News 2023 St Kilda Media Thread

[DougalHoward]

MISSING ROSS LYON

Stocker’s coach at the Saints is Ross Lyon. In 2021 Sayers said on radio he spoke to Lyon for 45 minutes when coach David Teague was sacked. It was more like four hours and Lyon was considered a shoe-in for the job.

But when Lyon was told he must submit to the process he walked — and was successfully headhunted by the Saints last year. Mathieson hinted at a process gone wrong.

“Ross (Lyon) wanted to come to Carlton and we had him,” he said.

“But because of one silly person on the board it didn’t happen. And if that person becomes president, well that will be the end of my association with Carlton, I can tell you that.

“That will be it. I can’t be bothered anymore.”

It ultimately became a choice between Adam Kingsley and Michael Voss, the man who was also interviewed in 2019 but missed out to caretaker David Teague.

Which board member?

 

[Mowman]

Which board member?

 

[George]

Which board member?

Craig Mathieson

 

[George]

Sorry the suns been out.

Would put one of my houses on it being Greg Williams

 

[Mowman]

Sorry the suns been out.

Put a hat on

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Put a hat on

Don’t know why he’s so hesitant to protect himself, I reckon bucket hats suit him!

 

[George]

Don’t know why he’s so hesitant to protect himself, I reckon bucket hats suit him!

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Trying to fight back after being absolutely demolished and embarrassed on the forums the past few days.

So cute xoxox

 

[Paddy2014]

Pretty sure it was Patty Kinnersley their VP from memory. Worked in the domestic violence sector. Could be wrong though...

 

[Dard Ball Get]

Trying to fight back after being absolutely demolished and embarrassed on the forums the past few days.

So cute xoxox

Oh? Must’ve missed that, I’ve been on a yacht you see

 

[George]

Oh? Must’ve missed that, I’ve been on a yacht you see

Yeah, off your ring hole or something apparently

 

[PoppedCorn]

Don’t know why he’s so hesitant to protect himself, I reckon bucket hats suit him!

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Thought he was eating a cornetto
Zoomed in and it was a sausage finger

 

[Pakenhamsaint]

Put a hat on

And look like some wierdo on a Frankston train?

 

[ScrappyDo]

Pretty sure it was Patty Kinnersley their VP from memory. Worked in the domestic violence sector. Could be wrong though...

Not wrong. There was an article not long ago naming said person.

 

[gubby88]

On SM-G960F using BigFooty.com mobile app

 

[SaintersFan]

G'day Gringo

Firstly, G'day to you all too.
This is my first post (I think), but I have visited the BF Saints Forum for a few years. Long time Saints Fan and STKFC Member.

To answer your question, I have found a couple of articles from the 1950s papers that refer to Bill Gleeson and Brian Gleeson being cousins.

Click and have a read of the attached 16 June 1954 'Argus' article on St.Kilda News.

The attached article carries some weight, but I wouldn't accept it as fact until the connection is verified.

Let's Go Sainters!

Does anyone know if Brian and Bill Gleeson were related?

 

[gringo2011]

G'day Gringo

Firstly, G'day to you all too.
This is my first post (I think), but I have visited the BF Saints Forum for a few years. Long time Saints Fan and STKFC Member.

To answer your question, I have found a couple of articles from the 1950s papers that refer to Bill Gleeson and Brian Gleeson being cousins.

Click and have a read of the attached 16 June 1954 'Argus' article on St.Kilda News.

The attached article carries some weight, but I wouldn't accept it as fact until the connection is verified.

Let's Go Sainters!

Thanks for that. Very kind of you to follow that up.

One of the kids at my kid's primary school was a grandkid of Brian and I heard the story of how a knee in those days cost your career. He sounded like he was on track to be one of the club greats before the knee. Won a Brownlow, captain of the Saints, did a knee at 22 and never payed again. That's absolutely brutal.

It looks like it could be legit just circumstantially. Having two with the double "e" spelling around the same time is pretty unusual.

 

[SaintersFan]

Thanks for that. Very kind of you to follow that up.

One of the kids at my kid's primary school was a grandkid of Brian and I heard the story of how a knee in those days cost your career. He sounded like he was on track to be one of the club greats before the knee. Won a Brownlow, captain of the Saints, did a knee at 22 and never payed again. That's absolutely brutal.

