey way]

Have you got it? What did he say? Saints are 149 year losers but the supporters will continue to support no matter what? That would be my discription of a sainter.

That’s not how I see the saints, I’ve nether felt like that.

 

[plugger66]

That’s not how I see the saints, I’ve nether felt like that.

That’s exactly how I see us. Everyone is different. Hard to argue we aren’t losers. We own nearly every bad record in the afl. The article sort of says that. And we do continue to support. No other club could expect more loyalty with our terrible record.

 

[Cairnsman]

Well if that’s the case he will need more injuries to play.

even then I think they will go with a player on crutches and a moon boot.

 

[Cairnsman]

‘Time to pass on the baton’: 30 years on from his own stance, Winmar praises Ugle-Hagan

Nicky Winmar has responded to the stand against racism made by young Western Bulldogs star Jamarra Ugle-Hagan, who lifted his guernsey and pointed to his skin in a tribute to Winmar’s own response to racial taunts 30 years ago at Victoria Park.

www.theage.com.au

Couldn't have any more adoration for my favourite player than I do now.

Nicky and Jamarra, the more times people like you stand up to racist behaviour the better our world will be.

Really love this from Nicky, I hope all the indidge boys follow Jamarra's lead and respond with the Winmar salute whenever a racist needs educating.

 

[gringo2011]

Saints Locker Auctions

Stack Commerce Auctions

saints.aflauctions.com.au

Interesting to see who the fan favourites are. Jack Sinclair

35

Jack Sinclair

Age

29

Ht

181cm

Wt

82kg

Pos.

D/M

Career

Season

Last 5

D

16.5

4star

K

8.1

3star

HB

8.4

5star

M

3.1

3star

T

3.2

5star

MG

235.0

4star

D

15.0

4star

K

10.0

4star

HB

5.0

3star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.0

3star

MG

376.0

5star

D

12.0

3star

K

4.2

2star

HB

7.8

5star

M

1.6

2star

T

2.0

4star

MG

138.2

3star

is by far the highest bid, followed by Phillipou, Steele, Gresham and Owens in that next rung down

 

[Cairnsman]

Saints Locker Auctions

Stack Commerce Auctions

saints.aflauctions.com.au

Interesting to see who the fan favourites are. Jack Sinclair is by far the highest bid, followed by Phillipou, Steele, Gresham and Owens in that next rung down

Imagine if they auctioned a Cairnsman designed shirt modelled and signed by Sincs, the ladies would throw their knickers on the field whenever the mullet strutted past.

 

[Plugger35]

Saints Locker Auctions

Stack Commerce Auctions

saints.aflauctions.com.au

Interesting to see who the fan favourites are. Jack Sinclair is by far the highest bid, followed by Phillipou, Steele, Gresham and Owens in that next rung down

As much as I like Sinclair I don't know if I'd be prepared to part with a grand for his jumper, I might bid on Cordy's instead, could get that for a tenner.

 

[plugger66]

Saints Locker Auctions

Stack Commerce Auctions

saints.aflauctions.com.au

Interesting to see who the fan favourites are. Jack Sinclair is by far the highest bid, followed by Phillipou, Steele, Gresham and Owens in that next rung down

Just out of interest do you and others do memorabilia? I’ve never got into it. I have a plugger jumper bought at an Ormond auction. I’d say it’s more my jumper than his unless he was recruited as a 12 year old. I have saints card collection framed given by my ex girlfriend. I have a 2013 framed signed jumper I found at Ormond in the basement and I have a photo of Lenny given to him by the cheer squad after he played 150 games. He gave to my ex wife to take home and never asked for it. So 4 things. One I paid for and it’s not even the right jumper. Never got into that stuff. The best thing I have is a photo of warney and my daughter and Lenny jumping on our trampoline with my daughter when she was about 6.

 

[my name was taken]

Unlucky breaks and raising the steaks: New Saint's wild ride to the top

From a steak restaurant in Melbourne's inner east to the toast of St Kilda, Anthony Caminiti re-traces his rise to AFL level

www.afl.com.au

Good read on Caminiti. Now I am far from a big shot lawyer man but this doesnt sound legal? maybe it is but lol all worked out in the end

"SOS was sitting there and said, 'Can you sign this?' I was like, 'What is it?' I think he was making up some BS about SSP (pre-season supplementary period) compliance. I checked with Tommy. He knew what they were doing. He said it was all good. It turns out that was the contract. I went through the whole day not thinking about it and then it was announced in a meeting later.


I had no clue; I was completely oblivious to what was happening; I thought it was part of the SSP process

 

[plugger66]

As much as I like Sinclair I don't know if I'd be prepared to part with a grand for his jumper, I might bid on Cordy's instead, could get that for a tenner.

And more material so value for money. I wouldn’t buy bett Bowey or Gotchy’s jumper.

 

[Plugger35]

And more material so value for money. I wouldn’t buy bett Bowey or Gotchy’s jumper.

Yeah I wouldn't fit into their jumpers or Sinclair's either, Cordy's jumper would be a better fit for me.

 

[gringo2011]

Just out of interest do you and others do memorabilia? I’ve never got into it. I have a plugger jumper bought at an Ormond auction. I’d say it’s more my jumper than his unless he was recruited as a 12 year old. I have saints card collection framed given by my ex girlfriend. I have a 2013 framed signed jumper I found at Ormond in the basement and I have a photo of Lenny given to him by the cheer squad after he played 150 games. He gave to my ex wife to take home and never asked for it. So 4 things. One I paid for and it’s not even the right jumper. Never got into that stuff. The best thing I have is a photo of warney and my daughter and Lenny jumping on our trampoline with my daughter when she was about 6.

I'm not a memorabilia guy at all. I sold my 1997 wooly Toohey's jumper with Winmar's signature to someone on here that wanted a long sleeve. It was the one I had when I was young. My son has a few old jumpers that he got signed when he was a kid. One is Stuv's match worn jumper that he got Spencer White to sign when he was a little tacker. Probably devalued it by 90%. They used to sell them for $30 or something at the season launches.

 

[Cairnsman]

Just out of interest do you and others do memorabilia? I’ve never got into it. I have a plugger jumper bought at an Ormond auction. I’d say it’s more my jumper than his unless he was recruited as a 12 year old. I have saints card collection framed given by my ex girlfriend. I have a 2013 framed signed jumper I found at Ormond in the basement and I have a photo of Lenny given to him by the cheer squad after he played 150 games. He gave to my ex wife to take home and never asked for it. So 4 things. One I paid for and it’s not even the right jumper. Never got into that stuff. The best thing I have is a photo of warney and my daughter and Lenny jumping on our trampoline with my daughter when she was about 6.

My prized possession is an original 66 memorabilia item in the form of a timber plaque with an oval on it and the premiership players located with engraved silver badges and the score. It used to hang on the wall up in the old Halos room and I've had it since the last game at Moorabbin.