Thanks for that. Very kind of you to follow that up.

One of the kids at my kid's primary school was a grandkid of Brian and I heard the story of how a knee in those days cost your career. He sounded like he was on track to be one of the club greats before the knee. Won a Brownlow, captain of the Saints, did a knee at 22 and never payed again. That's absolutely brutal.

It looks like it could be legit just circumstantially. Having two with the double "e" spelling around the same time is pretty unusual.

It looks like it could be legit just circumstantially. Having two with the double "e" spelling around the same time is pretty unusual.

That's a great connection with the boy from your son's school. Knee injuries were career ending even up until the 80s, at least I reckon.

Yep, it is very likely they are related. The term cousin was sometimes used for second cousins, etc too back then.

I'd actually done some research a few weeks back and had the article ready to use a a suitable time.

Your question was the one I was hoping to see

I'll look more in to connection when I have time and post the result.

Thank you all for the badges and likes everyone too. They are very much appreciated.

 

[Joffaboy]

Not exactly St.Kilda Media but an interesting read, does feature Adam Schnieder and Ben McGlynn

Ben Mcglynn

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4.6

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4.0

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1.1

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No current season stats available

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though.

‘I don’t miss it one bit’: Why the AFL is losing one of its best resources

Coaches are not happy and some have decided that despite club support and a love for the job, there are better options outside the AFL.

www.theage.com.au

 

[Nutsngum]

Not exactly St.Kilda Media but an interesting read, does feature Adam Schnieder and Ben McGlynn though.

‘I don’t miss it one bit’: Why the AFL is losing one of its best resources

Coaches are not happy and some have decided that despite club support and a love for the job, there are better options outside the AFL.

www.theage.com.au

Went to paywall but managed to copy the text below. Interesting article, goes to show the AFL is genuinely disconnected from a lot of the facets of the game.


Coaching in the AFL is becoming an unappealing career choice for many. Fewer resources, higher workloads, little career progression and stagnant wages have become the norm within football departments since COVID-19.

That’s a familiar tale for many industries, so assistant coaches don’t want sympathy – they also saw many people lose their jobs forever. But right now, the AFL has become a multi-tier economy that strikes them as unfair.
Adam Schneider coached at the Giants from 2017-2021 but football department cap cuts made him realise he was going backwards.

Adam Schneider coached at the Giants from 2017-2021 but football department cap cuts made him realise he was going backwards.Credit: AFL Photos

On one level are 180 or so coaches living under a soft cap that means most are stuck in the same spot they were when COVID-19 cuts impacted the whole industry.

On other levels are AFL executives, administrators and players who have bounced back to enjoy the post-pandemic spoils that have prompted AFL CEO Gillon McLachlan to extol the game’s financial health.

In 2022, AFL executives took home $11.8 million, compared to $10.4 million pre-COVID. Meanwhile, football department caps will sit at $6.95 million per club in 2023, down from $9.2 million pre-COVID. Disappointed clubs were told last Tuesday to expect only a $250,000 increase next year.

This came just weeks after the successful Gather Round, which meant for each coach an extra game, as well as presentations to business or coaching groups, clinics and development sessions. They saw money head off to other sectors, including players, but did not feel their own pockets gain any weight.
Brisbane’s Chris Fagan and Sydney’s John Longmire are football lifers who have watched the regard for coaches fall.

Brisbane’s Chris Fagan and Sydney’s John Longmire are football lifers who have watched the regard for coaches fall.Credit: Phil Hillyard

While many in this cohort, who are most responsible for the footballing and emotional development of players – the game’s biggest asset – are seething in silence, other good operators with coaching experience are reluctantly stepping out of the industry because the opportunities outside the AFL are much more attractive than wearing a club polo all weekend.

At the end of 2021, premiership Swan Adam Schneider decided he was better off being out of the AFL system than continuing as an assistant coach with GWS, where he had worked since 2017 after a 228-game career with Sydney and St Kilda.

Schneider, who was living in Sydney with a young family, watched as assistant coach wages dropped by 37 per cent while their workloads increased due to cuts to the football department soft cap. He took that on the chin as easily as he did when playing, but then as the world emerged from its COVID hiatus, he reassessed.

“We were sort of going backwards,” Schneider said.

“I loved coaching, really loved it and had to make a family decision. [I was] frustrated. The rules that came in with the soft cap really hurt and obviously your workload had to double too because we lost some important people to the business too.”

Schneider headed back to Lavington in country NSW, near where he grew up in Osborne, found a job with AgBoss, a farm product specialist, coached the local team in the Ovens and Murray League, helped out where needed with the Giants’ academy and, as a result, could not be happier.

He recognised that he would be better off outside the AFL because of the structural shifts in the industry that coaches interpret as an indication that the league does not value their role.

An AFL Coaches Association survey in 2022 revealed that the percentage of coaches – senior, assistants and development – who felt respected by the AFL had dropped from 70 per cent in 2019 to 19 per cent in 2022.

Similar falls were recorded when coaches were asked about work-life balance (60-26) and their capacity to sustain their current workload (70-33).

Discussions with multiple AFL coaches revealed significant dissatisfaction with how the AFL have treated football departments post-COVID.

They accepted the initial cut in the soft cap. But many, who commented off the record because they weren’t authorised to speak publicly, have watched with increasing anger as the rest of the football industry rebounded to pre-pandemic incomes while football departments were stuck in the back 50, hanging on. Many recruiters express the same disappointment as the coaching fraternity.

From $9.6 million in 2019 to $6.2 million during COVID, the soft cap was bumped up to $6.95 million and in 2024, the cap will sit at $7.2 million. Clubs can also claim exemptions by employing wellbeing professionals or Indigenous support staff while a minimum medical spend is compulsory. Spending on welfare can sit outside the cap too, stretching from $500,000 to more than $1.5 million.

Contracts have been tightened, too, so payouts are limited to between three and six months. Just 8 per cent of assistant coaches and 3 per cent of development coaches are eligible for a full payout if moved on before their contract ends. In an increasingly volatile profession, few safeguards exist.

Unless something shifts, the coaches might need the wellbeing programs as much as the players because the happiest people in the coaching profession seem to be ex-assistant coaches who left the AFL behind.

“I don’t miss it one bit,” said an ex-assistant coach, who now works in business and preferred to remain anonymous.

He is earning twice as much now as he did in the AFL, sees his family more and doesn’t have to deal with football being part of every social interaction. In fact, when he was an assistant, he rarely made it to an occasion during winter that wasn’t club-related.

His earning potential now is not capped either, with his effort and smarts rewarded.

That’s not the case for many assistant coaches who are often left sitting at the kitchen table on their rare days off, coding previous games or doing opposition analysis.
Ben McGlynn is no longer an assistant coach in the AFL system.

Ben McGlynn is no longer an assistant coach in the AFL system.Credit: AFL Photos

Soon after Ben McGlynn resigned from being an assistant coach after six years with St Kilda and a long playing career with Hawthorn and Sydney, he received a phone call from Daniel O’Keefe.

O’Keefe was at his dream job at Carlton, combining the posts of development and VFL coach. He loved the players and the people he worked with, but he wanted to pick McGlynn’s brains.

With a year left on his contract, O’Keefe was contemplating stepping out of the AFL despite having worked so hard to get there.

His 30-minute chat with McGlynn crystallised his thinking that it was not possible to meet the demands of his job while raising a young family.

“I was a young coach who sacrificed a lot to get there … everything could not have been more perfect, the club, the people there, the success that is hopefully about to come, everything was incredibly amazing. I had a year left on my contract, and I still couldn’t stay there,” O’Keefe said.

Both McGlynn and O’Keefe are full of praise for their respective clubs. They emphasise the fact they could not have done any more to support them.
Daniel O’Keefe during his time as Carlton’s VFL coach.

Daniel O’Keefe during his time as Carlton’s VFL coach.Credit: AFL Photos

O’Keefe, who landed a job with Warrnambool Football Club where he coaches, still hopes that when his children are older, he might get another chance to return to the AFL, such is his passion for coaching.

But right now, having shown his work ethic while working as a sales manager at News Corp while coaching the Geelong Falcons to chase his dream, he has had to step back from the VFL/development coaching job.

“There is no way around the demand for what that role needs from you regardless of how amazing the footy club is in trying to help you and support you,” O’Keefe said.

“[It’s] just that the demand of that role means you are needed in the morning, during the day and at night.”

It’s made the once-attractive thought of entering the AFL as an assistant coach post-playing much less appealing for former stars. If nothing shifts to change that perception, it will be the industry and the players who suffer.

“I let the Saints know [my decision] was nothing to do with the people inside the football club or the players,” McGlynn said. “It was probably more what the industry was doing to my family.

He returned to Mildura where he became head coach at the Footy Star Academy, teaching juniors.

“We couldn’t be happier with our decision,” McGlynn said.

The AFL Coaches Association obviously wants the soft cap to increase, so more resources can be found to support the experienced assistants and assist their development.

They are also pushing for a transition or retirement fund, a marketing allowance that would enable those coaches with commercial appeal to increase their income and a shift in thinking around termination clauses to give clubs reason to pause before making mass changes.

They know the AFL trades on the commitment of coaches to the profession and the inherent satisfaction they derive from seeing young men and women, many who share dinner tables with their families, grow into good footballers and mature people. They also enjoy being part of an elite competition that tests their mettle and gives them an adrenalin rush available to few other professions.

The AFL, which acted when spending was out of control and inflationary, and now views the measure as assisting competitive balance, did not want to comment on the reasons behind the ongoing need to keep the cap tight.
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But the coaches don’t like being treated like mugs. And that, right now, is how those who expressed their feelings off the record to this masthead believe they are being treated. If more resources were allocated to support their jobs and creative ideas that challenged conventional thinking on what their roles might become were backed, the profession could regain its appeal.

Coaches’ association CEO Alastair Nicholson says taking assistant coaches for granted is dangerous for the industry. They are, after all, critical developers of playing lists in which each club invests $13 million, remembering that football performance the key driver of club revenue.

“Everyone jumped in the rescue boat when needed [during COVID]. The others have rowed away from that, but the coaching profession has been left behind,” Nicholson said.

“It is important for the game. We want the good ones staying in as long as they can and becoming good senior coaches.”

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[Saints TV]

All the latest Saints news of the last week (sadly including a Crows masterclass)

Crows smack us

VFL boys stand up and impress

David Wheadon joins club

Round 10 bounce back needed

https://youtu.be/KiLM7CG5dic

 

[Mowman]

ST KILDA​

St Kilda has only two trades involving a top-10 pick in the past decade, and both of them are complicated.

In 2019 they gave up pick 10, Blake Acres

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Blake Acres

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29

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193cm

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92kg

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Mid

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D

17.5

4star

K

8.9

3star

HB

8.6

5star

M

3.7

4star

T

3.2

5star

CL

1.9

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

5.0

2star

HB

7.7

4star

M

4.0

4star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.0

3star

D

8.2

2star

K

3.8

2star

HB

4.4

4star

M

1.2

2star

T

2.4

4star

CL

1.8

4star

and three more picks to get Brad Hill and a 2020 third-rounder.

They paid Hill a bucketload of cash and while he is playing very well this year, players available in that 2019 draft with that pick (which shuffled back to 12) included Kozzie Pickett (taken at pick 12), Will Day, Miles Bergman and Cody Weightman

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Cody Weightman

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23

Ht

179cm

Wt

75kg

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Fwd

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6.5

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

2.5

2star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.0

3star

G

1.0

4star

D

6.5

1star

K

4.0

1star

HB

2.5

2star

M

2.0

2star

T

1.0

2star

G

1.0

4star

D

6.5

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

2.5

3star

M

2.0

3star

T

1.0

3star

G

1.0

4star

.

In 2015 they gave up pick 5 for key back Jake Carlisle, who immediately found himself in a white powder controversy.

He played 66 games at St Kilda but more to the point the Saints also secured pick 14 from Essendon and used it on Jade Gresham

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Jade Gresham

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27

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177cm

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81kg

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17.4

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10.2

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7.2

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M

3.2

3star

T

2.7

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

17.5

4star

K

10.8

4star

HB

6.8

4star

M

2.1

2star

T

2.0

3star

G

0.5

4star

D

11.8

3star

K

6.0

3star

HB

5.8

4star

M

2.6

3star

T

3.4

5star

G

0.4

3star

, who is still going strong.

RATING: The Gresham-Carlisle trade is a win (especially given Essendon used that pick on Aaron Francis) but St Kilda paid too much for Hill from a picks and salary perspective.

Brad Hill is enjoying a return to form under Ross Lyon. Picture: Albert Perez/Getty Images

 

[FootyMaster11]

ST KILDA​

St Kilda has only two trades involving a top-10 pick in the past decade, and both of them are complicated.

In 2019 they gave up pick 10, Blake Acres and three more picks to get Brad Hill and a 2020 third-rounder.

They paid Hill a bucketload of cash and while he is playing very well this year, players available in that 2019 draft with that pick (which shuffled back to 12) included Kozzie Pickett (taken at pick 12), Will Day, Miles Bergman and Cody Weightman.

In 2015 they gave up pick 5 for key back Jake Carlisle, who immediately found himself in a white powder controversy.

He played 66 games at St Kilda but more to the point the Saints also secured pick 14 from Essendon and used it on Jade Gresham, who is still going strong.

RATING: The Gresham-Carlisle trade is a win (especially given Essendon used that pick on Aaron Francis) but St Kilda paid too much for Hill from a picks and salary perspective.

Brad Hill is enjoying a return to form under Ross Lyon. Picture: Albert Perez/Getty Images

Technically it isn't even correct, we had more as a result of the Brad Hill Trade,

Whilst the end result was Brad Hill for 10 + change. more trades were done

we initially traded pick 6 and pick 59 for picks 12, 18, 76 and 82. On that basis alone (pick 6 being Fisher Mckasay pick 12 being Pickett and pick 18 being Georgidaes, can be argued that if we stuck with those picks instead of then trading them would have gone down as one of the best trades in a while

On the flip side, we then traded 12 18 and a future third to Port for Pick 10, Ryder, Howard and a future 4th. Even this trade can be seen as at least a decent outcome for both parties.

Finally, it was then the pick 10 that was traded plus Acres, 58, future 2nd and future 4th for Hill and future 3rd, which in isolation was probably not the greatest outcome, but Hill still has time to impact and help push us up the ladder

 

[Joffaboy]

ST KILDA​

St Kilda has only two trades involving a top-10 pick in the past decade, and both of them are complicated.

In 2019 they gave up pick 10, Blake Acres and three more picks to get Brad Hill and a 2020 third-rounder.

They paid Hill a bucketload of cash and while he is playing very well this year, players available in that 2019 draft with that pick (which shuffled back to 12) included Kozzie Pickett (taken at pick 12), Will Day, Miles Bergman and Cody Weightman.

In 2015 they gave up pick 5 for key back Jake Carlisle, who immediately found himself in a white powder controversy.

He played 66 games at St Kilda but more to the point the Saints also secured pick 14 from Essendon and used it on Jade Gresham, who is still going strong.

RATING: The Gresham-Carlisle trade is a win (especially given Essendon used that pick on Aaron Francis) but St Kilda paid too much for Hill from a picks and salary perspective.

Brad Hill is enjoying a return to form under Ross Lyon. Picture: Albert Perez/Getty Images

Picks maybe, but it is in isolation, which is difficult to completely untangle as we got
Ryder - win
Howard - well I think he is a good ordinary player
Jones - injury bust
Butler - better this year but cold as since 2020

Money on Hill isn't as much as reported (as you know) and we had a complete shitload of SC, and use it or lose it (95% rule). Can debate if we should have spent it on someone else (can't say who), but he wasn't overpaid.

Had a shocker yesterday, but has been good all year.

 

[hayes]

Ryder was a star but ultimately it was all for nothing. One finals win and we’re in the exact same position we were in before he got here, only difference is Marshall’s development was pushed back.

 

[Diehard Saint]

Ryder was a star but ultimately it was all for nothing. One finals win and we’re in the exact same position we were in before he got here, only difference is Marshall’s development was pushed back.

Loved Paddy, but he was a sugar hit. Pity we didn’t have him a few years before.
Roma has other positives but is just not the tap ruckman Paddy was. Sometimes I think Mitch directs his hit outs better than Roma does.